Can Mancini manage?

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That was some serious sports entertainment!

Joey Barton shouldn't be allowed on a football pitch again but how many times has that been said before.

I agree, he's not got any self control.

 

[matt seymour]

That was the best finish to a season I can ever remember.

Absolutely brilliant entertainment.

Well done City, you deserve it.

 

[matt seymour]

That was some serious sports entertainment!

Joey Barton shouldn't be allowed on a football pitch again but how many times has that been said before.

Even for Joey Barton, his behaviour today beggared belief!

His team was fighting for its premiership life and he goes and does that. If I was Mark Hughes I'd have him on the transfer list first thing in the morning.

What a total moron.

 

[hmmm]

wow...........

 

[hmmm]

well some have there wish come true.king kenny is gone

 

[Esk247]

well some have there wish come true.king kenny is gone

Villas-Boas next?

Don't know how he'd get on. He was undermined at Chelski and in the media.

Dalglish had a full season to do something and he didn't. Failed miserably. People always had a pop at Benitez but he managed to win the Champions League, the FA Cup and finish second in the league. Dalglish just only won the weakest competition and his side were barely any better than Fulham.

 

[matt seymour]

well some have there wish come true.king kenny is gone

Can't say I am surprised in the slightest.

Let's be honest, he spent an absolute fortune on some very mediocre players and achieved your lowest league points total for 50 years. Liverpool were 17 points of a top four spot and more than 30 off the top. I wouldn't be happy with that return if I had given him £120 million to spend either.

The likes of Man Utd and Man City are starting to pull well away from the rest and while they are setting new standards, Liverpool are going backwards. Dalglish was never the right man to compete with them.

 

[Cpleus]

Your comments are very appreciated

 

[captaincloser]

Villas-Boas next?

Don't know how he'd get on. He was undermined at Chelski and in the media.

Dalglish had a full season to do something and he didn't. Failed miserably. People always had a pop at Benitez but he managed to win the Champions League, the FA Cup and finish second in the league. Dalglish just only won the weakest competition and his side were barely any better than Fulham.

Oi...there is at least one Fulham supporter on here. Far more fun has been had at Craven cottage in the past couple of years than in Liverpool I will wager.

Fulham had a good season...and really football is not about clubs anymore it's about bank balances and has been for years. Just nobody thought to tell the fans...
King Kenny was like King Ken (Livingstone) in politics going in for London mayor again. Yesterdays' men should really know when to call it a day.Dalglish looked uncomfortable almost all the time...and he did himself no favours in some of his ill judged comments and support for a couple of his players.

 

[matt seymour]

Oi...there is at least one Fulham supporter on here. Far more fun has been had at Craven cottage in the past couple of years than in Liverpool I will wager.

Fulham had a good season...and really football is not about clubs anymore it's about bank balances and has been for years. Just nobody thought to tell the fans...
King Kenny was like King Ken (Livingstone) in politics going in for London mayor again. Yesterdays' men should really know when to call it a day.Dalglish looked uncomfortable almost all the time...and he did himself no favours in some of his ill judged comments and support for a couple of his players.

Before the Liverpool v Fulham game at Anfield a few weeks back, I looked at the two team line ups and genuinely thought that the Fulham side was better on paper than Liverpool's.

This is without doubt the worst Liverpool team I can ever remember and Dalglish spent a small fortune on it. That kind of says it all about him really. If my club's manager spent £35 million on Andy Carroll I'd be furious I can tell you! Downing has been shocking and the same can be said of practically all of his signings. I can't believe that a guy building a team that is looking for a top four finish thinks people like Charlie Adam and Andy Carroll are the kind of players to get them there.

It's not so long ago that Liverpool had Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen up front. Compare that to the utter rubbish they have now and it's not difficult to see why they have had their worst league season for 50 years.

 

[hmmm]

both those players are in the england squad

 

[matt seymour]

both those players are in the england squad

Yep, and most people have no idea why, including Liverpool fans!

If Hodgson wanted to take a big striker he should have gone with Crouch who actually scores goals (especially for England) instead of some idiot with a ponytail who seems to do precious little other than endlessly flick long balls on to nobody.

Downing, absolutely bewildering. He has had an awful season.

Still, I very much doubt either of them will start any matches in the euros... well, I certainly hope they don't.

 

[hmmm]

all those that compare liverpool of old to the liverpool of now are living in the past, no liverpool fan is living in the past as its been way to long since we won the league.but we have won cups .only man u and chelsea have won more trophies than us since 2000.that makes us the third most successful team in england. stats stats. if you cant win the league and 4th is out of reach then the league becomes unimportant once european qualification has been secured . regardless of points.if at the start of the season you had been told you would make europe but not champions league plus 2 cup finals winning 1 nearly every team would be happy with that.yes we want to be higher but as only 4 teams can make champions league maybe 3 this year,and only 1 can win the premiership to do what we have is a good season...chairman in football are retarded that expect to much just because of a name very quickly.its not about dalglish or hodgson or benitez .its loony chairman . the club take hodgson on and give him no time then low and behold hes england manager. the guys are clueless.

 

[hmmm]

i have to admit downing is a surprise. to me it shows he needs wingers and i get the feeling with chamberlin and walcott also in the team carroll will be playing the first 2 games.

 

[matt seymour]

i have to admit downing is a surprise. to me it shows he needs wingers and i get the feeling with chamberlin and walcott also in the team carroll will be playing the first 2 games.

Looking at the squad, I have a horrible feeling we will be playng 4-4-2.

 

[hmmm]

 

[hmmm]

Looking at the squad, I have a horrible feeling we will be playng 4-4-2.

what would be your 11 for the first game?

 

[matt seymour]

all those that compare liverpool of old to the liverpool of now are living in the past, no liverpool fan is living in the past as its been way to long since we won the league.but we have won cups .only man u and chelsea have won more trophies than us since 2000.that makes us the third most successful team in england. stats stats. if you cant win the league and 4th is out of reach then the league becomes unimportant once european qualification has been secured . regardless of points.if at the start of the season you had been told you would make europe but not champions league plus 2 cup finals winning 1 nearly every team would be happy with that.yes we want to be higher but as only 4 teams can make champions league maybe 3 this year,and only 1 can win the premiership to do what we have is a good season...chairman in football are retarded that expect to much just because of a name very quickly.its not about dalglish or hodgson or benitez .its loony chairman . the club take hodgson on and give him no time then low and behold hes england manager. the guys are clueless.

The point is that a club the size of Liverpool should be competing for the premiership title or a top four spot at the very least. Unfortunately, under Dalglish the club have gone backwards despite him spending a fortune.

If I owned Liverpool and had backed him to the tune of £120 million I would want a lot more to show for it than a squad of very average players that probably wouldn't get anywhere the squads of Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea or Arsenal and Spurs.

The cup runs basically papered over the cracks of what has been a dreadful season, which has seen the worst league points total in 50 years and several teams beating Liverpool at Anfield for the first time in history or in decades. Some of your performances have been abject like the one against Swansea at the weekend.

I've no sympathy for Dalglish at all. He spent £120 million on rubbish and whoever comes in to replace him has basically got to start all over again. He has left the club with a very expensive and very average squad full of players who are nowhere near good enough to play for a club like Liverpool and he has to take responsibility for it. Had he stayed he probably would have expected financial backing again and I don't blame the owners for not trusting him with the club's money given his record in the transfer market.

 

[matt seymour]

what would be your 11 for the first game?

I don't think we have a prayer of getting anywhere in this tournament, so I would have taken a small number of the old guard, but mainly looked towards the future and given some of the up and coming players some experience.

I'd probably go for a 4-2-3-1 because that is what most international teams are playing now and going 4-4-2 just makes you outnumbered in midfield.

Hart

Richards Terry Cahill Cole

Barry Cleverley

Walcott Lampard (or Gerrard) Sturridge

Rooney (if he wasn't suspended)

Something like that. Maybe Ashley Young out wide instead of Walcott or Sturridge. In an ideal world Wilshere would be in there instead of Barry.

As Hodgson hasn't even taken half of that team I guess we are lumbered with

Hart

Johnson Terry Lescott Cole

Barry Milner

Walcott Gerrard Young

Defoe or Welbeck


I certainly wouldn't be starting Downing or Carroll. I still can't believe he has taken those two and not Adam Johnson or Crouch.

 

[hmmm]

I've no sympathy for Dalglish at all. He spent £120 million on rubbish and whoever comes in to replace him has basically got to start all over again. He has left the club with a very expensive and very average squad full of players who are nowhere near good enough to play for a club like Liverpool and he has to take responsibility for it. Had he stayed he probably would have expected financial backing again and I don't blame the owners for not trusting him with the club's money given his record in the transfer market.

Joe Hart, £1.5million, 2 years at £15,000 a week, 5 years at £30,000 a week. Total: £10,860,000
Stuart Taylor, free, £25,000 a week, 3 years. Total: £3,900,000
Defenders
Jerome Boateng, £10.4million,£80,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £31,200,000
Wayne Bridge, £12million, £70,000 a week , 4 and a half years. Total: £28,380,000
Aleksander Kolarov, £16million, £80,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £36,800,000
Vincent Kompany, £6million, 1 year at £25,000 a week, 5 years at £90,000 a week. Total: £30,700,000
Joleon Lescott, £24million, £90,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £47,400,000
Shaleum Logan, academy, £10,000 a week, 4 years. Total: £2,080,000
Micah Richards, academy, 3 years at £10,000 a week, 5 years at £35,000 a week. Total: £10,660,000
Kolo Toure, £14million, £110,000 a week, 4 years. Total: £36,880,000
Pablo Zabaleta, £6.45million, £40,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £16,850,000
Midfielders
Gareth Barry, £12million, £120,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £43,200,000
Nigel De Jong, £17million, £90,000 a week, 4 and a half years. Total: £38,060,000
Adam Johnson, £7million, £60,000 a week, 4 and a half years. Total: £21,040,000
Michael Johnson, academy, 2 years at £12,500 a week, 5 years at £25,000 a week. Total: £7,800,000
James Milner, £24 million, £110,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £52,600,000
David Silva, £24million, £120,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £55,200,000
Yaya Toure, £28million, £220,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £85,200,000
Patrick Vieira, free, £80,000 a week, 18months. Total: £6,240,000
Shaun Wright-Phillips, £-10million, 7 years at £15,000 a week, 4 years at £70,000 a week. Total: £10,020,000
Strikers
Emmanuel Adebayor, £25million, £160,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £66,600,000
Jo, £18million, £50,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £31,000,000
Roque Santa Cruz, £17.5million, £110,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £46,100,000
Carlos Tevez, £25.5million, £160,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £67,100,000
Grand Total:
£816,270,000

so liverpool spent no where near yet still got to europe won a cup and a final.
comparing this way i say we still did ok..there is no agurrero on that list or dzeko

 

[hmmm]

As Hodgson hasn't even taken half of that team I guess we are lumbered with

Hart

Johnson Terry Lescott Cole

Barry Milner

Walcott Gerrard Young

Defoe or Welbeck


I certainly wouldn't be starting Downing or Carroll. I still can't believe he has taken those two and not Adam Johnson or Crouch.

hart

johnson terry cahill cole

parker

milner lampard chamberlin

walcott

carroll/

id take johnson also and crouch and leave wallbeck and young

 

[matt seymour]

Joe Hart, £1.5million, 2 years at £15,000 a week, 5 years at £30,000 a week. Total: £10,860,000
Stuart Taylor, free, £25,000 a week, 3 years. Total: £3,900,000
Defenders
Jerome Boateng, £10.4million,£80,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £31,200,000
Wayne Bridge, £12million, £70,000 a week , 4 and a half years. Total: £28,380,000
Aleksander Kolarov, £16million, £80,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £36,800,000
Vincent Kompany, £6million, 1 year at £25,000 a week, 5 years at £90,000 a week. Total: £30,700,000
Joleon Lescott, £24million, £90,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £47,400,000
Shaleum Logan, academy, £10,000 a week, 4 years. Total: £2,080,000
Micah Richards, academy, 3 years at £10,000 a week, 5 years at £35,000 a week. Total: £10,660,000
Kolo Toure, £14million, £110,000 a week, 4 years. Total: £36,880,000
Pablo Zabaleta, £6.45million, £40,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £16,850,000
Midfielders
Gareth Barry, £12million, £120,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £43,200,000
Nigel De Jong, £17million, £90,000 a week, 4 and a half years. Total: £38,060,000
Adam Johnson, £7million, £60,000 a week, 4 and a half years. Total: £21,040,000
Michael Johnson, academy, 2 years at £12,500 a week, 5 years at £25,000 a week. Total: £7,800,000
James Milner, £24 million, £110,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £52,600,000
David Silva, £24million, £120,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £55,200,000
Yaya Toure, £28million, £220,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £85,200,000
Patrick Vieira, free, £80,000 a week, 18months. Total: £6,240,000
Shaun Wright-Phillips, £-10million, 7 years at £15,000 a week, 4 years at £70,000 a week. Total: £10,020,000
Strikers
Emmanuel Adebayor, £25million, £160,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £66,600,000
Jo, £18million, £50,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £31,000,000
Roque Santa Cruz, £17.5million, £110,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £46,100,000
Carlos Tevez, £25.5million, £160,000 a week, 5 years. Total: £67,100,000
Grand Total:
£816,270,000

so liverpool spent no where near yet still got to europe won a cup and a final.
comparing this way i say we still did ok..there is no agurrero on that list or dzeko

We all know that Man City have spent an obscene amount of money, but the point is that the vast majority of those players are worth the transfer fee paid for them. There are a couple of stinkers in there that Hughes signed, but Dalglish's signings are all stinkers!

Do you really think that Downing and Henderson are worth £20 million each when you could have had David Silva or Carlos Tevez for £24 or 25 million? Or how about Yaya Toure for £28 million instead of Carroll for £35 million?

There's just no comparison between them. City have signed world class quality players and Dalglish has signed rubbish for roughly the same kind of transfer fees.

Dalglish paid way over the odds for some pretty crap players and that's why you finished 8th in the league and he's been sacked. He wasted the club's money, plain and simple.

 

[hmmm]

We all know that Man City have spent an obscene amount of money, but the point is that the vast majority of those players are worth the transfer fee paid for them. There are a couple of stinkers in there that Hughes signed, but Dalglish's signings are all stinkers!

Do you really think that Downing and Henderson are worth £20 million each when you could have had David Silva or Carlos Tevez for £24 or 25 million?

Or how about Yaya Toure for £28 million instead of Carroll for £35 million?

Dalglish paid way over the odds for some pretty crap players and that's why you finished 8th in the league and he's been sacked. He wasted the club's money, plain and simple.

i understand what your saying but tevez was at man u then city.we couldnt by those players last season as they were already brought by city.they dont come 2 a penny.there are not many tevez,s or silvas out there not only that we werent in the champions league.so we have to be honest and say we have to dig deep and try hard to do the best we can to attract those player by finishing 4th which is a big ask when we havent got those players and we have to play against those players.but what did do is show that we can match them on the day,that we can batter teams by creating chances.what we didnt do is take them and on occasions didnt turn up against lower teams.
we had a 21yr old and a 19 yr old in the centre of midfield.these 2 players are gaining experience in games that we had nothing to gain in.our defence is solid and near as good as others in the league. downing im with you he doesnt turn up enough.maxi the same. those 2 are the only players i have issues with.the 2 young guys will get better just as lucas did. carrol im certain will do the same. if he doesnt then so be it but i really see that he will.

 

[matt seymour]

i understand what your saying but tevez was at man u then city.we couldnt by those players last season as they were already brought by city.they dont come 2 a penny.there are not many tevez,s or silvas out there not only that we werent in the champions league.so we have to be honest and say we have to dig deep and try hard to do the best we can to attract those player by finishing 4th which is a big ask when we havent got those players and we have to play against those players.but what did do is show that we can match them on the day,that we can batter teams by creating chances.what we didnt do is take them and on occasions didnt turn up against lower teams.
we had a 21yr old and a 19 yr old in the centre of midfield.these 2 players are gaining experience in games that we had nothing to gain in.our defence is solid and near as good as others in the league. downing im with you he doesnt turn up enough.maxi the same. those 2 are the only players i have issues with.the 2 young guys will get better just as lucas did. carrol im certain will do the same. if he doesnt then so be it but i really see that he will.

The thing is Dalglish had enough of money to sign some decent players, but he bought Carroll, Adam, Henderson, Downing, Bellamy instead. Those players aren't good enough to make Liverpool a top four side. Seriously, do you think a single one of those players are worth what Dalglish paid for them?

The younger players you've got coming through look pretty awful as well. Shelvey and Spearing are pants, as is Kelly and that Sterling kid you're all raving about doesn't exactly look like a world beater either and he's certainly no Chamberlain.

Get a decent manager and back him financially like they did Dalglish and Liverpool will be top four again before you know it. Unfortunately, you're going to lose a fortune when you get rid of all Dalglish's turkeys, but that's what needs to happen.

 

[hmmm]

Liverpool Net Spend £39,850,000 £6,250,000 -£8,650,000 -£5,150,000 £35,350,000
Final Position 4th 2nd 7th 6th

Tottenham Net Spend £33,950,000 £19,450,000 -£1,000,000 £17,500,000 -£27,000,000
Final Position 11th 8th 4th 5th

the last figure is for this season so no position is stated.

the figures clearly show when you spend big it takes 2 years for them to work to there max. the only team that does well not doing it so much is arsenal

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/transfer-fees-v-league-positions/premier-league-2007-2011.html

 

[hmmm]

Liverpool Net Spend £39,850,000 £6,250,000 -£8,650,000 -£5,150,000 £35,350,000
Final Position 4th 2nd 7th 6th

Tottenham Net Spend £33,950,000 £19,450,000 -£1,000,000 £17,500,000 -£27,000,000
Final Position 11th 8th 4th 5th

the last figure is for this season so no position is stated.

the figures clearly show when you spend big it takes 2 years for them to work to there max. the only team that does well not doing it so much is arsenal

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/transfer-fees-v-league-positions/premier-league-2007-2011.html

 

[hmmm]

when i talk about success im talking as a fan and not basing success on money.yes champions league gets you money but nothing else if you dont win it or go far.
the top four was always going to be a big ask for liverpool this year man u champions,city the new champs,chelsea possible euro champions,spurs had a bedded teamand arsenal always the nearly men, but it wasnt impossible.so imo kenny tried then went for the next best the cups and to make sure we get into europe, he did achieve that.now next year is different.they have had a year to bed in and gain experience in big games at finals semi finals and such.so now one would expect more. as a fan we have had a great season full of highs . but to the money boys its failure.

 

[YouthSubsidy]

Could anybody half decent really fail with the money Mancini has at his disposal?

 

[Esk247]

Could anybody half decent really fail with the money Mancini has at his disposal?

Hughes failed.

British/Welsh managers just don't seem to get how it works. They persist with the insanity of buying british players at the same price as what you would pay for a world beating player like David Silva or Yaya Toure.

If Carroll is worth 35 million to Dalglish what the hell is Messi worth in comparison? Dalglish's head must fall off every time he reads about Messi.

Think about players like Ronaldo and Aguero, we just don't have British players that can even get close to them. Rooney sometimes comes close but can easily be cut out of games by a good defence e.g. Germany at the World Cup, then he gets frustrated and starts sulking because they won't give him the ball back.

I would much of preferred Hodgson to scrap the over 30s and start with a younger team, have they learned nothing from the Germany match? We were out paced..the over 30s took too long to get back in defence, they were exhausted by the pace of the German side. Same as Man Utd against Barcelona in the Champions League final, not a chance, the Barca players were quick to the ball and kept the ball. Typical english, back to the keeper in case we risk scoring an actual goal.

 

[matt seymour]

Liverpool Net Spend £39,850,000 £6,250,000 -£8,650,000 -£5,150,000 £35,350,000
Final Position 4th 2nd 7th 6th

Tottenham Net Spend £33,950,000 £19,450,000 -£1,000,000 £17,500,000 -£27,000,000
Final Position 11th 8th 4th 5th

the last figure is for this season so no position is stated.

the figures clearly show when you spend big it takes 2 years for them to work to there max. the only team that does well not doing it so much is arsenal

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/transfer-fees-v-league-positions/premier-league-2007-2011.html

You're missing the point.

It's not a case of how much Dalglish spent, it's WHO he spent it on.

Sure, City have spent a fortune, but they have signed the likes of Toure, Aguero, Tevez, Silva, Johnson etc etc for the same kind of transfer fees that Dalglish spent on rubbish like Carroll, Downing and Henderson.

Dalglish was supposed to be building a side capable of getting in the top four at the very least. The players he signed are not only simply not good enough, they are also not worth anything like what he paid for them.

Liverpool finished 8th in the league because their squad and first team is mediocre. Since Dalglish took over Liverpool have got worse. The squad is worse, the results are worse, the league position is worse and they had their lowest points total in the league for 50 years. That's why he has been sacked.

 

[hmmm]

You're missing the point.

It's not a case of how much Dalglish spent, it's WHO he spent it on.

Sure, City have spent a fortune, but they have signed the likes of Toure, Aguero, Tevez, Silva, Johnson etc etc for the same kind of transfer fees that Dalglish spent on rubbish like Carroll, Downing and Henderson.

Dalglish was supposed to be building a side capable of getting in the top four at the very least. The players he signed are not only simply not good enough, they are also not worth anything like what he paid for them.

Liverpool finished 8th in the league because their squad and first team is mediocre. Since Dalglish took over Liverpool have got worse. The squad is worse, the results are worse, the league position is worse and they had their lowest points total in the league for 50 years. That's why he has been sacked.

i think you said about money.120 is not enough.120 over 2 years may have got a 4th place.120 does not buy a squad.120 if you want top players will buy you 3 maybe 4.its still not enough.to compete we need 500mill.2to3 players all over the pitch with them being all gerrards squarezs aggers and pepes. we dont have the money. what it shows is football is champions league based only in this country due to money returns.nothing else matters.to me it shows what a joke football is turning out to be due to money.its only your opinion that carrol is naf.he is the england squad.time will tell next season and the one after if he was the right choice or not the same with henderson.i can safley say it will be just as hard next season regardless of who is manager.4th is the best we could hope for.anything else will be a bonus.but to forget the cups and finish 5th is more of a fail to me than 8th one final 1 cup.thats how i see football .trophies and europe qualification .hughes failed because they wanted it quick.mancini benefited from hughes being there to bed players in.had mancini been there from the start i very much doubt he would have been manager this season .even fergie got time.no rush to build or win anything.all of arsenals players want a trophy but they never get it as its about balancing books.arsenal will always struggle to win a cup of any sort until they change what comes first.money or silver.football is a business first and silver second.there is plenty of money to be made winning cups .id like to see how much money liverpool made this season compared to totenham or arsenal.

 

[Cornish Steve]

I've no sympathy for Dalglish at all.

Neither do I. The man had 18 months to prove his worth and failed abysmally. You can't run a club based solely on supporter sentiment, and the owners are savvy business folks.

Personally, I am a big admirer of Roberto Martinez, and I'd be over the moon if he was appointed. The problem is that the fans are already so much against him - although I really don't understand why. Every year, he starts with a depleted team, instils in them his attractive passing style of football, and ends up with a marvelous team that can beat the best - before having to lose all his stars before the next season begins. Just imagine what he could achieve at Anfield. He's a brilliant man-manager, and they would be a really fun team to watch.

 

[hmmm]

Neither do I. The man had 18 months to prove his worth and failed abysmally. You can't run a club based solely on supporter sentiment, and the owners are savvy business folks.

Personally, I am a big admirer of Roberto Martinez, and I'd be over the moon if he was appointed. The problem is that the fans are already so much against him - although I really don't understand why. Every year, he starts with a depleted team, instils in them his attractive passing style of football, and ends up with a marvelous team that can beat the best - before having to lose all his stars before the next season begins. Just imagine what he could achieve at Anfield. He's a brilliant man-manager, and they would be a really fun team to watch.

he will get sacked. having a team like wigan and keeping them up when the other teams around you are basically no better than the top championship teams is a lot easier than managing a team that does not have the funds to compete with chelsea city man u spurs and arsenal for a top 4 place.its easier for wigan to finish higher than blackburn than it is for liverpool to finish higher than city.fact

 

[matt seymour]

i think you said about money.120 is not enough.120 over 2 years may have got a 4th place.120 does not buy a squad.120 if you want top players will buy you 3 maybe 4.its still not enough.to compete we need 500mill.2to3 players all over the pitch with them being all gerrards squarezs aggers and pepes. we dont have the money. what it shows is football is champions league based only in this country due to money returns.nothing else matters.to me it shows what a joke football is turning out to be due to money.its only your opinion that carrol is naf.he is the england squad.time will tell next season and the one after if he was the right choice or not the same with henderson.i can safley say it will be just as hard next season regardless of who is manager.4th is the best we could hope for.anything else will be a bonus.but to forget the cups and finish 5th is more of a fail to me than 8th one final 1 cup.thats how i see football .trophies and europe qualification .hughes failed because they wanted it quick.mancini benefited from hughes being there to bed players in.had mancini been there from the start i very much doubt he would have been manager this season .even fergie got time.no rush to build or win anything.all of arsenals players want a trophy but they never get it as its about balancing books.arsenal will always struggle to win a cup of any sort until they change what comes first.money or silver.football is a business first and silver second.there is plenty of money to be made winning cups .id like to see how much money liverpool made this season compared to totenham or arsenal.

You're still missing the point.

The difference between clubs like Liverpool and the top four clubs is that the top four clubs have improved year after year. Their signings have made a difference to the team and improved it. Since Dalglish took over Liverpool have gone backwards and had their worst league season in 50 years. It's happened because he has signed mediocre players who are nowhere near good enough to take Liverpool forward and compete for a top four spot. As I say, you've gone backwards. A good manager doesn't spend £120 million on new players and make the squad worse!

In modern football the Champions League is everything and Liverpool were 17 points from a Champions League place!

Dalglish has shown with his terrible signings and Liverpool's appalling league campaign that he is not capable of taking the club forward. His record in the transfer market and in the league says it all and he's made the club a laughing stock this season.

 

[hmmm]

You're still missing the point.

The difference between clubs like Liverpool and the top four clubs is that the top four clubs have improved year after year. Their signings have made a difference to the team and improved it. Since Dalglish took over Liverpool have gone backwards and had their worst league season in 50 years. It's happened because he has signed mediocre players who are nowhere near good enough to take Liverpool forward and compete for a top four spot. As I say, you've gone backwards. A good manager doesn't spend £120 million on new players and make the squad worse!

In modern football the Champions League is everything and Liverpool were 17 points from a Champions League place!

Dalglish has shown with his terrible signings and Liverpool's appalling league campaign that he is not capable of taking the club forward. His record in the transfer market and in the league says it all and he's made the club a laughing stock this season.

who was free for him to sign that you think was good enough to play for the teams above us? bearing in mind we werent in the champions league.
who ?
name me the players how much they could have cost and how many would we have needed to get 4th

 

[matt seymour]

Neither do I. The man had 18 months to prove his worth and failed abysmally. You can't run a club based solely on supporter sentiment, and the owners are savvy business folks.

Personally, I am a big admirer of Roberto Martinez, and I'd be over the moon if he was appointed. The problem is that the fans are already so much against him - although I really don't understand why. Every year, he starts with a depleted team, instils in them his attractive passing style of football, and ends up with a marvelous team that can beat the best - before having to lose all his stars before the next season begins. Just imagine what he could achieve at Anfield. He's a brilliant man-manager, and they would be a really fun team to watch.

I can't make my mind up about Martinez. Sure, he's flavour of the month right now because of the way Wigan finished the season, but if it wasn't for that miraculous finish they would have gone down well adrift of safety. I'm not too sure about a lot of his signings either.

He's a good coach and man manager, but would he be any better than Dalglish in the transfer market? He might be highly regarded by some in the UK, but is he a big enough name to be able attract the kind of world class players Liverpool need to turn things around? I'm not sure if he is to be honest.

Whoever takes over at Liverpool has one hell of a job on their hands if you ask me. They have to undo an awful lot of damage that Dalglish did to the squad. I don't think any of Dalglish's signings have a longterm future at the club and a top manager would probably offload the lot of them.

Interesting point you make about supporter sentimentality. I admire the way that Liverpool fans regard so many of their ex players as royalty, but it can get in the way of success. Dalglish was popular with fans because of his past achievements. Let's face it, he was a disaster in his last two jobs, but he was welcomed back with open arms with very unrealistic things expected of him purely because of who he was.

I had a look on a couple of Liverpool forums last night to see what the fans made of it all. The general consensus was that his sacking was a disaster for the club and the vast majority of the fans wanted Benitez back. What is it with Liverpool fans and looking to the past all the time?

 

[matt seymour]

who was free for him to sign that you think was good enough to play for the teams above us? bearing in mind we werent in the champions league.
who ?
name me the players how much they could have cost and how many would we have needed to get 4th

Man City and Spurs weren't in the Champions League when Redknapp and Mancini/Hughes started putting their squad together and Liverpool are a bigger, more successful club than either of them. Not being in the Champions League is no excuse for Dalglish's record in the transfer market. You're Liverpool for heaven's sake, you shouldn't have any trouble attracting players.

How about Demba Ba on a free transfer for a start? More than twice as many goals as Carroll and he cost Newcastle nowt.

Dalglish was just plain lazy in the transfer market and didn't even look beyond the Premiership for his signings. What about all the little gems the likes of Wenger has uncovered. Players from europe no one had ever heard of before he brought them into the premiership. Dalglish's signings showed just how little he knows about the modern game and that he doesn't have an eye for a player like the best managers do.

 

[josor]

Dalglish was awful, Liverpool were awful. They used to be a strong talented footballing side, now they just send it long!!!

 

[hmmm]

so if chelsea win at the weekend should redknap be sacked?after all he won nothing and only got europa league
the difference between cthe top 4 plus chelsea is that when they have a bad stage during the year or have players injured they are covered in every position with top top players.liverpool arent. its not about sentiment .i have no loyalty to dalglish at all.i just laugh at the way the chairman wants more than he can afford to have and the time span he wants it. its a joke that rarely happens in any league at any club.5th is no better than 8th it makes no difference.the points gap from us to tottenham is less than from arsenal to man u. arsenal have done no better nor sprs or chelsea in the league at closing the gap.the gap is huge from 1/2nd to 3rd and 4th.just as from there to us its big.chelsea spurs and arsenal are also miles away and won nothing apart from chelsea. theres no glory for 2nd 3rd or 4th or 5th.only 1st and winners of cups.getting into the champions league to be dumped out in the gruop stage as a fan is no glory at all.to play 2 teams from latvia and greece and maybe 1 big team from germany.oh the joy.the glory.unless you get to the semi or final it means nothing

 

[matt seymour]

so if chelsea win at the weekend should redknap be sacked?after all he won nothing and only got europa league
the difference between cthe top 4 plus chelsea is that when they have a bad stage during the year or have players injured they are covered in every position with top top players.liverpool arent. its not about sentiment .i have no loyalty to dalglish at all.i just laugh at the way the chairman wants more than he can afford to have and the time span he wants it. its a joke that rarely happens in any league at any club.5th is no better than 8th it makes no difference.the points gap from us to tottenham is less than from arsenal to man u. arsenal have done no better nor sprs or chelsea in the league at closing the gap.the gap is huge from 1/2nd to 3rd and 4th.just as from there to us its big.chelsea spurs and arsenal are also miles away and won nothing apart from chelsea. theres no glory for 2nd 3rd or 4th or 5th.only 1st and winners of cups.getting into the champions league to be dumped out in the gruop stage as a fan is no glory at all.to play 2 teams from latvia and greece and maybe 1 big team from germany.oh the joy.the glory.unless you get to the semi or final it means nothing

What a daft thing to say.

Of course Redknapp shouldn't be sacked, he's taken a club that were too close for comfort to the relegation zone and transformed them into a top four side, played good football and performed consistently. He's basically taken a club that has done nothing in the league for years and years and taken them into the champions league, beating the likes of Chelsea and moneybags Man City to a top four finish in the process.

Dalglish has taken a top four side and turned them into a laughing stock languishing in 8th place in the league, 17 points off the top four and more than 30 points off of Man City and Man Utd. He's also wasted £120 million on rubbish players.

Seriously, Dalglish had a nightmare. What sort of manager takes over a club with the remit of making sure they finish in the top four and thinks the likes of Carroll, Adam, Downing and Henderson are the players to get them there? Those signings are totally insane, especially at the prices he paid for them.

He deserves to be sacked. I don't think you would be quite so keen on Dalglish if it was your £120 million he spent on those players.