Chinese virus

[Mr D]

For any people reduced to using sanitiser that doesn't kill the virus..
Note - need to get this tested before trying to sell it!

https://uk.yahoo.com/style/coronavirus-own-hand-sanitiser-according-184628796.html

How do you make hand sanitiser at home?

To make hand sanitiser, you need Isopropyl alcohol, known as rubbing alcohol, aloe vera gel, a bowl, a spoon, a funnel, and either a spray bottle or liquid soap container, according to CBS.

The first step is pouring ⅔ cup of alcohol and ⅓ cup aloe vera, which will make the sanitiser easier to apply, into the bowl and mixing well.

Once the mixture is blended, you can use the funnel to pour the mixture into containers.

If you want to mask the scent of alcohol, you can add 5 to 10 drops of essential oil such as lavender, according to the outlet.

Alternatively, if you don’t have rubbing alcohol at home, you can use vodka, according to a recipe by Good Housekeeping, which calls for any brand of vodka, aloe vera gel and a small 1-2oz bottle.

After filling the small bottle ¼ to ⅓ of the way with vodka, fill the rest of the container with aloe vera gel and shake well. The recipe also suggests adding 10 to 15 drops each of tea tree essential oil and lavender which have antibacterial properties and can mask the smell of alcohol.

 

[MOIC]

Coronavirus Update March 5th:


Official figures for those tested: An additional 2258 infected with the virus yesterday, taking the total tested and infected to 95416.


Total deaths yesterday alone were recorded at 87, taking the total deaths recorded to 3285.


China: Figures still going up. They claim they have conquered the virus and everything is now back to normal. ONE new infection in the whole of Eastern China. (Believe that?)


Factories still reporting 30-50% of workers returned, most still waiting for supply chains to start, hopefully by mid March. Guangzhou approximately 60% back to 'normal'.


Far East: S Korea still leads the way of highest infected figures. The head of the Church that was accused of spreading the virus in Deagu City was tested and found not to have the virus.


Middle East: Iran still leads the way with most infections and deaths. Leaders and government officials infected.


Africa: Figures going up. Do they have sufficient testing equipment in all countries?


Americas: Figures going up. USA now 159 infected, 11 deaths. Trump says everything is fine.


Europe: Italy still with highest numbers with 3089 infected and (worryingly) 97 deaths. Closed all schools and universities. Other countries report increased infected figures.


UK: 85 infected. Still no signs of temperature checking/preparedness WHATSOEVER at any of the major airports. A DISGRACE! Boris and his advice to 'Sing Happy Birthday twice' to wash your hands correctly, is about as much of a 'preparedness' situation we will get at the moment in UK
.

Countries lagging behind in 'getting prepared' will eventually follow the methods employed by China (I don't mean closing whole cities), S Korea & Italy.


Governments are now looking to ban exports of medical equipment which are needed to protect their own population as infections grow in their country. A wise move.


Stay safe, keep well and take precautions.

 

[Bob Morgan]

Flybe has gone bust blaming Coronavirus! Philippine Airlines have just declared a USD 2 Billion Loss in their 2019 Accounts (Ending 31 December 2019) on the same! It's rather like hearing 'The Cheque's in the Post'; 'The Dog ate my Homework'; and of course surely 'I will not . . . . . mouth!'

 

[MOIC]

Thanks for the updates, I'm guessing you are currently in china yourself? I've heard rumours that access to the internet in China has been cut, I'm guessing this isn't true?

Yes, in Guangzhou.

I frequently go to Dongguan & Shenzhen on a weekly basis to visit factories, so I can see at first hand what's going on.

I use VPN, which is increasingly more difficult to connect. When there are 'political' meetings or situations like the HK disturbances, they tend to shut down what they can.

If you need specific updates, feel free to PM me.

Keep well!

 

[DontAsk]

Flybe has gone bust blaming Coronavirus!

Lets keep a sense of perspective.

Flybe were already in trouble. COVID-19 was just the final nail in the coffin.

 

[Mr D]

Good news for those disbelieving the WHO.
You agree with Donald Trump.

He has a hunch.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/trump-denies-official-coronavirus-death-104910975.html

Of course Donald is wrong about many other things but surely he has to be right occasionally.

 

[ecommerce84]

I’m amazed he didn’t claim to be immune to it or something.

The German numbers have rocketed overnight. What’s the word over there @The Byre?

 

[Mr D]

I’m amazed he didn’t claim to be immune to it or something.

The German numbers have rocketed overnight. What’s the word over there @The Byre?

Perhaps he'll claim his office makes him immune sometime soon.
Perhaps while standing on the surface of Lake Victoria.

Seriously I expect there will be people who will take Trump's proclamations / ranting / confused twitter posts as gospel. Regardless of doctors who are only out to make you ill so they make money!
You know the sort of people?

 

[thetiger2015]

Lets keep a sense of perspective.

Flybe were already in trouble. COVID-19 was just the final nail in the coffin.

More are likely to collapse though. The margins are so tight, they cannot afford situations like this.

Tens of thousands of jobs are at risk worldwide. Big brands, tiny margins.

 

[Mr D]

More are likely to collapse though. The margins are so tight, they cannot afford situations like this.

Tens of thousands of jobs are at risk worldwide. Big brands, tiny margins.

Indeed. Leased planes / owned planes with running costs. Lots of staff. Rent of storage space, cost of landing rights.
Then halve the income over a short period of time.

Without this virus maybe Flybe could have worked out some method of increasing profitability and dealing with debts.
With what we know already - can we think the airline could improve things in the next 6 months? Hence they pull the plug now.

As you say they won't be the only ones.

This time next year there may be a lot less carriers serving a lot less airports.
Still, the environmentalists will be happier. Until they realise how many people will be driving their own / hire car for holidays instead.

 

[Opinion87]

No checks in place at London Stansted. A lot quieter than usual- though I usually catch the morning flight, not the evening. Seen a total of four people wearing masks.

I thought there might be hand sanitizer stations dotted about but there's nothing.

 

[tony84]

I went tesco before, it was a strange atmosphere. Everyone trying to keep a distance, very quiet etc.

Pretty much everything in stock, baked beans, tea bags and soap seemed a little bit light but they still had plenty available just less than normal, everything else seemed fully stocked.

 

[MOIC]

Yes, just heard.

UK leaders have decided to follow the 'keep the economy safe' policy, rather than patients welfare and containment of this virus.

UK airports need screening measures, both in and out to contain the virus from spreading to all other parts (That's the responsible thing to do). China has installed 'walk through' scanners (no delays) at all major airports and train stations.

There has to be a balance, but complacency can no longer be the order of the day.


Italy . . . . . .

 

[MOIC]

I went tesco before, it was a strange atmosphere. Everyone trying to keep a distance, very quiet etc.

Yes, China has been in that stage since end January and in major cities just getting back (about 60%) to 'normal'.

I went out for the first time (after 3 weeks confined to my apartment) to buy food as I had run out. It was eery to say the least. Everybody was avoiding anybody!

UK have to learn from countries that have experienced this virus and follow some of their measures (not closing cities).

 

[MOIC]

Just heard Boris on the radio.

Things have not changed, we are still in the 'collecting information and containment phase'. Keep washing your hands!

What a JOKE.

Unreal!

 

[MBE2017]

The argument in the UK, officially, is these scanners are only 20% effective. The UK has gone to delay phase, after just a couple of days, over 100 infections confirmed, 1 death.

I think the Gov has never seriously ever thought they could contain this virus due to the interlinked world, aircraft, shipping etc. The only effort, at least for a short while will be to limit the speed of infection to help the NHS cope. I have serious doubts even that will work.

Both Italy and Germany also seem to be struggling with containment measures as well.

 

[Mr D]

The argument in the UK, officially, is these scanners are only 20% effective. The UK has gone to delay phase, after just a couple of days, over 100 infections confirmed, 1 death.

I think the Gov has never seriously ever thought they could contain this virus due to the interlinked world, aircraft, shipping etc. The only effort, at least for a short while will be to limit the speed of infection to help the NHS cope. I have serious doubts even that will work.

Both Italy and Germany also seem to be struggling with containment measures as well.

Delay - while perhaps a forlorn hope - will hopefully push more people into taking their own bio security seriously.
Face masks (in order to prevent your hands touching your mouth) and repeatedly washing of hands with soap / decent hand gel - which are both good ideas anyway.

Now an enterprising business or two may do face mask patterns. Beard & moustache with a big grin perhaps. Or clean shaven with below the mask you see a beard.
Maybe even a photo of your own face printed on a mask.

The possibilities of making them look different are pretty large.

In this interconnected world - as you say - the chances of stopping a virus that creeps across borders or walks openly invisible among us is impossible.
But with sufficient measures by people themselves - maybe some will avoid catching it.
And they in turn will help shield those who are more at risk.

Depending on whether anyone becomes partly or fully immune to the particular strain of this after having it once, possibly we'll end up with some herd immunity developing in some areas over time. Again protection for those most at risk.

 

[MOIC]

They are far more than 20% effective, iI's just (official) excuses not to use them, whether its cost or something else is unknown (and ridiculous).

Step I.

Check temperatures on all incoming passengers at the major airports. That's the start.

For every 1 infected person that is allowed to enter into the UK, can easily spread 100 in a matter of days . . . . . . multiply that per day.

We have learnt nothing.

 

[MOIC]

Just to add Tencent (A China tech giant) has developed an app where you check your own temperature on your mobile and show it to the guards that are outside EVERY building, office, shopping mall and factory, to speed up the process of entry and exit.

No-one has said that there will not be some sacrifices, but lets not allow the virus to spread without precautions.

Negligence will just be the start of the accusations.

 

[MBE2017]

We have learnt nothing.

Agreed, just had a woman I know let slip something anyone would find hard to believe in the UK. Her job is to check child nursery settings, particularly for cleanliness with the virus having appeared in the area in the last 48hrs.

She inspected a child nursery today, and found a woman’s sanitary towel on the edge of a sink. Even this virus is not enough for basic hygiene to be followed by some.

 

[Mr D]

Just to add Tencent (A China tech giant) has developed an app where you check your own temperature on your mobile and show it to the guards that are outside EVERY building, office, shopping mall and factory, to speed up the process of entry and exit.

No-one has said that there will not be some sacrifices, but lets not allow the virus to spread without precautions.

Negligence will just be the start of the accusations.

This time we may dodge a bullet. Another year we may have much more lethal infection going around.
What we learn now, what we put into practice now, will impact how we start to handle the next bug.

 

[MOIC]

What we learn now, what we put into practice now, will impact how we start to handle the next bug.

That's the point.

China, S Korea & Italy have experienced the spread of the virus.

Let's learn from them, for a start.

 

[Gordon L]

Just to add Tencent (A China tech giant) has developed an app where you check your own temperature on your mobile and show it to the guards that are outside EVERY building, office, shopping mall and factory, to speed up the process of entry and exit.

No-one has said that there will not be some sacrifices, but lets not allow the virus to spread without precautions.

Negligence will just be the start of the accusations.

I think you should wait for a while until passing judgement. These thermal thermometers work 10% of the time (i.e. most people with coronavirus would not be detected, and many people with temperatures are not carrying the virus). Not the 20% you claim. There are plenty of people on a plane who could have the virus but display no symptoms. Arguably testing temperatures with these thermal cameras is just a PR thing; especially in a country where where we don't have the same numbers of personnel as China. What is the point if over 90% of a flight could be carrying the virus and walk straight through?


The joke is China; where such viruses have been emerging for, it is said, over 100 years (even Spanish Flu, it is argued, started there, coming to Europe with the 96,000 Chinese Labourers who helped build our trenches). China lies about its economic growth rate, it has consistently lied about the numbers of those infected, about the real death rates. It tried to cover up/ignore the outbreak. It can build a hospital in 10 days, put a city on lockdown, build islands and imprison Muslims, but it can't police its own food markets - the whole source of this mess.

I have some knowledge of what is happening because one of my friends is Chinese, and has family in Wuhan, who she talks to each day. The reality of coronavirus is considerably worse than is being reported internationally.

 

[MOIC]

I think you should wait for a while until passing judgement.

No need to wait.

I live in China and see what is going on first hand.

I have sales contacts who are 'locked' in their apartment, effectively held prisoner, measures the China government decided on, to contain the virus. (You can argue it's draconian, I certainly would).

The joke is China;

Whilst I agree that information coming out of China is unreliable and self-serving (limiting the impact on the economy as every government will try to do to a greater or lesser extent) calling China a 'Joke' just leads me to believe you simple don't understand China, or it's capabilities.

In many areas, it's far ahead of European countries.

The point being is that China has 2 months experience in trying to contain and combat the virus. let's learn from some of them. Italy seems to have done so, whether you agree with that or not.

UK will eventually follow . . . . . .

 

[MOIC]

Canary Wharf (London).

Keep an eye on developments.

 

[Mr D]

No need to wait.

I live in China and see what is going on first hand.

I have sales contacts who are 'locked' in their apartment, effectively held prisoner, measures the China government decided on, to contain the virus. (You can argue it's draconian, I certainly would).



Whilst I agree that information coming out of China is unreliable and self-serving (limiting the impact on the economy as every government will try to do to a greater or lesser extent) calling China a 'Joke' just leads me to believe you simple don't understand China, or it's capabilities.

In many areas, it's far ahead of European countries.

The point being is that China has 2 months experience in trying to contain and combat the virus. let's learn from some of them. Italy seems to have done so, whether you agree with that or not.

UK will eventually follow . . . . . .

Draconian? Yes. Effective? Probably has some impact. Reducing spread within China? Quite probably.
And knock on effect psychologically. Some can cope with being effectively locked up, some won't do so well. People away from home - relatives staying a couple of nights may be fine, relatives staying 2 months a lot more irritating!

Its likely many governments won't learn enough from other places to take steps.
One of the few exceptions was San Francisco who at least tried to start taking measures - no clue what the story didn't mention - before they had a reported case. After someone infectious wanders around a few days may be too late!

 

[tony84]

It is scary how little people (not the government, but individuals) are doing.

I am a little more cautious than most, im asthmatic and I have a 2 year old. I was at a coffee shop on monday which is the day it kind of became serious over here. There was a bloke who had been in Shanghai and somewhere else and only been back a couple of days. His meeting did not need to be in a public place, it could have been anywhere - private office or even skype - pretty selfish really. I am sure he was fine, but there is a risk the symptoms were just not showing and he could have quite easily avoided that meeting in a public place.

It is those things that will help to delay it in my opinion.

 

[Mr D]

It is scary how little people (not the government, but individuals) are doing.

I am a little more cautious than most, im asthmatic and I have a 2 year old. I was at a coffee shop on monday which is the day it kind of became serious over here. There was a bloke who had been in Shanghai and somewhere else and only been back a couple of days. His meeting did not need to be in a public place, it could have been anywhere - private office or even skype - pretty selfish really. I am sure he was fine, but there is a risk the symptoms were just not showing and he could have quite easily avoided that meeting in a public place.

It is those things that will help to delay it in my opinion.

I have been using a cycling mask for a couple of years when air is very cold or high winds.
I don't care how I look, I'm breathing just fine.
Reduced lung capacity.

People were laughing last year, and first bit of this year. Those same people often asking now where they can get a mask.
A month ago out of thousands of people I saw in a day, just a few had masks on.
Walking the dog a few hours ago around half the people I saw had on masks - and saw probably just over a dozen people.

Wearing them for morale, wearing them to fit in, wearing them because they were badgered by their wife to - regardless, they aren't touching their mouth with their hands while wearing one.

 

[Opinion87]

That seems crazy compared to the grand total of 5 masks I saw in the airport.

 

[MBE2017]

BREAKING NEWS....
Italy reports 769 new cases of coronavirus and 41 new deaths, raising total to 3,858 cases and 148 dead

For anyone thinking my early concerns were over the top, I think not. It was only a two weeks ago it first hit Italy.

 

[MOIC]

Coronavirus Update March 6th:


Official figures for those tested: An additional 2969 infected with the virus yesterday, taking the total tested and infected to 98385.


Total deaths yesterday alone were recorded at 98, taking the total deaths recorded to 3383. Mortality rate is (according to me) at 4.18% based on 'official' figures.


The 'abridged' version:


China infections and death increases rising at lower rates daily. (So they say). Factories still struggling to get 50% of workers back. Wuhan City have patients who have been re-infected. Continued talk of 'imported cases' into China. (Suggesting it's nothing to do with China!)


Europe figures up by over 30% from yesterday. UK in one of their 'phases', not sure anyone knows or understands which one. France has requisitioned all masks. Italy are taking it seriously.


USA figures up by 30%. Trump is (currently) a non-believer. The last thing he wants is a hit on the US economy in the run up to the election.


We live in a polarised world. (As if we didn't know)


Be well, stay safe and take precautions.

 

[tony84]

Those who have returned from "lockdown" areas in northern Italy in the past 14 days are advised to self-isolate regardless of whether they have symptoms.

ADVISED to self isolate.
I realise it might be difficult to enforce, but why not say they may must self isolate.

 

[Newchodge]

ADVISED to self isolate.
I realise it might be difficult to enforce, but why not say they may must self isolate.

Because it is not legally or practically enforceable.

 

[Chris Ashdown]

I have been using a cycling mask for a couple of years when air is very cold or high winds.
I don't care how I look, I'm breathing just fine.
Reduced lung capacity.

People were laughing last year, and first bit of this year. Those same people often asking now where they can get a mask.
A month ago out of thousands of people I saw in a day, just a few had masks on.
Walking the dog a few hours ago around half the people I saw had on masks - and saw probably just over a dozen people.

Wearing them for morale, wearing them to fit in, wearing them because they were badgered by their wife to - regardless, they aren't touching their mouth with their hands while wearing one.

Afraid that's just MrD

If you tell him you have a black cat at home , he will reply he has a black Panther, he knows more experts, millionaires, Reads more books, and is basically a better expert in all things the source of all wisdom

 

[Mr D]

Afraid that's just MrD

If you tell him you have a black cat at home , he will reply he has a black Panther, he knows more experts, millionaires, Reads more books, and is basically a better expert in all things the source of all wisdom

No I would tell you that I have a black cat too.
An old lady now of 14 years old - lovely cat. One of 3 cats we have.

A friendly person over decades gets to know lots of other people. I daresay there are those who I a lifetime only get to know a few people.
We are not all the same.

 

[Stedurham]

Is all this billionaire whistle blower vid kicking around just fake news? Also on g news with the world in g if that makes send they are also claiming way higher figures than you are posting, massively higher

 

[Mr D]

Is all this billionaire whistle blower vid kicking around just fake news? Also on g news with the world in g if that makes send they are also claiming way higher figures than you are posting, massively higher

Perhaps a link would help?

 

[Stedurham]

Only have the videos on phone? Tried to find it but cant on internet guess its fake, but impressive news room if it is haha

 

[Mr D]

Theme parks are due to open this month too, theme parks are surely going to be the biggest breeding ground for the virus.

Good question. Multiple events and shows on, there's plenty of museums, art galleries, arcades etc - will they also not be big breeding places?

 

[Deleted member 59730]

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/corona-virus-engineering-covid19-redruth-3914951

Business moves back to UK.