How would you define a 'winner' or a 'success'

Remember if you want to be a winner mix with winners.
Isn't that a little cliche these days? I mean maybe we need to define 'winner' ?

Multinationals and their directors that pillage the earth of it's resources, undermine individuals, destroy communities etc etc (you've heard it a million times) are not winners mearly because they have fat pay cheques and status.

Same goes for the word 'successful' I guess as well. I will start a new thread I think as this is off topic for this thread ..

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This is a from antoher thread but the OP (Chris Kaday) said that ' Remember if you want to be a winner mix with winners.'

my reply was:

Isn't that a little cliché these days? I mean maybe we need to define 'winner' ?

Multinationals and their directors that pillage the earth of it's resources, undermine individuals, destroy communities etc etc (you've heard it a million times) are not winners mearly because they have fat pay cheques and status.

Same goes for the word 'successful' I guess as well.

What for you defines a winner or a success?
 
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I think you cannot really look at business and look for success, they have massive budgets to make them successful, success comes from an idea/product/ service that grows to be a big business. Branson is a good example as is Bannatyne, small business's that grew over a very short period in recent history.
I would also suggest that those who can compete with the bigger fish on a regular basis shows that they are good at what they do, sometimes with no budget at all.

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Yes certainly you can define ‘winners’ and ‘success’ in many ways and I agree what people think is a success for them is a good topic. In fact my workshop last month with trustnetworkers started with the success aspect of my formulae ‘purpose + passion+ process = success’. It was interesting to discover that most delegates had not really defined what success would mean for them in any great clarity so would not know when they got there.
Cliché or not the simple premise is that you reflect the company you keep and this applies in business as well as life generally.
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Isn't that a little cliche these days? I mean maybe we need to define 'winner' ?

Multinationals and their directors that pillage the earth of it's resources, undermine individuals, destroy communities etc etc (you've heard it a million times) are not winners mearly because they have fat pay cheques and status.

Same goes for the word 'successful' I guess as well. I will start a new thread I think as this is off topic for this thread ..

NEW THREAD STARTED HERE
 
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To me a winner is someone who achieves their goals (whatever they may be) in a single minded manner.

Sure, mixing with other "like minded" people helps with this - but surely occurs naturally as people tend to mix with others on the same wavelength.

IMO - it has absolutely nothing to do with big vs small, or rich vs less rich :)
 
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Cliché or not the simple premise is that you reflect the company you keep and this applies in business as well as life generally.
Well, I make a point NOT to keep company only with 'winners'. For example, I spend time each week with homeless and formerly homeless people, simply because I like being with them and I treat every human being in the same way. For the same reason, I refuse to join 'associations' that like to treat one set of people differently from others - I don't subscribe to such an opinion, even if it hurts me. If that reflects on the way I do things or how I'm viewed, so be it. This is at the personal level, though. At the business level, I won't associate with anyone whose integrity I question. Yes, this has caused some difficult moments but, again, so be it. At least others in business know where I stand. :)
 
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Success is overcoming all the obstacles getting there, not the end result.

The system is setup to stop you from being successful as they insist on having the lions share.

Banks and their Business Managers being corrupt, it could be described as like “Trying to push jelly up a hill”

Still trying to overcome the obstacles, covered in jelly at the moment, but will get there in the end.
 
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To give a concrete example, this lady (in my books) is a huge winner. She probably gave up a comfortable life in Britain to help needy children living in a developing country. The authorities, though, and those who crawl up to them to be looked upon favourably, are big losers.

I hope this lady gets an OBE.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article2947734.ece
 
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According to my experience

"A Winner is a person who loves to taste Failures because, Failure is stepping stones to success and Success is moving from one Failure to another"

Its true in all aspects both success and failures are constant cannot be stopped, it happens just like that and a winner is the one who accepts it and keeps moving...

Cheers
 
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"A Winner is a person who loves to taste Failures because, Failure is stepping stones to success and Success is moving from one Failure to another"

Sorry, but that's tree-hugging, cardigan wearing fluff.

I do agree with the concept - you success and fail every day at different things.

Buit I don't thank that excludes the possibility of being essentially "successful" - whatever that may mean to you.
 
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has someone been listening to a american sales cd's in the car!!!!


Has the BBC's Top Gear Tame Racing Driver been uncovered :|

Some say, "That he turned down the chance to play doctors and nurses with Gemma Atkinson, in favour of becoming a leepers hand towel and that he uses brillo pads to clean his ears" all we know is that he's called the Stig....
 
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To give a concrete example, this lady (in my books) is a huge winner. She probably gave up a comfortable life in Britain to help needy children living in a developing country. The authorities, though, and those who crawl up to them to be looked upon favourably, are big losers.

I hope this lady gets an OBE.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article2947734.ece

Thank you for that awareness to us all...

In short, (for I have my qualified reservations on these nations as a whole), there is only one way to deal with countries of that belligerence, is to stop all movement of their leaders from their very borders into ever mingling with the outside world if they don't polish up their political and religious-bigotry acts!!!

Short of that taken care off, that includes accepting their future students, young leaders, scholars of their own raising, ever to be allowed into any Non Muslim entity or integration unless their own leaders governing the Muslim Faith come out and decipher a positive stance and conduct among the entire Muslim Nation...no exceptions tolerated, period.

Or be faced with the risk such as this unfortunate teacher is now subjected to and any more countless cases from the past to the the future... step into their world at your own risk and face a voluntary peril....even your own Government is helpless in resolving...

Remember too, this is just but a cosmetic charade...there is more to it than meets the eye here and in the case of Sudan, forget not the plight of the British Govt to sanction Sudan resulting from the Darfour dilemma!!!

This 50-plus teacher SHOULD NOT be sent out there AT ALL...she doesn't deserve it regardless if she was naive in the first place to help a Muslim nation with a genuine contribution only to be misinterpreted recklessly by the host country itself...WAKE UP Sudan.....or is it, YOU ALL wake up and do something about it instead? From the UN Security Council level down to every school and child to rise up and detest the way young Muslims are abused by the own lack of intellect and that includes their own parents and leaders for the hypocrisy they so chose to beguiled themselves from medieval practices, but if you so wish to fly out or cross camel into any Muslim country under a vague set up of religious order...you do so at your own peril... even an OBE shouldn't be in question, it will only taunt and intimidate more with the Sudanese when they get to awake from this true disdain they cast upon themselves...their fault to live with it, not the WEST.

May GOD bless her destiny while she still is in an uncertain sandy spot out there among religious renegades!!!
 
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Steve is making some great points a usual, but it may help to re-frame the question.

I assume we are talking about winners and success in business - as opposed to life in general?

I only make this assumption as this is a business forum (but I am inspired by all stories)
 
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that includes accepting their future students, young leaders, scholars of their own raising, ever to be allowed into any Non Muslim entity or integration unless their own leaders governing the Muslim Faith come out and decipher a positive stance and conduct among the entire Muslim Nation...no exceptions tolerated, period.
Sorry, but I disagree. The average person on the street needs all the help they can get in this kind of situation, which is probably why this lady went there in the first place.

This 50-plus teacher SHOULD NOT be sent out there AT ALL
I'll guarantee she was not sent. She gave up a comfortable existence in Britain in order to help the less fortunate overseas. Thank God for such people.

And yes, I do think she's a winner:

- Has touched the lives of many people in a positive way.

I'm sure that the children in her class love her. You can tell that from some of the details in the story. Plus, it seems that the "successful" in business and politics wanted their children in her school.

- Has earned the respect of everyone who knows him/her.

Again, I'm sure that locally she has far more respect than the so-called leaders who intend to physically thrash her under their ridiculous law.

- Has met or exceeded challenging personal goals.

She most definitely set difficult personal goals.

So, on all counts, she's a winner.
 
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Thank you there for the reminder, I responded spontaneously when the thread that was on top of everyone else's. Hence the response was linked somewhat within context to his but unfortunately as you preside and perceive it, it went off topic which I can now concede... Hectic exchanges on less significant issues as a whole...No one WINS in such cases... why bother discuss who are losers on whatever you address on? :D
 
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She is a WINNER Steve... under all moral standards and norms we abide in...and we should be proud of our progress and forthright balance of mind when dealing with what is good and bad...sadly distorted where these countries are supposedly considered to be religiously educated.

Anyway...before we get hailed or pelted by our own set of folks here with stones and outcries in their perception as being off-topic... I have been there myself including exchange platforms that addresses everything, anything and dislikes other things other than their own topics of little pride or interests when you reflect carefully all that has been discussed.... was sheer hot-air needed to be lifted off one's chest!

Gd night and to you Steve... at least you talk sense and holds more credibility with your facts gathered...cheers to you mate and Semper Fi from me...
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I think of a winner as someone who usually if not always, gets a good result with anything they turn their hand to, business or otherwise. The total opposite to a loser (we all know one!) who gets it wrong most of the time! So, being a winner isn't only an attribute in business.
 
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To me a winner is a person who achieves total happiness. Big or small I think the winning thing is a personal thing. For example, the single Mum works waiting tables to ensure her children have the same as more well off kids. In my eyes, she is a winner. Everyone is a winner at some thing and success could be something as small as passing your driving test? Winning is not always about big money, I'd rather have a small house, with no debt and be happy as pigs in muck, than a big house, flash car and die of stress, worrying about paying for it.

As my Gran says, you cannot take it with you! :D

Jayne :)
 
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To me a winner is a person who achieves total happiness. Big or small I think the winning thing is a personal thing. For example, the single Mum works waiting tables to ensure her children have the same as more well off kids. In my eyes, she is a winner.

I think that's a small miracle :)
 
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