My SEO ShortList

[jamesjohn1]

Hi,

I have just redesigned my website and now am looking to start seo'ing. I have decided to begin with I would concentrate on seo'ing a specific category on my website for the relating keywords. The phase I would like to rank for is a four word phase.

Problem is deciding who to go with.

Well I started off posting the job up on elance,guru and odesk to see some responses and the average quote I got was $150-250 and taking 1-3 months

two of the best where

.elance.com/s/seoservicesagency/10178[/url]

who claimed this

"Website:equiformnutrition.co.uk
For google.co.uk

Rank 1 Equine Supplement
Rank 3 Horse Supplement" which if true is pretty good?

guru.com/freelancers/RSS-Feeds-Search-Marketing-SEO-Website-Designer-Web-Developer/India/Noida/1481756/rsX_2beToR_2byPM2X585PR94G9ucoGCwJA1[/

who claims

"Minervachocolates.com
-Send chocolates online
-chocolates online uk
-order chocolates
-send chocolates"



So then I thourght I would go to the other extreme and get a quote from a top ranking seo company for the term seo. So I got a quote from a company called just search number 2 seo company on google and well that was truly the extreme. They said my keyword phase would be relativity hard to rank for because apparently "seo power" filters down from the root domain to inner pages (the page i would like to rank) and my competitors for my search term have powerful root domains because they have in excess of 1mil back links. This is acually amazon he is talking about, although amazon is not number 1 but number 2. Anyway I thought that was a reasonable explanation, but this it true? Anyway he then hit me with the price, it would cost 1k per month for 2-3year (that shocked me) before i see any results. and in the mean time i should spend 5k a month on adwords to get sales in the short term. Now i personally thought that was hugely over priced and a very long time frame, but was he right? within reason?

That got me thinking, is'nt it odd how i can get such a range of quotes for the same task. So i thought does that just search guy quote stupidly over the top prices because firstly he is number 2 on google so he can get away with it and secondly their usual clients are company like m and s and sports direct so again they can get away with it? So that made me think the quotes off elance ect may be reliable? Then again the just search people are number 2 on google for seo so they must know what they are doing

So then my final thought was to go onto the second page of google for the term "seo" thinking their may be companies good at seo, not the best, but still good considering the are ranking on the second page for "seo" who are cheaper. so i found these two companies who are a lot cheaper

clicksubmit.co.uk
r2media.co

anyone used them? they seem really cheap and seem to use software to build links? is that bad? clicksubmit say they build links over 3months as not to do so to quickly? does that make them ok to use?

Sorry for the long post, just looking for my general advice as I carnt afford the just search guy, but wondering if the others are still good enough? or if the just search guy is right and i should just save my money and wait until i can afford a company like just search

 

[OldWelshGuy]

It is all meaningless without knowing the search term and you would be nuts to post your search term on an open forum

 

[inbound interactive]

I'm sorry but you are not going to get good rankings for £50 it just isn't going to happen, the company is likely up to something dodgy and you should stay clear or they are going to take your money for a few months and then fob you off!

I start mine at £500 minimum! Which translates into 5 hours of work. £50 or $7 per hour is a joke and if you don't believe me hire one of them and I'll see you in 3 months hahaha.

 

[seoswat]

I echo what OldWelshGuy just said,

i would tend to avoid dealing over places like elance and odesk for this type of thing as its not a guaranteed thing

Whoever tells you they will guarantee you being ranked first for organic search is just flat out lying. For a start, you cant guarantee it if you do not have any control over what factors the results.

Choose someone or an agency who you can have good communication with, who are transparent on their methods and who appear to give you honest advice when you ask about ranking your desired search terms.

See if there is a freelancer or web agency in your local area who might be able to assist.

just search in google for "seo [city]" and google places should list the main people their

 

[AmazingGiftBoxes]

Don't go for elance, freelancer and any other person or company that says that they will get you to 1st page of google in 3 months.

I made that mistake and trust me I rather pay and see some results, then pay get some results and then get penalized by google because of spamy links.

Jerry

 

[jamesjohn1]

The search isn't this but is about as competitive as "ipad 3 case".

I know what you are saying they are really cheap, but if they if they have made the results they claim, then why not?

Then again why are just search so expensive

 

[inbound interactive]

I'd love to see them rank for something like "cheap shoes" on that budget

 

[OldWelshGuy]

clearly you have made your mind up that the $50 guys are the ones you like. As long as you go into it eyes wide open then no problem at all.

I lost track of how many times some of my clients had been contacted for references as some offshore company had used my client sites as theirs.

They just pick a site, and lay claim to it. The other thing of course is that the actual company who was doing the SEO might have outsourced a tiny element of link building to them. yet they claim they did the SEO.

Just search are on page 1 for the term SEO, they will have laid out a LOT of money to be there, they have to recoup that money.

 

[inbound interactive]

The problem is you will have put in the work and they will have caught it on the lag effect of what you had done! Sods law.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

The problem is you will have put in the work and they will have caught it on the lag effect of what you had done! Sods law.

No these guys had never worked on it as nothing ever gets outsourced, they just scam by laying claim to sites they have nothing to do with. In one case I actually took a phone call from a potential client of these guys, who had claimed they did the SEO on one of my OWN sites :d

 

[inbound interactive]

No these guys had never worked on it as nothing ever gets outsourced, they just scam by laying claim to sites they have nothing to do with. In one case I actually took a phone call from a potential client of these guys, who had claimed they did the SEO on one of my OWN sites :d

Hahahaa *Head...Desk!*

 

[jamesjohn1]

After the response here I don't think I am going to go for one of the elance people. I don't see why just search will have laid out money when they have the skills themselfs? Unless you mean in time?

If that is the case it would suggest there are good seo experts to find who are reasonably prices because they are not at the top of google

 

[inbound interactive]

After the response here I don't think I am going to go for one of the elance people. I don't see why just search will have laid out money when they have the skills themselfs? Unless you mean in time?

If that is the case it would suggest there are good seo experts to find who are reasonably prices because they are not at the top of google

It's the same as plumbers with leaky pipes rankings in the SEO industry for seo's don't count. What are you more impressed with that I can rank for "seo services in manchester" or something like "school shoes"? I think it also shows where the company prioritises its time!

 

[mymatecrompy]

You should use extreme caution when hiring anyone to optimise your website. I have been optimising my own sites (10+) for the past 15 years now & consider myself to be somewhat of a specialist; so much so I am starting an seo business to help many of my clients. However, seo is not an exact science & is continually changing; I would never presume or promise any client 1st page rankings as I would potentially be setting myself up for a fall. I have seen the seo market become hugely more competitive during the past 5 yrs or so which in turn has made it harder to compete in the majority of fields. Be realistic, do your research & hopefully you will achieve (over time) increased traffic. Hope this helps!

 

[webgeek]

Equiformnutrition example:

Negative:
The backlink profile of the domain has 305 out of 352 links which are 'dofollow'. That's the squirreliest ratio (imbalanced) that I've ever seen. If it was 3 or 10 dofollow, it would be more natural.

Positive:
It looks like a couple of fairly decent terms with some competition in the market. This probably wasn't a case of throw a handful of links at it and suddenly skyrocket to the top.

IMHO:
Frankly, if you can rank for something like 'iPad 3 case' (despite the fact that it's called the "new ipad"), for the amount of money you've mentioned, it does sound very attractive. Sure, you could do with more nofollow links, some additional link anchor diversity, and minor tweaks... but the horse supplements example does reflect positively (if in fact they did that work themselves, and for the prices you quote).

 

[Marketing Oxford]

Good rankings will not happen from low paid services, they usually involve spam back link practices that Google is now working harder than ever to remove from search engines and penalizes sites that have web spam.

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[lovelucyyang]

Once i was s foreign SEO person ,i must sending the backlinks and the information about the wbsite to update .I come here to learn something ,thank you

 

[sess4561]

Just because something is low priced doesn't necessarily mean its not going to work for you. You could pay £10k or whatever and find that the company your dealing with are a scam, or you could pay £100 and find someone who generally knows their stuff and wants to help you.

That can be said for ANY market.

Just make sure you understand exactly what you are getting for your money, thoroughly research them, ask for past customer testimonials etc.

 

[Ali-v-8]

You been optimising websites for 15 years WoW

You should use extreme caution when hiring anyone to optimise your website. I have been optimising my own sites (10+) for the past 15 years now & consider myself to be somewhat of a specialist; so much so I am starting an seo business to help many of my clients. However, seo is not an exact science & is continually changing; I would never presume or promise any client 1st page rankings as I would potentially be setting myself up for a fall. I have seen the seo market become hugely more competitive during the past 5 yrs or so which in turn has made it harder to compete in the majority of fields. Be realistic, do your research & hopefully you will achieve (over time) increased traffic. Hope this helps!

 

[bdw]

I have been optimising sites for going on 11 years now and I still do not consider myself to be anywhere close to being an expert. I would never consider taking a monthly fee from anyone for SEO services because the industry is so volatile now and no one really knows how to beat Google. It is evident that this situation is going to continue and it is only gong to get harder. Those who take high monthly fees are almost certainly doing so under false pretences.

Here's a thought.

The ability to push a website to the top of the SERPs generally means a very lucrative ROI. Creating a highly performing website in some niches (for advertising or for sales) can make people very rich.

If all of these SEO people (including some in here) are as good as they claim they are then why on earth are they wasting their time trying to make money for others? Why don't they just promote their own websites to the top of the SERPs, make a pile then sit back and enjoy it? I guess they must all just be born with this mission to work for the benefit of others, eh?

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[Ali-v-8]

I never needed to optimise websites till about 2002. Then it was simply repeat and multiply.
keyword stuffing, gateway pages, link farms, hidden text, and spam wasn't really a massive thing till 2004.
Most companies didnt know what SEO was because the internet competition wasn't as massive as it is now.
You still used to get MD's thinking they were invincible and that brand loyalty would get them through. Most of them steadfast companies are gone.
The point I am trying to make is that MY first 4 years had nothing to do with SEO as we call it now. Mostly internet marketing.
if we look at what SEO was 8 year ago and compare it to now you would think OMG did I really do that. But at the time that is what worked.

If you were doing SEO in 1997 - who were you doing it for?

 

[jamesmathews]

You can understand easily the concept of SEO and you can start working by yourself for greater search engine visibility.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

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If all of these SEO people (including some in here) are as good as they claim they are then why on earth are they wasting their time trying to make money for others? Why don't they just promote their own websites to the top of the SERPs, make a pile then sit back and enjoy it? I guess they must all just be born with this mission to work for the benefit of others, eh?

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Most good SEO's do run their own websites, they also run their own web ventures/joint Ventures. you need to work with clients to keep your work varied, and some enjoy the thrill of the kill.

Why do musicians continue to make music when they are rich/ why don't they just sit back and enjoy it? the same for pro sportspeople, why don't they just retire after a couple of years and enjoy it?

 

[bdw]

Why do musicians continue to make music when they are rich/ why don't they just sit back and enjoy it? the same for pro sportspeople, why don't they just retire after a couple of years and enjoy it?

Not the best of analogies I am afraid. Musicians produce their own music and continue to do it because they are artistes and that is what they do. Athletes are in it because their business is beating other people, which is exactly what I am proposing to SEOs. Athletes don't win races for others.

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[OldWelshGuy]

Not the best of analogies I am afraid. Musicians produce their own music and continue to do it because they are artistes and that is what they do. Athletes are in it because their business is beating other people, which is exactly what I am proposing to SEOs. Athletes don't win races for others.

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I knew you would say that, so why then do these sportsmen turn to coaching

 

[bdw]

Because they can no longer do it for themselves.

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[Ali-v-8]

OHHHH that was sneaky - I hope that was just a quick quip lol

Because they can no longer do it for themselves.

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[OldWelshGuy]

Clearly this is going offtopic, I suggest a new thread where it can be discussed in detail. why millionaires coach when there is no need to.

 

[trebor8]

because they've got big egos

 

[bdw]

Clearly this is going offtopic, I suggest a new thread where it can be discussed in detail. why millionaires coach when there is no need to.

Why don't you start it then? It was you who started in here.

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[OldWelshGuy]

I ain't playing he said she said, I am done on this off topic stuff.

 

[Ali-v-8]

I am SEOTICUS

 

[fakhir456]

Any website would take minimum 1 to 7 months to top rank in Google according to the competition, whether your site in new and has 0 backlinks.

 

[Ali-v-8]

Not true - I did one in 2 weeks

Any website would take minimum 1 to 7 months to top rank in Google according to the competition, whether your site in new and has 0 backlinks.

 

[Annoying Donkey]

Not true - I did one in 2 weeks

It took you THAT long!

 

[tuberose]

I would tend to avoid dealing over places like elance and odesk

 

[SEO Manchester]

Hi,

Just being reading this thread (very interesting to gather perspectives) and thought I would see if you ever got anywhere with your SEO.

Regards
Net66

The search isn't this but is about as competitive as "ipad 3 case".

I know what you are saying they are really cheap, but if they if they have made the results they claim, then why not?

Then again why are just search so expensive