Maybe the health secretary has more information than you have.
The point made was relevant to the discussion, which you may take any side you want and let that affect your judgement.
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If numbers don’t go up.
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People keep saying this, or similar. The evidence keeps piling up that they are wrong.
The model that was used to justify the lockdown has been discredited.
Other epidemiologists (like Sunetra Gupta) do not expect a second wave.
There are studies showing that a far greater proportion of the population is resistant (people who have had it or a related coronavirus that gives them some degree of cross-immunity) then previously thought.
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Not round here they aren’t! I can’t speak for those with health issues, but I live in a cul-de-sac surrounded by loads of other bungalows where it’s mostly the elderly- 70+. They’re out & about all over the place believe you me!
I think many old people are quite stubborn & don’t like being told what to do.
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But the health secretary has already been proven to be a big fibber!
What else has he lied about, or was it just the once?
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Hold it hold it - ok let’s look at this logically Newchodge then review your original comment and see how silly it looks you silly sausage.
I am advocating the drop in numbers and C19 clearing up despite ease of lockdown and despite you earlier in this thread (first few pages) saying ‘o this is only week one and the incubation period is two weeks blah blah’ well where are these incubated people? Hospitals empty and tiny numbers of elderly people with underlying health problems dying that would have died soon anyway.
No new transport workers dying recently despite being massively exposed to masses of people- same with health workers etc - come on wake up.
Anyway back to the point - Your health secretary said and I quote ‘coronavirus is in full retreat in the UK’ and I used it in a post about the coronavirus being in full retreat! Errr c’mon.
If you were in a room full of people discussing this point you would have been laughed out of the room... fact. Am I right or wrong? Be honest.
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So why do you think it is going down despite easing of the lockdown? You've said you don't believe it's because of social distancing or people keeping better hygiene. So what is causing the drop?
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They aren't the truly vulnerable and regardless going out individually or as pairs all over the place BUT observing social distancing is very safe IMO
Put them all together on a coach trip to Skegness or at the Bingo Hall and then you've got a problem
The things these people used to do socially together as groups have just stopped
I know hoteliers who rely entirely on coach trips of pensioners to be viable businesses. All stopped in their tracks.
When will it be safe for those kind of group coach holidays to start again I wonder?
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Does it really matter?
Does anyone really know?
This virus has got us all guessing and coming out with our own conclusions, theories, remedies etc etc.
The truth is that it's all unknown.
NOBODY knows.
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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/risk-second-wave-very-real-18385756
According to this only 4 per cent of UK population has had Covid and threat of second wave a very real one
That's an article published today from Imperial College London
"Speaking on a telephone briefing on Monday, study author Dr Seth Flaxman, of Imperial College London, said: “We’re just at the beginning of the epidemic.
“We’re very far from herd immunity, with only between 3% and 4% of the population infected.
“The risk of a second wave happening, if all intervention and all precautions are abandoned, is very real.
“We would all love to be able to go back to normal life pre-pandemic, with children back at school, being able to see loved ones whenever we want, but our results suggest that precautions remain necessary.”
He added: “Claims that this is all over, that we’ve reached the herd immunity threshold can be firmly rejected by our estimates and by independent studies."
I take it they are people you are discrediting?
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Yes, I think it does matter - people having ideas and thoughts not based on anything and then influencing others is quite a dangerous thing. James obviously doesn't know what he's on about and enjoys to spout on about stuff but can't back anything up - he's someone that in a group of people would talk over them and they start believing what he says. Then more people start believing even though it's not based on anything - bit like how conspiracy theories stay around.
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From imperial college, presumably from the team the who produced the now discredited model?
Other researchers have much higher estimates of infection rates:
https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/...-already-been-infected-by-the-covid-19-virus/
https://unherd.com/2020/05/oxford-doubles-down-sunetra-gupta-interview/
and on top of that there is cross-immunity.
Then there is the usual tendency of a virus to evolve to be less dangerous.
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Who will know why there are less deaths and people contracting the virus? Most people know that part - social distancing/better hygiene/lockdown etc.
Why there are less now even with the easing? Same as the above.
James thinks they are going down but it's not related to social distancing or lockdown - think only James will know why that is but he refuses to tell us why he think that.
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At last a chink in your armour - you are human after all, for a minute there I thought you were a bot sent back in time and were only conditioned and programmed to send out negative vibrations..
Your more than welcome I have a seat especially outside for you and a zorb ball to protect you from our slightly clumsy barmaid Daisy (was going to say Newchodge but better not ay) in case she accidentally bumps into you. Now what drink can I get you? (I only have corona at mo but should be getting a delivery later)
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I think it's unreliable to take on board any information that's been given, especially with regards to the % who have it, have had it, will get it (whether now or later) and especially how it will be contained.
One thing is for sure. the UK government are no in control. All the 5pm 'briefings' are there for, is to show what 'good things' they are trying to implement. People saw through that long ago.
This winter will be a warning to all if they don't get their act together.
There is an element within the UK public that cannot see this virus for what it is.
Deadly infectious, unlike anything else experience in the past 100 years.
Take it lightly at your peril.
How controlling it affects the economy is a different argument.
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