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thetiger2015 said:
I should have gone back further. I was thinking of the promises made in the 70's and 80's, magazines suggesting that by the year 2,000, we will all be lying on a beach because the machines will do all the tasks for us.

This is the kind of thing that was in my head: -https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ty-pay-new-economics-foundation-a9102446.html

Arguably though, still using your data set, the increase and continual improvement of machines and automation has not seen any real improvement in UK working hours for the majority, on average.

So, all these new machines are coming in. Automated warehousing and picking/packing machines. Automated production lines. Yet, working hours have stayed the largely the same.

Yes, people will change to different sectors or qualify in other areas to move jobs but the speed at which machines are taking over is gathering pace. People are being squeezed in to roles that they never thought they'd have to do. Some people can't squeeze, so they get left behind. The pace of technology is likely catching up to the learning curve of people moving to new jobs and learning new skills.
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You don't consider an hour decrease in 20 years being good?

What you appear to want is reduced working hours. However what some other people want is increased income.
Can both be done together?

And what you have described is very similar to what has been said since the industrial revolution.
Wasn't so many decades ago that people left school and got a job for life. Now outside government work that's a lot rarer.

People find new jobs. Its still possible these days to find work.
 
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thetiger2015 said:
He's the Chancellor, so yes, people do care and take notice of what he says. He's a representative of the UK government and what he says is published in multiple national and international newspapers.

By the same token, why should anyone care or take notice of what Trump says? He's just a bloke too? His tweets seem to kick up a lot of fuss, so....someone must be listening to all those 'blokes'.
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He’s a politician. Sun readers & Jeremy Kyle watchers might still be taken in, but nobody else is.
 
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Scotexit

Just wondered how the Scots feel about 4 years of arguments is the poison dwarf gets her way, now we have experienced just over three years of infighting in the UK

When you consider we still have 11 months of negotiations to absolutely leave and that's as a nation with all its established government departments fully up and running

The Scots on the other hand have far more problems to solve including Defence, Nato, Money to name just a few
 
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Chris Ashdown said:
Scotexit

Just wondered how the Scots feel about 4 years of arguments is the poison dwarf gets her way, now we have experienced just over three years of infighting in the UK

When you consider we still have 11 months of negotiations to absolutely leave and that's as a nation with all its established government departments fully up and running

The Scots on the other hand have far more problems to solve including Defence, Nato, Money to name just a few
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If the Scots get independence you can also expect multiple independence movements to gain traction, pulling away from Edinburgh using the same arguments the SNP use about London.
If Shetlands go who does the local gas belong to? Scotland or the Shetlands? Multiple headaches for the SNP. :)

Still, its good for them. Having to massively grow their civil service while dealing with the loss of jobs as the military moves south.... and figuring out how to afford a squadron of interceptors at each airbase...
Taxes would have to rise despite the SNP denials.
 
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Does anyone still believe that social media wins elections?

"Corbyn’s digital team noted, despite the party’s defeat, the party leader “gained more likes and retweets on 12 December [election day] than UK Labour or Boris Johnson in the entire campaign”.

Huffington Post

Lots of stats and info about how well they did and how everyone saw the content, etc.
 
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NickGrogan said:
Does anyone still believe that social media wins elections?

"Corbyn’s digital team noted, despite the party’s defeat, the party leader “gained more likes and retweets on 12 December [election day] than UK Labour or Boris Johnson in the entire campaign”.

Huffington Post

Lots of stats and info about how well they did and how everyone saw the content, etc.
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Great that they succeeded that way.

Impact on the voting patterns - perhaps they'd have lost by a bigger amount if they hadn't done the social media?
Made no difference in this house regarding voting.
 
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Just under 6 hours to go.

I will admit that there have been times over the past few years that I doubted whether this day would ever arrive.

But it has. Champagne is in the fridge and Union Jack at the ready.

Best wishes everyone.
 
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Scalloway said:
This is only the first step. We are still bound by the same EU regulations as before until 31 December when the final negotiations are due to complete.

So we are in a worse position. Bound by EU laws but zero influence to change them.
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This was known prior to the vote.
So presumably not a shock to anyone.

Now if we can ban fireworks in January once outside the EU....
 
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Clinton said:
Yes, 52% of the population are below average in intelligence ;)

That was in 2016. Now I believe it's something like 63% who are below average.

By 2027, according to experts, 103% of us will have below average IQs.
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I do so hope I’m still alive in 2027, and I’m one of the thickets who was brainwashed into voting remain when all along I shoulda done what’s right for the people
 
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Who are making up the extra 3%, where are they coming from, Both moon and mars have been proven not to have people on them so where are these 3%, should we be worried
 
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Clinton said:
After taking in what's been happening over the last few days ...I'm so glad it's Boris Johnson at the helm at this crucial time rather than Theresa the appeaser.

At last someone with some balls (metaphorically speaking, of course).

The fact that it is winding the Guardian up is just a bonus.

The Tories are taking us away further from the EU, OMG, OMG
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Anything the Guardian disagrees with - probably good enough.
To quote from Yes Prime Minister.
The Guardian is read by people who think they *ought* to run the country.
 
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Clinton said:
After taking in what's been happening over the last few days ...I'm so glad it's Boris Johnson at the helm at this crucial time rather than Theresa the appeaser.

At last someone with some balls (metaphorically speaking, of course).
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Difficult to tell if you're being serious or not.....

What makes you so sure that BoJo is doing what the press are saying he's doing? Why can he not be playing to the crowd while also whispering sweet nothings in the ear of the EU?

Despite all the jubilation and parties in the streets celebrating some sort of victory over Europe, the UK is still bound by regulations and red tape until the end of the year. The effects of Brexit will not be felt for a while yet and even the Brexit Party MPs are not totally convinced that BoJo does as he preaches: https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/ann-widdecombe-on-brexit-day-1-6492149

' She said the Brexit Party would have to continue as a political entity for at least the next year.

"The negotiations are still going on and we need to make sure Boris doesn't get away with anything, that if he's giving stuff away, that the public know that.

"That is absolutely crucial. We've got to hold the government to account in as much as we can for the next year, after that, who knows?"

Why is she worried about him 'giving stuff away'? Does she know something you don't?
 
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thetiger2015 said:
Does she know something you don't?
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She is many things ("Age cannot wither, nor custom stale, her infinite variety!") but stupid she am not!

Question - So what's up for grabs and what does the government absolutely need to bring home?

Answer - Fishing, speedy and frictionless access for goods (esp. food and car-parts) on the one side and financial services and pension, health and residential rights for Brits abroad on the other.

Solution - Give away fishing (again!) allow EU regs to apply to food and parts and use all that as a bargaining chip for financial services. Air traffic, Europol and other joint efforts and joint access structures could be bargained against some or all free movement of labour.

I can hear the wailing and the gnashing of teeth already!
 
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The effects of Brexit will not be felt for a while yet
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Yesterday:

UK retains crown as Fintech investment capital of the EU hitting a new record high (with 3x more investment than what 2nd place Germany got)

Today:

If there's a hard Brexit, Nissan will pull out of the EU altogether and increase presence and investment in the UK

People who've predicted disaster, you folk keeping waiting for this disaster. After all, till that happens you're looking like real muppets.

In the meanwhile, we've got a PM who's got the balls to show Brussels two fingers if they don't play properly, to talk tough, to get tough and to be prepared to walk away rather than let them walk all over us.

That's great news.
 
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Dear Diary - Brexit, day three and still no sign of those locusts.

Mrs. Stoatposture in dockets says that it's the weather. Some chap called Adolf in dispatch says he's going back to Australia. At least I think that's what he said.

The weather is really nasty and some chap in India told me that he is from 'The Microsoft' and asked me if I am sitting in front of my computer. I wasn't but I said yes anyway and he started giving me commands. Then he realised that I was not sitting at a computer and he started screaming and the line went dead.

Roger in accounts is still avoiding me - I think it's this Brexit thing that is worrying him. We are all a bit on edge, not knowing if the fruit and veg at Lidl's will still be there tomorrow.

It's so hard to concentrate on my filing when there's so much worry in the world.
 
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You think that's bad, I had a letter today for a friend of BoJo in works and pensions that they have given me a pension rise of £2.00 as from 1st April, so now I have to fight the wife over how we spend it
 
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The Byre said:
Dear Diary - Brexit, day three and still no sign of those locusts.

Mrs. Stoatposture in dockets says that it's the weather. Some chap called Adolf in dispatch says he's going back to Australia. At least I think that's what he said.

The weather is really nasty and some chap in India told me that he is from 'The Microsoft' and asked me if I am sitting in front of my computer. I wasn't but I said yes anyway and he started giving me commands. Then he realised that I was not sitting at a computer and he started screaming and the line went dead.

Roger in accounts is still avoiding me - I think it's this Brexit thing that is worrying him. We are all a bit on edge, not knowing if the fruit and veg at Lidl's will still be there tomorrow.

It's so hard to concentrate on my filing when there's so much worry in the world.
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I think their navigation systems went a bit off. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csyntr
 
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Clinton said:
Today:

If there's a hard Brexit, Nissan will pull out of the EU altogether and increase presence and investment in the UK

People who've predicted disaster, you folk keeping waiting for this disaster. After all, till that happens you're looking like real muppets.
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Unfortunately this is incorrect, reported in a newspaper, just one of many scenarios Nissan as a large concern will have thought about, they also considered leaving the UK and moving all UK manufacturing into the EU, but end of the day they also declared a WTO Brexit would make either option unviable.

That said it puts as much pressure on the EU as the UK, the UK will survive whatever version of Brexit goes through, the big question is will the EU/Germans deliberately try to hurt the UK with a poor deal, even if it means very large job losses for themselves? I think the answer could be Yes, because if the UK was to thrive, it would hasten the eventual demise of the EU.
 
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I would assume that Germany is out to look after its own interests first and the EU second and whilst it is the bank for the EU and gives it a big say in any action, its population would i guess go inwards to protect itself at the expense of the EU
 
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Dear Diary -

Brexit Day Four and Mrs. Stoatposture said that she thinks the locusts got held up at customs. I'm beginning to wonder about Mrs. Stoatposture. Her first name is Alice.

Roger didn't come to work today and nobody knows where he is. We're a bit low on office manpower right now as both Mrs. Purvis from HR who does the payroll and Mr. Johnson our export manager are on holiday.

At least the country is now looking forward and we seem to have a prime minister who knows what he is doing. I think he must be really clever because when he was mayor of England, he managed all those pay-per-view bicycles. He also has all kinds of interesting ideas and Mr. Grimbling in customer returns told me that he even invented an imaginary island!

He is called Johnson as well but I don't think they are related.

Mr. Grimbling's first name is George. He works all alone in customer returns and keeps the door locked for security.
 
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