What will difference will President Obama Make?

[Rhyl Lightworks]

While my head says little will change and from the very beginning I have said Obama is the lesser of all the evils, it is impossible not to get swept up in the emotion of the occasion.
I'm sure we all wish Obama good luck - he is certainly going to need it. At least he appears to have a far superior interlect than his predecessor.
Barrie

 

[LINGsCARS]

Well, thanks Asonda, at least one person saw the chuckle line. There is not much you can do to lighten the race thing, but I tried. Race is a total red-herring. It does not matter. Just like the woman thing. I must say, thank goodness that lunatic woman (Palin) lost.

One of the most ignored factors of Obama is where the campaign money has come from.

Unlike most recent administrations, he is less in the pockets of pressure groups, big business and vested interests than any President for a while. He has an extremely wide support base, with less of the loony God mob and big businesses pulling his strings. Many of the businesses like Haliburton (etc) have a vested interest in conflict, it has to be said. This has to be a GOOD THING.

With the Democrat party enjoying little constraints now due to the wide power-base they enjoy in the American system, Obama is more free than anyone for a long time to do what he wants to do.

Action is the key, inaction is the enemy, so hopefully whatever he gets on with will make a difference (at last).

It was an extremely intelligent acceptance speech. He is certainly the best orator, and that counts for a lot. I think people will be happy to follow him as a leader. If I was a damn American, I would be happy with this, today.

 

[directmarketingadvice]

Ohh an agitated liberal. Love it. Can't quite comprehend how someone would disagree with you eh? Ah diddums.

Er, no.

I meant I couldn't understand how someone's brain works so poorly that they could take from my words and either:

(A) Conclude I was suggesting Obama was mentally unstable.

or

(B) "Rephrase" what I meant with a sentence which, if you read it, says Obama is mentally unstable.

I have to assume that you are a Whisky swilling scot

That remark is borderline racist.

... and, from that, I think I can all guess the real reason why you're against Obama.

Idiot!

Steve

 

[cjd]

I feel unexpectedly and uncharacteristically excited and hopeful.

(Don't worry, it won't last)

 

well its over I wish him good luck,I hope obama can bring some change to the usa ,lets face he can not make it much worse, the usa and the world to be honest need him too hit the ground running and get the usa back on its feet build bridges not blow em up

 

[Dawg]

From The Mash:

"I promised you change you can believe in, I did not promise you change you can actually see."

He added: "You believe in Jesus don't you? Right, but have you ever seen Jesus? Exactly. Just making sure we're all on the same page."

Bill McKay, a college student from Denver, said: "I can't believe I now live in a country where an African American can be elected to the presidency after spending just $600 million on advertising."

But putting this cynicism behind us, shall we start a collection to provide anti depressants for Cornish Steve, (formerly Republican Steve)?

 

[vision25]

One of the most ignored factors of Obama is where the campaign money has come from.

Unlike most recent administrations, he is less in the pockets of pressure groups, big business and vested interests than any President for a while. He has an extremely wide support base, with less of the loony God mob and big businesses pulling his strings. Many of the businesses like Haliburton (etc) have a vested interest in conflict, it has to be said. This has to be a GOOD THING.

Rubbish, plenty of pressure groups and vested interests funded Obama

See here for details

http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norcansea.shtml

and look at all the union contributions.

With the Democrat party enjoying little constraints now due to the wide power-base they enjoy in the American system, Obama is more free than anyone for a long time to do what he wants to do.

Action is the key, inaction is the enemy, so hopefully whatever he gets on with will make a difference (at last).

Just because the senate and congress are in his pocket doesn't mean to say that difference is going to be in the right direction. After all, "CHANGE" as a campaign slogan is totally vacuous.

It was an extremely intelligent acceptance speech. He is certainly the best orator, and that counts for a lot. I think people will be happy to follow him as a leader. If I was a damn American, I would be happy with this, today.

He certainly is a good speaker, no wonder a lot of people voted for him. Adolf Hitler was also a good orator who also got many people to vote for him too, but it doesn't mean his policies were any good.

 

[LINGsCARS]

Obama is less in the pockets of pressure groups (than Bush).

No point in complaining about being vacuous. I said he more is free than anyone else to do what he wants... more free than Bush for example.

Some of Adolf Hiltler's policies were good. A curate's egg? No one is perfect. Churchill/Stalin/Mao/Amin/Blair weren't perfect. Who is?

 

I was bound to be dissapointed whoever won.

When are societies going to realise that members of the legal profession are probably the least qualified to run govenments in a humanitarian manner.

Earl

 

[LINGsCARS]

I was bound to be dissapointed whoever won.


Earl

Yes, such a shame that the Nazis couldn't make it stick. Such a shame for Mr Hitler.

I think would all have been disappointed in 1945. Still... better luck for the next mental dictator, eh, Earl?

Who said Adolf was a lawyer?

 

Yes, such a shame that the Nazis couldn't make it stick. Such a shame for Mr Hitler.

I think would all have been disappointed in 1945. Still... better luck for the next mental dictator, eh, Earl?

Who said Adolf was a lawyer?

What on earth are they putting in your Beef Chow Mein.?

My comment was indictive of societies inability to elect various politicians based on there qualifictions to do the job.

Unfortunate fact of life that the people who could do the world some good are much to sane to take the job.

Which is totally born out by the fact that these 2 muppets could not possible be the best the US have to offer..

Hence we are left with a choice between 2 wevils.:|

Earl

 

[LINGsCARS]

Yes, but the only people choosing between the weevils is Joe the Beetle.

So, it is all about keeping it in the insect family. Nothing at all to do with Hitler, that was WW2.

You are getting the two confused.

 

[vision25]

Obama is less in the pockets of pressure groups (than Bush).

This is simply not true.

No point in complaining about being vacuous. I said he more is free than anyone else to do what he wants... more free than Bush for example.

And neither is this. Whoever the President is, they have to take their party with them and their parties would not allow them to move away from their core positions. In any case, you are overestimating how much real power any President has.

Some of Adolf Hiltler's policies were good. A curate's egg? No one is perfect. Churchill/Stalin/Mao/Amin/Blair weren't perfect. Who is?

Can you admit that just because someone is a good speaker it doesn't follow that they also expound good policies.

 

[Cornish Steve]

Don't get how this is going to affect small businesses too much if the economy turns around much quicker and isn't it somewhat of a farce that business income is regarded as personal income in the USA anyway which presumably means that you can deduct mortgage interest and the like as a business expense. We can't do that over here.

It's a special type of structure (Chapter S corporation) that is appropriate only for small business. It makes taxes a lot easier for private business owners. Once a company grows to more than a handful of employees, this type of structure is inappropriate.

 

[Gate2Shop]

Just look at the responses and locations and then look at history. Where are these comments coming from.

 

[LINGsCARS]

This is simply not true.

Yes it is

And neither is this. Whoever the President is, they have to take their party with them and their parties would not allow them to move away from their core positions. In any case, you are overestimating how much real power any President has.

Of course Obama has more freedom on policy then Bush. He only has to take his own party views, not his party AND the opposition, like Bush.

Can you admit that just because someone is a good speaker it doesn't follow that they also expound good policies.

Of course not. Amin was a good speaker. So is Mugabe. Both black presidents, you will note.

 

[Dawg]

Just look at the responses and locations and then look at history. Where are these comments coming from.

Ya wha?

(FYI tin foil can be used for drug abuse as well as keeping aliens' thoughts out...)

 

Yes, but the only people choosing between the weevils is Joe the Beetle.

So, it is all about keeping it in the insect family. Nothing at all to do with Hitler, that was WW2.

You are getting the two confused.

I don't remember mentioning old Adolph, although you got to give it to the guy for iconism.

Poor old Joe Stalin came a poor second on that front.

I think you may need de -toxin

to much sodium glutamate in the system has a profound effect on the brains ability to reason.

Earl

 

[LINGsCARS]

I thought we were discussing the American Election?

And you want REASON?

Nice moustache (on Stalin).

 

And you want REASON?

I suspect reason is the ability to distiguish between emotion and logic.

and intelligence is the ability to solve problems.

In which case the world is Truely F**ked.

So I am declaring myself an ethnic minority of one.?:|

Earl

 

[Chippie]

Ohh an agitated liberal. Love it. Can't quite comprehend how someone would disagree with you eh? Ah diddums.

You didn't negate anything. Yet again you failed to read properly.

Try again I thought you were the marketing guy. (Then again maybe you just did it in Uni).

Let me spell it out for you.

The fact is Obama is going to heavily tax businesses who generate a profit of over $249'000 a year.


There is an American based business owner on here plainly detailing his concerns yet you STILL seem more concerned with little old me. Are your politics getting in the way of your business acumen?


Please don't assume, or I have to assume that you are a Whisky swilling scot who is now "in marketing" as you did a degree in it and you have a website reminiscent of a pop-up "weight loss" one....but then again I mustn't assume. You probably assumed I wouldn't reply, again your wrong.

If your going to throw insults around as bad as "your not in business" then I may as well diconnect my laptop now eh?

Why did he have to "lead" anyone as a POW? How many presidential campaigns and leadership experience has Barack got under his belt? Oh yeah just the one, and that's about it.

This is about experience within politics as a whole. You are just trying to unsuccessfully twist it so that Mr Obama's ludicrously low level of experience in politics looks respectable. Nice try, it still looks crap.

Again, when did McCain "suspend" his campaign in light of him being mentally unsuitable?

Please, dates and reasons. Take responsibility for the "facts" your posting.

Terry Waite is and was completely unconnected to politics so you logic is flawed and therefore irrelevant.


Let me re-phrase my comment as your poor mind cannot decipher it it seems.

You would rather vote for someone who is inexperienced in politics and is bad for small businesses as you deem the other candidate "mentally unstable".

You did of course state that without any reasonable grounds whatsover notwithstanding the fact that the "mentally unstable" candidate has been activley involved in top level US politics for over 30 years.

Seems like sound reasoning to me......

Do the contents of this post sound familiar?

Yes indeed it is as they are unanswered from the last one. Tally ho.

You should stick to the shallow end, you're clearly out of your depth here! Oh, sorry, you are the shallow end. If your only recourse is to insult other board members and attempt to belittle them with your sarcasm and flawed logic, I suggest your time would be better spent elsewhere. You are clearly a trolling racist!

 

[vision25]

Yes it is

Evidence, citations?

Of course Obama has more freedom on policy then Bush. He only has to take his own party views, not his party AND the opposition, like Bush.

Have you not realised there is not 'too' much difference between their policies.

Of course not. Amin was a good speaker. So is Mugabe. Both black presidents, you will note.

Amin never won an election he took power in a military coup. Mugabe comes from the Shona majority tribe and has never took part in an election which has not be tainted by intimidation and ballot fraud. Their qualities as orators has never been tested. The colour of their skin is irrelevant to anybody but racists (which apparently includes a lot of blacks who voted for Obama purely due to his skin colour, what a bunch of twats).

Unlike Adolf Hitler who achieved 43% of the vote in March 1933 in fairly free and fair voting. (there was quite a lot of street fighting etc but the election was pretty uncorrupted).

 

Please don't assume, or I have to assume that you are a Whisky swilling scot

Now you've done it laddie,some of us Scots are partial to a wee dram of Bailey's:|

Cross swords with a Scot and Glen Coe will look like a teddy bears pinic to you.

Earl

 

[debbidoo]

From today's PopBiatch newsletter - had to laugh:

Our LA correspondent tells us that her American neighbours loved the TV footage from UK yesterday, and were so pleased to see all the fireworks going off in celebration of their election.

 

[Esk247]

oh well..atleast he's a bit different.

what other choice did the voters have? palin and mccain???? sweet lord of hell we would of been cast in to chaos on an even grander scale!

atleast thousands of people around the world 'appear' to be liking the news! drags the conversation away from iraq and afghanistan for a few days

 

[directmarketingadvice]

palin and mccain???? sweet lord of hell we would of been cast in to chaos on an even grander scale!

An interesting clip from Fox news about Palin - really scary stuff:

Palin thought Africa was a country

I think the world dodged a bullet on that one!

Steve

 

[Cornish Steve]

I thought stock prices would rise with the general euphoria of an Obama victory. It seems instead that traders are digesting the implications of big government. Prices have fallen almost 7% so far.

 

[debbidoo]

An interesting clip from Fox news about Palin - really scary stuff:

Palin thought Africa was a country

I think the world dodged a bullet on that one!

Steve

Hehe that was in PopBiatch too

 

[Speedymail]

You should stick to the shallow end, you're clearly out of your depth here! Oh, sorry, you are the shallow end. If your only recourse is to insult other board members and attempt to belittle them with your sarcasm and flawed logic, I suggest your time would be better spent elsewhere. You are clearly a trolling racist!

Gee getting branded a racist for daring to not to agree with the Obama mania. There's a suprise.

My "only" recourse is to merely ask the other board member the same questions they asked myself. With no great response I might add from himself or indeed you. So if you've finished acting like the big forum bodyguard you can move along please.

I will ask yourself or the other poster, please refer to any statement I have made that indicates any form of racism...

Go on please. If not then I will assume that you are merely a socialist apologist troll. Away you go theres a good chap go find my "racist" outpourings.

 

[Cornish Steve]

The general sense I am getting from people is cautious optimism. They really wanted to change from the Bush years, but they're nervous about Obama's lack of experience. These transition weeks and the first few months of his presidency will be crucial. He has to demonstrate confidence and competence.

 

[debbidoo]

nervous about Obama's lack of experience.

Maybe I'm just being cynical, but isn't the White House run by advisors, not by the president himself? If that's the case, how relevant is his experience (or lack thereof)?

Like you say though, people are looking forward to a change from the Bush years, just like the UK was ready for change in '97 when Blair became PM.

I think interesting times are ahead, though whether that turns out to be a blessing or a curse ("may you live in interesting times") remains to be seen.

 

[Cornish Steve]

Maybe I'm just being cynical, but isn't the White House run by advisors, not by the president himself? If that's the case, how relevant is his experience (or lack thereof)?

Like you say though, people are looking forward to a change from the Bush years, just like the UK was ready for change in '97 when Blair became PM.

I think interesting times are ahead, though whether that turns out to be a blessing or a curse ("may you live in interesting times") remains to be seen.

Yes, it is run by the team, but the president chooses the makeup of that team and sets the overall tone.

Obama's first choice was very interesting. He chose an orthodox Jew (and son of a doctor born in Jerusalem) as his chief of staff. This will set to rest, for the moment at least, concerns that he'll be less supportive of Israel.

Apparently, John Kerry (candidate in 2004) is pushing hard to be Secretary of State. We'll see whether Obama bows to such pressure or proves that he's his own man.

 

[Esk247]

even if the white house is run by advisors and consultants...obama is an inspirational speaker and although he does seem to preach somewhat it does get the message across...he can captivate an audience without the need to look at a pre written script and he commands an audience! something which obviously bush was unable to do and something which gordon brown struggles with, i find he is very accountant like and not very inspirational.

if you wanted someone to give a speech at a marketing event, you would choose obama.

time will tell if he can really make a change or whether it was all just a marketing ploy.

 

[LINGsCARS]

All he has to do is inspire and lead.

The rest is done by clever people.

So simple.

 

All he has to do is inspire and lead.

The rest is done by clever people.

I so,so hope your right,but I suspect the wind of change will be blowing for the West.

Not a bad thing ,but there is going to be one hell of a lot of unhappy peanuts out there.:|

Earl

 

[Cornish Steve]

I thought stock prices would rise with the general euphoria of an Obama victory. It seems instead that traders are digesting the implications of big government. Prices have fallen almost 7% so far.

Not a good start. Whether it's because traders are pricing in the impact of Obama's policies or because of some weak earnings and sales numbers (or, most likely, both), the Dow has just seen the biggest 2-day drop in its history.

 

[cjd]

Not a good start. Whether it's because traders are pricing in the impact of Obama's policies or because of some weak earnings and sales numbers (or, most likely, both), the Dow has just seen the biggest 2-day drop in its history.

Not a good start? What was he supposed to do, solve the world's problems the day after winning?

The stocks fell because there was more news on the recession, increasing unemployment and faster than expected fall in demand for goods and services.

The poor sod is walking into a sh*t storm not of his making and there's at least 2 years of it; if we're lucky.

 

[David Griffiths]

Is he any different from any other politician? I doubt it.

Could this be another case of image and spin coming out on top? Something that we are all too familiar with, alas.

Some of critics are playing hardball already. This open letter from Ralph Nader throws an interesting slant on a number of things, and may be particularly relevant to the OP's question about peace in the Middle East. And that's from somebody who could hardly be accused of Republican leanings.

As ever, the reporting over here has focused in age, colour and image. How many of us have any knowledge of the real issues and Obama's record on these?

 

[David Griffiths]

Yes, it is run by the team, but the president chooses the makeup of that team and sets the overall tone.

Or the person(s) who bankrolled the president.

 

[Estimator]

Who is he? Where did he come from? He just suddenly appeared on TV at the start of this presidential race, a junior senator saying 'hope' and 'change' all the time, moving his hands like they do.
He did a Hamilton on his team leader, Hillary and then in front the only opposition he had was an old man - were these the two best politicians in the USA?
Can everybody calm down, the American empire is in decline, he has got the job from Hell.
People will use him, people will blame him and they might even kill him.
Good luck, Rookie! :redface: