£36m given to asylum seekers
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Is this really happening????
Jeez, and I thought Denmark was f**ked.......
Well, we can soon expect more immigrants, after 27 prime ministers signed that agreement in Portugal. Think about it - 27 people can now act on behalf of 500 europeans, without asking the last 499.999.973 others!! They have just replaced the entire European population, and we're paying for it at the same time..... Why shouldn't the immigrants come to the lands of milk and honey.......
God save us
Brian
Jeez, and I thought Denmark was f**ked.......
Well, we can soon expect more immigrants, after 27 prime ministers signed that agreement in Portugal. Think about it - 27 people can now act on behalf of 500 europeans, without asking the last 499.999.973 others!! They have just replaced the entire European population, and we're paying for it at the same time..... Why shouldn't the immigrants come to the lands of milk and honey.......
God save us
Brian
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alexft
My `objection` is the fact that it was posted in a general business forum, instead say time out - general non business chat 
The questions raised here are not easy to answer and answers become political and personal like it or not, such as lazy government, indigenous people versus `new comers` etc. I am not saying that I disagree or agree with the sentiment per se. What I am saying - general business forum is not the best place for such discussion to take place.
When I said closed and deleted that was over the top I admit that. So it the yellow press headlines.
Anyway I am going to drink tea
Regards,
Alex.
The questions raised here are not easy to answer and answers become political and personal like it or not, such as lazy government, indigenous people versus `new comers` etc. I am not saying that I disagree or agree with the sentiment per se. What I am saying - general business forum is not the best place for such discussion to take place.
When I said closed and deleted that was over the top I admit that. So it the yellow press headlines.
Anyway I am going to drink tea
Regards,
Alex.
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Newspapers like The Daily Mail highlight issues which tree-hugging pussies just can't see (or point blank refuse to)...
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RayB
Agreed - with hindsight "Time Out" would have been a good choice - but hardly a reason for this thread to:My `objection` is the fact that it was posted in a general business forum, instead say time out - general non business chat
IMO - yes they are!
I disagree, this can all be sorted with an injection of common sense
Where else should we discuss it?
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This book on waste is good, and you could read it over Christmas if you don't get too wasted, what with all that bingeing going to your waist.
Did you know that the money our Blessed Rulers are saving by pissing off Plod would run the NHS..for 3 hours. Bad bargain. 'Spose Gordo thinks he saved dosh by going East Jet to Lisbon, and this makes up for arriving late. Need head squeezing, all of them*.
*From the immortal words of Jack Regan in The 'Sweeny': "When I want sh*t from you, I'll squeeze your head".
Did you know that the money our Blessed Rulers are saving by pissing off Plod would run the NHS..for 3 hours. Bad bargain. 'Spose Gordo thinks he saved dosh by going East Jet to Lisbon, and this makes up for arriving late. Need head squeezing, all of them*.
*From the immortal words of Jack Regan in The 'Sweeny': "When I want sh*t from you, I'll squeeze your head".
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Seddo
The Daily Mail writes to and exploits the fears of people who cant think for themselves, follow the slave or herd mentality if you wish, but lets not pretend it a newspaper of any merit.
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Dawg
Forgive me if I'm wrong Sedders, but I presume you are a Guardian and/or an Independent reader: thus probably you would think of yourself as a liberal; of the left.
You are happy to write off vast swathes of the population, (readers of The Mail, The Express, The Sun), as been stupid beyond redemption, having the instincts of lower animals etc.
Might this show a certain lack of compassion, an absence of doubt, an almost narcissistic self belief, incompatible with democracy, and post enlightenment civilisation?
I quite agree with you. Sod the smellies. Try not to even breed with them eh?
You are happy to write off vast swathes of the population, (readers of The Mail, The Express, The Sun), as been stupid beyond redemption, having the instincts of lower animals etc.
Might this show a certain lack of compassion, an absence of doubt, an almost narcissistic self belief, incompatible with democracy, and post enlightenment civilisation?
I quite agree with you. Sod the smellies. Try not to even breed with them eh?
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Seddo
The Daily Mail knows its market very well, they write for, and to, their market they give their readers what they want , simple black and white views lacking much of the complexity of real life. When I have read the Daily Mail this is the thing I notice. Read it by all means and view it as serious journalism if you wish, that's your choice, I view it differently. You pays your money you takes your choice.
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RayB
EXAMPLE PLEASE
(or are you just Gordon Brown in disguise, fishing for love?)
OK - joking apart - you put across a very one sided argument - with zero to back it up so far..............
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I read the Daily Mail - I also make sure I read other papers as well! Makes for a more balanced appreciation of any story (and, by that, I mean through reading more than one of any paper). Reading only one news source isn't the greatest way to actually have an appreciation of what is happening.
Thing is, does the Daily Mail fire righteous indignation in the masses or reflect it?? :|
Thing is, does the Daily Mail fire righteous indignation in the masses or reflect it?? :|
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Seddo
One may let them eat cake. (if I can have the contract to make the cake)
Forgive me if I'm wrong Sedders, but I presume you are a Guardian and/or an Independent reader: thus probably you would think of yourself as a liberal; of the left.
You are happy to write off vast swathes of the population, (readers of The Mail, The Express, The Sun), as been stupid beyond redemption, having the instincts of lower animals etc.
Might this show a certain lack of compassion, an absence of doubt, an almost narcissistic self belief, incompatible with democracy, and post enlightenment civilisation?
I quite agree with you. Sod the smellies. Try not to even breed with them eh?
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RayB
Agreed - I read them all online (but the Daily Mail is most in line with my personal thoughts - admitted)
BUT - Seddo said this (without backing it up):
I would like an answer, backed up with examples.............
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The best answer I can give, is that all journalism is subjective not objective and a singular truth doesn't exist but truths do. If you read the DM and it fits your world view, fair enough, when I have read the DM it just seems simplistic to me. It isnt important enough an issue to me to start searching the web for articles critical of the DM's journalistic standards. I hope this is good enough of an answer for you, if not, what can I say.
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The best answer I can give, is that all journalism is subjective not objective and a singular truth doesn't exist but truths do. If you read the DM and it fits your world view, fair enough, when I have read the DM it just seems simplistic to me. It isnt important enough an issue to me to start searching the web for articles critical of the DM's journalistic standards. I hope this is good enough of an answer for you, if not, what can I say.
Totally agreed
But facts are facts - whatever way you dress them up
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Alice3537
But facts are facts - whatever way you dress them up
Until you take beliefs and perception into account! After you do that facts take on whole new meanings!
(Please don't argue back. I think I know what I mean, but that may not be based in fact! I may, indeed, have no idea what I mean!!
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Seddo
I guess in the end most people, whether immigrants or not simply want a better life for themselves and their families.
Totally agreed
But facts are facts - whatever way you dress them up
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Alice3537
Well, that encompasses economic migration as much as asylum seekers (probably more so in some respects) so I don't see where that comment fits in to the original reference or debate?
(Mind you, I read the first two or three pages, went out for a while and picked up the the last couple, so may have missed a thread evolution!!)
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A more important issue right now is not to improve things, but to stop them deteriorating further.
Ever increasing taxation.
Hospitals that kill rather than cure.
An education system that produces illiterates.
Out of control youth who stab each other in the streets.
To name but a few.
That's going to take quite some effort, and a good number of years before we can even dream of the better life you refer to.
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Oh, come on. So, the government spends a few million here for asylum seekers and wastes a few billion there of the money contributed by future retirees. What's the big deal? They have a bottomless pit called the taxpayer. All they have to do is plead poverty and raise taxes on everyone.
Prediction: the government will soon claim they must raise taxes. It's so easy for them to do so when the money's out there and no-one can stop them from stealing it.
Prediction: the government will soon claim they must raise taxes. It's so easy for them to do so when the money's out there and no-one can stop them from stealing it.
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(Please don't argue back. I think I know what I mean, but that may not be based in fact! I may, indeed, have no idea what I mean!!
Which puts you miles ahead of Gordon Brown on the "I'm qualified to run the Country" stakes..................
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maybe a slight deterioration for you and I but maybe a great improvement for the billions who live on a dollar a day.
I could employ 500 people for a year for the price of a decent car.in Rwanda.
Earl
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maybe a slight deterioration for you and I but maybe a great improvement for the billions who live on a dollar a day.
I could employ 500 people for a year for the price of a decent car.in Rwanda.
Earl
Earl - I agree with you 101% - but surely that is a different topic (and thread)?
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Forget governments offering those in need: They always screw it up and waste millions on bureaucracy. The real question is "what do you, as a very wealthy individual in relative terms, do to help those in need?" Expecting the government to do something is a cop-out.
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If everyone does not like the way in which our governement is handling asylum seeksers, immigration and more why dont you just vote someone into power who is willing to deal with this matter for the benefit of you British folk!
Rule out labour and conservative for starters.
Rule out labour and conservative for starters.
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