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SEO is easy .... and yes, there are a very large contingency of conmen.
I know a 'seo expert' who, up to 9 months ago, worked as a clown!
needless to say his site is a template and he really has no clue BUT there are more gullible people out there than he can cater for.
 
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I think that the length of this thread (and its age) are testament to the fact that the SEO industry is not transparent enough and its client base are still as confused as ever. I guess we just have to wait for the SEO bubble to burst so that the "correction" will filter out the chaff from the wheat. Just my thoughts
 
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Agree to a certain extent with Chris, I think honestly those raking highly for "SEO" are paying for links to get there in the first place, thus filtering down into their prices frankly!

I also think the SEO industry is the new "Gold Rush" - lots of Cowboys and wild prices.

Also, if an SEO Company gives a quote without looking at any "technical" barriers that might be holding back a site in terms of SE friendliness I would be worried!
 
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I came across a medium business the other day that were looking to change agency (charging these ridiculous fees you hear about) and when I reviewed their site, there was little or no SEO work done!

A case of emperors new clothes maybe?! :eek:

Whilst it could be argued that any marketing investment is rated by returns (ie profit) one does need to be very careful when it comes to choosing an SEO provider.

If you are in the SME bracket, it's recommended to explore any of the following solutions:

1. Search out a company who maintain low overheads and charge by the hour or by tasks required.
2. Deal direct with a SEO specialist
3. Employ an SEO specialist full time

I started SEO Cornwall as an alternative to larger agencies and it's proving a successful business.

http://www.seocornwall.com :)
 
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With SEO and PPC, I feel that the best place to look is their contract, if it's written so that you can easily pull out without penalty after say three months and can continue there after on a monthly basis, then they are probably good at what they do and confident that you will see the benifit of their work anf want to continue working with them.

If on the other hand they need you to sign up to a year with hard to get out of clauses ask why they are trying to keep you tied to them, basically they are so unsure you would continue with them they have to hide under the small print
 
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I think the main thing with any supplier is that you can become partners with them. If your SEO guy works with you he will help you and if he's bright he will also learn from you. As many SEO people are one man bands if they get, for example, good weekly feedback from a dozen customers they will learn far more than if they sit in their office with an 'i don't need help from amateurs' attitude. I've learnt a lot about SEO (but not site design) from my guy and he has shared his knowledge with about ten of his keener customers and we have all got good results and in the process his knowledge has kept up with the constantly changing algorithms.

At the risk of winding up website designers a lot of them could do with remembering that most customers would prefer an ugly site like mine that brings in business than a pretty one that google doesn't like.

thermo box recently awarded a prize on this forum for the length of its' left hand menu!
 
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I do a bit of SEO for a company local to me 2 or 3 days a week just for
3 or 4 hours a day.

I charge them nowhere near what I should be charging them, mainly because
I go and do the work in their office, which gets me out of the house and
gives me a bit of office life.

The main reason I do it though is because I am constantly learning, have a
complete free reign and have the use of 3 members of their staff whenever
I ask for them.
 
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hey uksbd
i have just received my second actual job from my free listing on your directory in only 2 weeks and was wondering how i could get an enhanced listing?
To be honest i only listed my company in it for seo reasons but have found it has performed better than my paid listings.
Bearing in mind i cover the whole of tyne and wear what could you offer me as far as an improved listing?

cheers:D
 
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GasAngel, UKSBD is excellent. Its the only online directory I'm in cos I want to be in it. Very helpful guy as well........

sorry off topic I know, just thought I'd mention it:)
 
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yeah cheers matt.
like i said im very shocked with the response from my listing.
Do you have a paid/enhanced listing and if so, have you noticed an increase of enquiries compared to the free one.
p.s are you on any other directories that are worth paying for? im on a few but they are a waste of money and will be defo cancelling them.:mad:
 
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GA, I don't pay for any listings not even Yell. I'm on UKSBD because I noticed how high up on Google they were not only in my local area for the service I provide but also nationally so I signed up for a freebie with them. Imagine my horror when my listing with them overtook my own google listing that had been No 1 for ages. I'm back to the top now though;) I have had a couple of enquiries through them...

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I think 99% of directories are a waste of space. Some are not anywhere near page one google so what would I be buying with a paid listing? same applies to you no doubt..
 
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Thanks both ;)

GasAngel:
Send me a PM with the reference nmber of your listing and I'll upgrade it for
you free of charge, give me a list of the main areas you work in and I'll see
if I can target those area too.
 
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It puzzles me why it seems that people judge an SEO company by their page rank, it's a bit like checking out a double glazing company by looking at their office windows!
If you have some SEO companies in mind surely the best way to check them out is by looking at how well their customers sites do and against what competition.


 
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Hey

If they cannot get themselves into the google no 1 or 2 page, then why would they be able to get you there.

Most customers don't want their details advertised, as everyone would be calling them to confirm what the SEO says about them
 
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but if theyre spending all day concentrating on their own rankings it can only mean two things....

1. they arent spending enough time on their clients
2. they dont have enough clients


Matt
 
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Theres an old saying " A chef never goes home and cooks" I think this is tailor made for SEO companies.

I've just launched my own new SEO & PPC agency brand, I have zero rankings and zero pagerank, am I worried? - no. I have plenty of clients rankings and success stories to prove my worth in the industry.

I'll do a little bit every now and then to my site and do the big things like DMOZ first but as for the other things they can wait as I have to work on clients sites not mine.
 
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Hotboxbert said:
It puzzles me why it seems that people judge an SEO company by their page rank, it's a bit like checking out a double glazing company by looking at their office windows!
If you have some SEO companies in mind surely the best way to check them out is by looking at how well their customers sites do and against what competition.
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Great analagy, but my problem is that I am naturally suspicious when SEO companies make great claims about clients sites. Its a question of a few sharks giving the industry a bad name. :mad:

How can I be certain that a site they make mention of has gained ranking thanks to them?:(

Can I even be certain that the site is one they manage?;)

Their own site ought to have some reasonable optimisation so is likely to be a good guide, and as SEO is a competitive area should show their ability.

In my own industry, if our site was full of spelling mistakes it wouldn't inspire you to think we were good at translation would it? Equally even if you don't understand the other language versions, its a bit stange if a translation agency doesn't have a multilingual site. An SEO company without any SEO wouldn't inspire.

Cheers

Mike
thoroughly good translation in any language.
 
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That quote for £65,000 would have made me do more than giggle - i'd have screamed. Good SEO will cost you but the cost should come from ongoing work - you wouldn't pay for PR and have no way of finding out were your press coverage came from.

Most of the cost comes from making sure the work at the beginning is kept up to date, there is no point throwing loads of money at SEO to turn around one month later and say it didn't do anything. Keywords change, website content changes and you've got to keep on top of what your competition is doing. But that doesn't need to cost more than £1K to £3K if the company knows what they are doing and doesn't waist time.
 
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That quote for £65,000 would have made me do more than giggle - i'd have screamed. Good SEO will cost you but the cost should come from ongoing work - you wouldn't pay for PR and have no way of finding out were your press coverage came from.

Most of the cost comes from making sure the work at the beginning is kept up to date, there is no point throwing loads of money at SEO to turn around one month later and say it didn't do anything. Keywords change, website content changes and you've got to keep on top of what your competition is doing. But that doesn't need to cost more than £1K to £3K if the company knows what they are doing and doesn't waist time.
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Is that £1K to £3k per hour, per month, per year :| ?
 
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65,000 is a huge amount for SEO quote.
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I'm not convinced that it is. It's certainly a lot of money, but not for a blue-chip company who are going to earn a million pounds for the work done. Sure it's a lot of money if it doesn't work but that goes for any business service you pay for. If the £5400 per month spent generates a significant ROI then it isn't really a lot of money to spend.
I work for a digital agency, and most of our clients pay around £5000 per month = £60,000 per year for SEO. These are huge blue-chip companies with massive budgets who stand to make huge amounts of money through their websites if they rank well.
Most reasonable sized digital agencies will charge around £750-£1000 per day for their time. Therefore for a £5000 per month campaign you get anywhere between 5-6.6 days of SEO time per month dedicated to your account.
If you're a small to medium sized company looking for SEO don't approach the big agencies expecting a decent price. These guys are targeting large companies, and therefore their services are priced accordingly.
 
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Still hard to understand the prices or amount of time required

With SEO you need a lot of work at the startup, if you have not developed the site with a SEO focused designer, but after the first month their is little to ammend, the odd new product range etc, but the person entering the site will already have been informed by the SEO company on what format to adopt so next to nothing to do

My way of looking at it is, that if I paid for a large web site and then had to pay a expert in SEO to change the site, I would never have paid the designers invoice in the first place

Seems like the old sayings are best "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" or "The more you spend the better the quality" both a bit suspect these days
 
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So what you mean is that definitely the best option is to be careful to contract a company that not only has experience in web design but also in SEO, to make just one invest and spend less time in achieving the objectives. But in the case your web page is already deign you will have to find just a person or place where optimize it. Guys this information is really useful for me because I´m interested on make my own business in this area. The last thing, do you know a very good company that offer this services?...:rolleyes:
 
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Yes, you are right.
It is an wisable decission to hire a company who can provide Web design, development and SEO solution under one roof. "Orisys Infotech" is such a software company of your choice which can fulfill all your requirements under one roof.
 
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Reflections said:
Yes, you are right.
It is an wisable decission to hire a company who can provide Web design, development and SEO solution under one roof. "Orisys Infotech" is such a software company of your choice which can fulfill all your requirements under one roof.
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And the natural synergy between supplying showers, toilets and seo services is :|
 
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When you compare SEO quotations please remember that seo is going to be a long term investment and definitely a business generator with short payback period :-)
 
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