Start by defining what you want the shower gel to feel & perform like (clarity, foam level, slip, scent, pH range, any claims like moisturizing, gentle for sensitive skin, etc.). That way when you reach out to manufacturers, you can send them a brief spec sheet rather than a vague idea. It makes it easier for them to match you with the right chemist or formulation team!

It is difficult to suggest the matter be pursued, but it is because people know or suspect matters will not be pursued that debts go unpaid and for much larger sums as well.

Once you start to drawdown from the pot the allowance drops to £10k

Ziggy2024 said:

I wouldn't amend for that, just include in the current year as a under / over provision.

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I am inclined to adopt this approach since the prospective tax burden of £665 doesn't strike me as particularly significant in the overall scheme of things.

Happy New Business Year too @HFE Signs although a bit early.

We still need to celebrate New Business Year Eve this coming Sunday, then all sit around with hangovers on Monday 6th from all the 'celebrations'

It's a low-risk pop-up incubation model, and one of the more effective ways to lower the barrier to entry for retail entrepreneurship. It let's small operators test real market demand, build confidence, and gain customer exposure without the typical financial exposure. The main trade-offs are sustainability and selection effects.

As it’s been 6 years since thread was started and the OP has never returned we will probably never know how things turned out.

Time to close this thread.

Porky said:

Hi Carl,
Interesting, might just chat further although my primary issue is finding a trusted partner in Japan that could sell the product - that's probably the bigger issue especially as i don't talk Japanese....

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You could try finding a warehouse in Japan to handle dropshipping for you, or a dropshipping warehouse in China would work too. The shipping time from China to Japan for international parcels is quite short.

I'm a Christmas and Halloween supplies manufacturer based in China. I'm quite interested in the products you mentioned — how about we give collaboration a try?

MOIC said:

My tuppence worth . . . . .

If you decide to source from Alibaba, then you really need to devote time and effort into sourcing the right supplier for you.

It may be that you'll need to communicate with 20 or 30 suppliers to find the right one and the process can take 2 to 4 weeks to establish if they are the right fit for you, this is before you request and compare samples, from perhaps a shortlist of 3.

A few pointers:

1. Never request or respond to an RFQ.

2. Due diligence on the company that you're speaking with.

3. Always request samples from at least 3 suppliers to compare quality, components & packaging.

4. When you have identified (what you think) is the right supplier for you, then the fun starts. . . . contract, samples, amendments, pre production samples, payment terms, production timelines, quality control, export documentation, packaging, branding, warranty, faulty items, after sales service, shipping options & costs . . . . . .It's doable, but you need to put time and effort into it, otherwise you'll get a (very) poor supplier.

Alibaba now, is not what Ailbaba was like 10 years ago, it's worse!

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That's exactly right. A large number of trading companies are spending hefty sums duplicating storefronts, all to get their products in front of your eyes. Meanwhile, the actual factories rarely have the bandwidth to reach out and deal with you directly.

Ah sorry. I seen xero and importing details etc and thought that sounded like more of everything.

Closing thread. OP is clearly a time waster

Been meaning to write this post for a while as it's something I've been thinking about a lot recently through my work in the bathroom industry.

A few years ago if you mentioned acrylic shower panels to most homeowners you'd get a pretty dismissive reaction — "isn't that just cheap plastic cladding?" was a pretty common response. The reputation of the product category was honestly not great and I think that was largely down to the flood of thin, low quality PVC panels that dominated the market at the budget end and gave the whole category a bad name.

Fast forward to now and the landscape has changed almost completely. The panels coming through from quality manufacturers are genuinely impressive — 8mm and above acrylic with surface finishes that photograph so well you'd genuinely struggle to tell them apart from high end tiles in a lot of cases. Marble effects, concrete finishes, botanical prints, even licensed artwork designs. The design range has exploded.

What I find really interesting from a business perspective is how the customer conversation has shifted too. A couple of years ago most of the questions we'd field were "are these as good as tiles?" — now it's more "which brand and thickness would you recommend?" The product has clearly crossed some kind of credibility threshold with the mainstream UK consumer that it hadn't reached before.

A few things I think have driven this:

— The grout cleaning problem never went away and people are genuinely fed up with it
— Instagram and Pinterest have exposed a much wider audience to well-executed panel installations
— The quality of the top tier products has genuinely caught up with what sceptical buyers needed to see
— Installation time and cost savings are increasingly understood and valued

From a trade and retail perspective it has been a significant shift in how we talk about and position these products.

Curious whether anyone else in the trade or running businesses adjacent to home improvement has noticed the same thing — or whether you've had different experiences with customer perception in your area. Also interested whether anyone has thoughts on where the market goes next — more premium finishes? Larger format panels? Different substrates?

Would genuinely love to hear different perspectives on this, particularly from people working in different regions of the UK where the uptake might be different.

Really useful tool, thanks for sharing this. Just plugged in my postcode and it pulled everything through nicely - good to see the relief breakdown laid out clearly rather than trying to work it all out from the council's letter.

Quick question - is there any way to pull in the floor area data as well? Would be handy to see the m² that the valuation is actually based on, so you can sense-check whether the VOA's got it right without having to dig through their site separately.

Also, I've got a small unit in SE15 that doesn't seem to come up when I search. It's definitely on the VOA list so not sure why it's missing. Might be worth a look.

We switched to ClickUp about 18 months ago after trying most of the others. Agree with @paul what sold it was that we could mould it around our existing process rather than rebuilding everything to suit the software. Once we got clear on our own workflow first, the tool slotted in.

minimad99 said:

Oh I see, I just want to avoid assumptions. Looks like "total price" will be best then. Thank you

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"Price" is more than adequate.

WaveJumper said:

Anyone making use of AI in their accounting processes

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Yes, I do, and it has become a fundamental part of our business process.

The system I’ve developed interfaces with our CRM, Xero and our own internal systems to cross-check data reliability, preserve a single source of truth, support batch handling, and maintain auditability across the workflow.

It also helps with intelligence gathering and process governance, so decisions, handling rules and exceptions can be tracked properly rather than living in someone’s head or getting lost across emails and spreadsheets.

In practice, the real value comes from using it in a controlled way, so repetitive and document-heavy work moves faster without losing consistency or review discipline.

Jim Collins said:

That is a good call and what I had to. Was hoping for statements which for me can't be that hard for these guys to fulfil.

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Assuming you're after the PDF invoices, have you tried the mobile app? I've often seen the PDF editions going back quite far.

numbersrule said:

The Contract and their invoice is many times higher than the Small Claims Court Maximum.

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Then County Court action, after they have spoken to a specialist lawyer.

Newchodge said:

White collar crime is always treated more leniently than working class crime.

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Change 'always' to often and I may agree, but that's certainly not always the case.

apricot said:

Is it 3Eur or 2Eur? Not much of a difference though! Either way, we are messed up!

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The French one is €2. There is also a planned EU-wide one of €3 I think ... but I don't know if that is on top of the French one, or will replace it.

Custom Geek is right. UPS invoices doesn't separate the charges on the invoices, it took me a while to sort out my delivery with them.
They charge for Delivery, Custom and VAT in one invoice and doesn't show the breakdown.

Thank you all. Claude suggested a company called SGS — they can carry out testing, review labels, and confirm whether the product is suitable for sale in both the UK and EU.

I hope I’m heading in the right direction! Wish me good luck!