Chinese virus
- Thread starter Chris Ashdown
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Herd immunity would require around 94% to have it and become immune. Not carrying the virus to spread.
Its darn hard doing herd immunity with stuff you do get immunised for. Some places never manage the required percentage - UK doesn't meet required percentage in measles.
Relying on herd immunity both presumes all the herd necessary do become immune long term and that the virus doesn't mutate.
No vulnerable person should be relying on herd immunity alone.
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USA has shutdown the whole of Broadway, no theatre for the foreseeable future.
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Tell that to Patrick Vallance.
Boris is relying on (hiding behind) the scientific 'shield'
The public will eventually have their voices heard.
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China built a hospital in a week or 2.
Our government couldnt build a shed in 2 weeks.
Architects,
Public consultations,
H&S,
People putting in complaints about the planned shed,
Architects redesigning it - smaller, greener, different type of wood as it does not fit in with surroundings.
Public consutation,
Goes to the council to vote on,
Passes...just.
By this stage we have left the EU and there is a shortage of trades.
When they do eventually get everyone and everything in place.
It P'ing down and it is the wrong kind of rain meaning they cant build for 4 months until the ground dries out to acceptable levels.... All for a shed!
Bit of an exaggeration, but China built a hospital in 2 weeks. They get a bad reputation for many things, but I doubt any other country could pull that together.
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Totally agree.
They will be found out for being inept.
Not to have specialised locations for suspected patients of Coronavirus to go to in order to be treated, is both shameful and shows their negligence.
Speak to any GP and they will tell you they are not prepared.
Boris will keep saying . . . . .yeh, but, but I was being advised by the top medical and scientific experts in the land . . . . . total bo!!@c&$
They will be found out for being inept.
Not to have specialised locations for suspected patients of Coronavirus to go to in order to be treated, is both shameful and shows their negligence.
Speak to any GP and they will tell you they are not prepared.
Boris will keep saying . . . . .yeh, but, but I was being advised by the top medical and scientific experts in the land . . . . . total bo!!@c&$
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I notice every politician says “being lead by science”, it’s classic ass protection so when it all hits the fan they can blame scientists.
I also notice when each death in UK is announced it always includes “with serious underlining health problems” deliberately to stop us peasants panicking.
Has anyone else had a message via this forum from a “reporter from Reuters” requesting a telephone interview ?
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There are millions with 'serious underlying health problems'. Usually living as normal a life as they can get away with.
They could, conceivably, use the term in vast majority of deaths from this virus here. And not be caught telling a lie.
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From the Worldometers site.
If correct then virus could spread multiple ways.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
Abstract
HCoV-19 (SARS-2) has caused >88,000 reported illnesses with a current case-fatality ratio of ~2%. Here, we investigate the stability of viable HCoV-19 on surfaces and in aerosols in comparison with SARS-CoV-1.
Overall, stability is very similar between HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1.
We found that viable virus could be detected in aerosols up to 3 hours post aerosolization, up to 4 hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic and stainless steel.
HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1 exhibited similar half-lives in aerosols, with median estimates around 2.7 hours. Both viruses show relatively long viability on stainless steel and polypropylene compared to copper or cardboard: the median half-life estimate for HCoV-19 is around 13 hours on steel and around 16 hours on polypropylene. Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days
If correct then virus could spread multiple ways.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
Abstract
HCoV-19 (SARS-2) has caused >88,000 reported illnesses with a current case-fatality ratio of ~2%. Here, we investigate the stability of viable HCoV-19 on surfaces and in aerosols in comparison with SARS-CoV-1.
Overall, stability is very similar between HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1.
We found that viable virus could be detected in aerosols up to 3 hours post aerosolization, up to 4 hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic and stainless steel.
HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1 exhibited similar half-lives in aerosols, with median estimates around 2.7 hours. Both viruses show relatively long viability on stainless steel and polypropylene compared to copper or cardboard: the median half-life estimate for HCoV-19 is around 13 hours on steel and around 16 hours on polypropylene. Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days
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Those who develop lung problems such as pneumonia may well end up with some damage if infection severe enough. Lose a percentage of lung capacity. Then catch something causing shortness of breath...
It may not be all those who had it then catch it again - humans are a species covering considerable range of bodies. Some may develop immunity for a while, some may go too far and have their own body attacking itself (Sepsis).
And some - like with some other illnesses - may never develop resistance.
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Mikel Arteta tested positive!
Arsenal FC gone into self-isolation!
(Probably infected after meeting with Olympiakos owner last week)
(Not enough they knocked us out of the cup . . . .)
Arsenal FC gone into self-isolation!
(Probably infected after meeting with Olympiakos owner last week)
(Not enough they knocked us out of the cup . . . .)
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He's probably suffering from Trollivirus.
May need self-isolation . . . . . .for a year or two.
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Premier League likely to be cancelled for the rest of the season.
I think 100% will be cancelled.
I think 100% will be cancelled.
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I first read that as Angela Merkel !!!
Are you in close contact with anyone from Wuhan? I hear it’s still in lockdown so I’m not convinced of statistics coming out from there.
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I have 3 close contacts in Wuhan and cannot get in touch with them anymore. The last I heard from them was about 2 weeks ago.
I have been told by a mutual contact that they are fine, but cannot move out of their apartment.
Very worrying!
I do not believe any China figures that have been coming out for the past few weeks. (Nor should anyone).
Internet in China is becoming slower and slower. . . . .
I'm expecting a knock on the door soon . . . . .
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keep your head down, I have no doubt forums are being watched. My other half is in Shijiazhuang and I always worry when I open my vpn on her broadband
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Corvid-19 : Liverpool-18
(just for the record, and to aid the joke, Liverpool have previously won the League 18 times)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-51864935
Anyone that’s in Scotland, a helpline has been set up to call if your business is struggling or if you have questions about situations in your business regarding the virus.
Anyone that’s in Scotland, a helpline has been set up to call if your business is struggling or if you have questions about situations in your business regarding the virus.
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No chance. Too much money at stake.
My thought would be to get all players and staff to self isolate for a week and then just stay in their group for say 3 weeks. You could probably get 7 games played in that time, if all of the important positions and pretty much guaranteed (ie winners, top 4, europa places and relegation then you could end the season a game or 2 early), just makes the best of a bad situation - assuming players are happy to stay away from family for 3-4 weeks... for £150k a week I would, hell! for £1.50 a week I would
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Yikes! I just noticed, I do not have an Ignore button any more! 
Oh, never mind, it seems like you can still Ignore people, but you need to go to their profile and look in the top right corner.
Oh, never mind, it seems like you can still Ignore people, but you need to go to their profile and look in the top right corner.
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A lot of shows have slashed prices at the moment elsewhere in the world. We're seeing tickets for theatre shows that are usually £300 being sold for £50.
(I'm a Product Manager for a company in this industry)
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This is for shows that are on in 10 to 12 months time. So I guess it's worth the punt for some people?
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It'll take a brave man . . . . . . .or woman . . . . to predict what will happen in a year's time.
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And yet that is what businesses often have to do.
Using best estimates, guessing based on some information or whatever.
If you want particular goods to sell at Christmas then ordering in January makes sense. Knowing you may not be able to reorder that product at all makes for ordering what you think is the right amount.
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We were discussing buying theatre tickets 10-12 months down the line . . . . . . .
Stop being Mr D!
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Darren_Ssc
Because you then only see 10 posts a day (9 of which will be some other ***nt who doesn't have a job)?
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