If numbers don’t go up.

[alan1302]

77 deaths yesterday and lowest hospital admissions.

O no - please don’t say give it two more weeks.

Give it two more weeks

Sunday figures tend to be the lowest though - good to see they are coming down still though. It's what we want.

 

[Forgot password]

It's a Sunday

New Zealand have had a total of 1,134 infections and 22 deaths

As a result of strict lockdown from the start.

And now they have zero cases and zero deaths

Now they can live normal lives again pretty much albeit with closed borders

But I guess if they hadn't had a strict lockdown they could have kept social distancing in place much longer and keep the disease in the country and keep the infections coming

Now they are in a way stronger position than the rest of us

Lowest Sunday yet - can’t you see a pattern? Like I said before use your own eyes and ears stop being scared witless. Your all doom and gloom - Blimey I bet your a barrel of laughs on a night out which by the way will be the 22nd of June... fancy a beer?

 

[alan1302]

Lowest Sunday yet - can’t you see a pattern? Like I said before use your own eyes and ears stop being scared witless. Your all doom and gloom - Blimey I bet your a barrel of laughs on a night out which by the way will be the 22nd of June... fancy a beer?

Yet, you are too easy going about it without fully understanding it.

 

[Forgot password]

Get with the program Al I told you already.

Don’t believe everything your told. Needs a few of us to rush the enemy lines otherwise we will be behind the rock your cowering behind until we curl up and die.

 

[alan1302]

Get with the program Al I told you already.

Don’t believe everything your told. Needs a few of us to rush the enemy lines otherwise we will be behind the rock your cowering behind until we curl up and die.

Get with the program - who uses words like that - are you in marketing?

Don't dismiss everything you are told either - people that rush in without a thought are always the fools.

 

[Forgot password]

It’s ok Al we understand, don’t worry we will look after you all will be fine..

Now let’s have a look at a non weekend days death figures as obviously Sundays didn’t fit you guys agenda- right then what we got today oh 55 and none in Scotland and lowest infection rate since lockdown o I see.

Will you come to the pub with us on the 22nd? I will get them in don’t worry.

 

[alan1302]

It’s ok Al we understand, don’t worry we will look after you all will be fine..

Now let’s have a look at a non weekend days death figures as obviously Sundays didn’t fit you guys agenda- right then what we got today oh 55 and none in Scotland and lowest infection rate since lockdown o I see.

Will you come to the pub with us on the 22nd? I will get them in don’t worry.

James - I don't need you to look after me - I will be fine. Will let the guinea pigs out for a week or two and when the queues have gone will do what I want to do.

 

[Forgot password]

I could have written that for you.

 

[alan1302]

I could have written that for you.

You know when people don't have the first clue about the coronavirus and what effect it can have and what it does when they can't discuss anything properly - like yourself you go on about going to the pub and making put yourself as being brave and being great because you'll be in a queue to be in a pub - when you are just clueless and don't understand.

 

[MikeJ]

It's a Sunday

New Zealand have had a total of 1,134 infections and 22 deaths

As a result of strict lockdown from the start.

And now they have zero cases and zero deaths

Now they can live normal lives again pretty much albeit with closed borders

But I guess if they hadn't had a strict lockdown they could have kept social distancing in place much longer and keep the disease in the country and keep the infections coming

Now they are in a way stronger position than the rest of us

Who'd have thought a remote country with a population density under 10% of the UK's that isn't a major transit hub for international travellers would have got away with a pandemic so well...

 

[fisicx]

Now let’s have a look at a non weekend days death figures as obviously Sundays didn’t fit you guys agenda- right then what we got today oh 55 and none in Scotland and lowest infection rate since lockdown o I see.

Which only goes to prove the measures in place are working.

 

[Forgot password]

You know when people don't have the first clue about the coronavirus and what effect it can have and what it does when they can't discuss anything properly - like yourself you go on about going to the pub and making put yourself as being brave and being great because you'll be in a queue to be in a pub - when you are just clueless and don't understand.

Calm down Al, remember your blood pressure. Don’t let me live in your head for to long it’s not good for you.

Now then please enlighten us on the effects of the coronavirus as maybe I missed something this year.

Please stay on topic and the fact despite mass gatherings and more people mixing in the last 3.5 weeks since ease of lockdown that numbers are going down and please don’t say they are all keeping 2m apart and the more they do the more people seem to be pushing the boundaries and death and infections going down. Please explain that as you are obviously the go to expert and authority on C19 not the clueless one. Let’s hear it.

 

[fisicx]

Please stay on topic and the fact despite mass gatherings and more people mixing in the last 3.5 weeks since ease of lockdown that numbers are going down and please don’t say they are all keeping 2m apart and the more they do the more people seem to be pushing the boundaries and death and infections going down.

And that’s because those at risk are staying at home.

 

[Annoying Donkey]

They are about to go back to business as normal. They've eradicated the virus by all accounts. But to do so they had to implement a very firm and early lockdown and close their borders.

Not quite. NZ relies a lot on tourism, especially from China.

 

[Forgot password]

But there sons/daughters are going out and potentially bringing the virus back in. I am surprised at the amount of elderly people out and about that are touching many surfaces including petrol pumps tube and bus rails, brushing passed people in shops etc.

C’mon you can’t tell me numbers should be going down since the easing of lockdown with what you see around you everyday. Surely they should be going up?

Its obvious it was never as virulent as first thought or its losing its power as witnessed worldwide.

Now before you start I am not saying we should not have taken the measures we did as no one knew the impact and we had to err on the side of caution but now as we are pushing forward and not seeing the rise in numbers my original point stands.

 

[Interestedobserver]

You know when people don't have the first clue about the coronavirus and what effect it can have and what it does when they can't discuss anything properly - like yourself you go on about going to the pub and making put yourself as being brave and being great because you'll be in a queue to be in a pub - when you are just clueless and don't understand.

Not quite. NZ relies a lot on tourism, especially from China.

Yes but their everyday life is now back to normal. They can go into bars and restaurants. They can play contact sport.

Give me that every day of the week compared to lockdown and what we face.

The posters on here who are/were against lockdown don't seem to realise that eased lockdown is really still lockdown

Had those same guys had their way in place in New Zealand then right now New Zealand would still have to have restrictions in place because they wouldn't have eradicated the disease

 

[Interestedobserver]

But there sons/daughters are going out and potentially bringing the virus back in. I am surprised at the amount of elderly people out and about that are touching many surfaces including petrol pumps tube and bus rails, brushing passed people in shops etc.

C’mon you can’t tell me numbers should be going down since the easing of lockdown with what you see around you everyday. Surely they should be going up?

Its obvious it was never as virulent as first thought or its losing its power as witnessed worldwide.

Now before you start I am not saying we should not have taken the measures we did as no one knew the impact and we had to err on the side of caution but now as we are pushing forward and not seeing the rise in numbers my original point stands.

We are still in lockdown - lets not pretend we aren't?

 

[Forgot password]

Maybe where you live but have you been to the Asian suburbs of Birmingham or West Yorkshire or do you go anywhere near central London even on a protest?

I really think you need to get out on the ground if you dare to make a real judgement of things.

There is a massive difference between the narrative of what your shown through the media and real life.

As I have constantly said through this thread use your own eyes and ears otherwise you will lose them.

 

[Interestedobserver]

Maybe where you live but have you been to the Asian suburbs of Birmingham or West Yorkshire or do you go anywhere near central London even on a protest?

I really think you need to get out on the ground if you dare to make a real judgement of things.

There is a massive difference between the narrative of what your shown through the media and real life.

As I have constantly said through this thread use your own eyes and ears otherwise you will lose them.

We can't go inside pubs or restaurants
We can't go in a stadium to watch sport
We have to be quarantined to come back into our own country
We can't go inside other peoples houses
We can't play contact sport
We can't get our hair cut
We can only get emergency treatment at a dentists

We are still well and truly in lockdown and there's no point pretending otherwise

We are relying on the above restrictions simply to be allowed to do what we can now do

You are brainwashed if you don't think we are still in lockdown

And if the figures go up at any stage the lockdown will get more severe

 

[Forgot password]

There will NOT be a second spike. No other country worldwide has had one. Unless of course @GOVUK manipulates deaths from other causes and labels them as covid deaths like they've already been doing from day 1.

Also all the above you mentioned is basically people gathering or mixing doesn’t matter where it is. This is happening on a massive scale whether you like it or not. Now when we rewind this post to about 3 weeks ago you were a leading voice shouting and screaming about the inevitable spike that in your opinion should have been 10 days ago ish. I suppose your pushing that back too.

My point is if you were a betting man and could have hovered above the UK when my man Boris eased the lockdown and each person was represented as a red dot and you saw these dots spreading out quickly and bumping into each other then as you rightly screamed a massive second spike is weeks away (3.5 weeks ago to be accurate) and never despite this would there be a downward trend in numbers - no way how could there be all these people on beaches in shops using cars/tubes/buses garden parties same toilets ... at least it numbers should be staying roughly the same or going slightly higher surely?

Matty Hancock today - Coronavirus is in full retreat across the UK

 

[Aniela]

There will NOT be a second spike. No other country worldwide has had one. Unless of course @GOVUK manipulates deaths from other causes and labels them as covid deaths like they've already been doing from day 1.

Also all the above you mentioned is basically people gathering or mixing doesn’t matter where it is. This is happening on a massive scale whether you like it or not. Now when we rewind this post to about 3 weeks ago you were a leading voice shouting and screaming about the inevitable spike that in your opinion should have been 10 days ago ish. I suppose your pushing that back too.

My point is if you were a betting man and could have hovered above the UK when my man Boris eased the lockdown and each person was represented as a red dot and you saw these dots spreading out quickly and bumping into each other then as you rightly screamed a massive second spike is weeks away (3.5 weeks ago to be accurate) and never despite this would there be a downward trend in numbers - no way how could there be all these people on beaches in shops using cars/tubes/buses garden parties same toilets ... at least it numbers should be staying roughly the same or going slightly higher surely?

Matty Hancock today - Coronavirus is in full retreat across the UK

We wont see a second large spike of deaths because all the truly vulnerable people are still in 100% lockdown. Lockdown has only be eased on the non-vulnerable people.

 

[gpietersz]

We can't go inside pubs or restaurants
We can't go in a stadium to watch sport
We have to be quarantined to come back into our own country
We can't go inside other peoples houses
We can't play contact sport
We can't get our hair cut
We can only get emergency treatment at a dentists

A lot of those are unenforceable and are widely flouted.

Self isolation on entering the country, but not for the rest of your household and enforced with random checks by public health authorities who we all know have lots of people to spare to do it.

We can't go into other people's houses, but we can go into their gardens for a barbecue or something else outdoors and go in to use the loo.

Non-essential shops are open, protests are allowed, more travel is allowed, there are more people in town and city centres in general, more people going into work.

Just looking at people and traffic in my street it is far closer to normal than to the height of the lockdown.

 

[Interestedobserver]

There will NOT be a second spike. No other country worldwide has had one. Unless of course @GOVUK manipulates deaths from other causes and labels them as covid deaths like they've already been doing from day 1.

Also all the above you mentioned is basically people gathering or mixing doesn’t matter where it is. This is happening on a massive scale whether you like it or not. Now when we rewind this post to about 3 weeks ago you were a leading voice shouting and screaming about the inevitable spike that in your opinion should have been 10 days ago ish. I suppose your pushing that back too.

My point is if you were a betting man and could have hovered above the UK when my man Boris eased the lockdown and each person was represented as a red dot and you saw these dots spreading out quickly and bumping into each other then as you rightly screamed a massive second spike is weeks away (3.5 weeks ago to be accurate) and never despite this would there be a downward trend in numbers - no way how could there be all these people on beaches in shops using cars/tubes/buses garden parties same toilets ... at least it numbers should be staying roughly the same or going slightly higher surely?

Matty Hancock today - Coronavirus is in full retreat across the UK

Can you find a post where I predicted a second wave or spike in a few weeks anywhere?

I've said all along we get away with stuff whilst the mixing is outside. Others have focussed on second spikes. I just keep saying we are still in lockdown actually.

My point to you is even with the mixing we are still in lockdown and once the winter comes then we have problems as people will no longer be happy to mix on beaches and in parks and in gardens. Or eat and drink outside bars and restaurants as they will no doubt be allowed to do soon.

My point is you talk like we are beating Covid and we are coming out of the lockdown

It's beyond any debate that Covid is way less catchable outside. 20 times ish less likely to be passed on. That's the only reason we are where we are. People are outside now doing their meetings etc. Schools are doing lessons outside. I wonder if that was why they had the rush to get kids back at school? So they could teach them outside?

Regardless - all we've done is put Covid on hold for a while and what we are now allowed to do is still very much lockdown and nothing to be excited about? What are you excited about doing that you couldn't do before exactly?

To avoid a second wave or spike we will need a vaccine before the winter or we will need more severe lockdown in the winter. We aren't going to see any more relaxation of any real worth to the economy without a vaccine.

We may actually not need more strict lockdown in the winter but instead just have to continue with the existing rules but then people realise these rules are a nightmare when it's cold and wet? See how many people are walking to work or riding their bikes to work in the winter.

The recent relaxation in rules really does very little to help the economy. All it does is stop as many people getting furloughed for as much money as when we started and makes business owners choose who to bring back and who to let go

Hospitality, travel, hotels, sports clubs all still in a dire situation under the so called relaxed lockdown.

Sport for 99 per cent of us stopped in its tracks

All we have achieved is to pause a battle nothing else

And we just happen to be lucky at the moment our "eased lockdown" co-incide with nice weather

Stop talking like we are winning the battle. Weve just bought ourselves a bit of time. Covid is lurking at every corner and we get allowed to do very little compared to normal in the bigger picture.

 

[Interestedobserver]

A lot of those are unenforceable and are widely flouted.

Self isolation on entering the country, but not for the rest of your household and enforced with random checks by public health authorities who we all know have lots of people to spare to do it.

We can't go into other people's houses, but we can go into their gardens for a barbecue or something else outdoors and go in to use the loo.

Non-essential shops are open, protests are allowed, more travel is allowed, there are more people in town and city centres in general, more people going into work.

Just looking at people and traffic in my street it is far closer to normal than to the height of the lockdown.

How does any of what you describe above we can now do help the economy in any significant way compared to the normal world?

It's still totally catastrophic for entire sectors of the economy

And we are still balanced on the edge of controlling Covid having gained very little if you are being honest?

And it's not that we've beaten Covid. Weve just put it on pause.

You know that deep down.

 

[Forgot password]

Can you find a post where I predicted a second wave or spike in a few weeks anywhere?

I've said all along we get away with stuff whilst the mixing is outside. Others have focussed on second spikes. I just keep saying we are still in lockdown actually.

My point to you is even with the mixing we are still in lockdown and once the winter comes then we have problems as people will no longer be happy to mix on beaches and in parks and in gardens. Or eat and drink outside bars and restaurants as they will no doubt be allowed to do soon.

My point is you talk like we are beating Covid and we are coming out of the lockdown

It's beyond any debate that Covid is way less catchable outside. 20 times ish less likely to be passed on. That's the only reason we are where we are. People are outside now doing their meetings etc. Schools are doing lessons outside. I wonder if that was why they had the rush to get kids back at school? So they could teach them outside?

Regardless - all we've done is put Covid on hold for a while and what we are now allowed to do is still very much lockdown and nothing to be excited about? What are you excited about doing that you couldn't do before exactly?

To avoid a second wave or spike we will need a vaccine before the winter or we will need more severe lockdown in the winter. We aren't going to see any more relaxation of any real worth to the economy without a vaccine.

We may actually not need more strict lockdown in the winter but instead just have to continue with the existing rules but then people realise these rules are a nightmare when it's cold and wet? See how many people are walking to work or riding their bikes to work in the winter.

The recent relaxation in rules really does very little to help the economy. All it does is stop as many people getting furloughed for as much money as when we started and makes business owners choose who to bring back and who to let go

Hospitality, travel, hotels, sports clubs all still in a dire situation under the so called relaxed lockdown.

Sport for 99 per cent of us stopped in its tracks

All we have achieved is to pause a battle nothing else

And we just happen to be lucky at the moment our "eased lockdown" co-incide with nice weather

Stop talking like we are winning the battle. Weve just bought ourselves a bit of time. Covid is lurking at every corner and we get allowed to do very little compared to normal in the bigger picture.

 

[Forgot password]

Ok let's discuss this again in a couple of weeks time

There you go. May 17th

The Government and authorities worldwide that you follow without question have said unilaterally that we are beating this thing so up to you if you don’t want to believe it.

 

[Interestedobserver]

There you go. May 17th

The Government and authorities worldwide that you follow without question have said unilaterally that we are beating this thing so up to you if you don’t want to believe it.

There you go. May 17th

The Government and authorities worldwide that you follow without question have said unilaterally that we are beating this thing so up to you if you don’t want to believe it.

Your first point:
I asked you to show me where I said there would be a second spike in a few weeks time? All I've said there is let's discuss again in a couple of weeks time?

I stick by everything I say. We are nowhere near to being in control of Covid. Covid is in control of everything we do.

Point 2:
GENEVA (Reuters) - The World Health Organization (WHO) urged countries on Monday to press on with efforts to contain the novel coronavirus, noting the pandemic was worsening globally

We've got our own politicians right now being questioned about our R number and having to justify easing restrictions etc. Weve got Covid increasing in Florida and Texas and looking dangerous in the North of England

And it's the summer and we've barely relaxed anything at all?

Everything in our favour

Ps why do you think the government has employed 25,000 people to do track and trace

If we've only got 50 people dying each day?

Surely we don't need anybody to do stuff like that. Weve got this well and truly beaten?

 

[Forgot password]

So yes we are beating it and coming out of lockdown that’s why I talk like that because it’s fact. Not my choice just pure fact.

Reading back through the thread to find the evidence that you sort of predicted a 2nd spike ie saying let’s talk again in two weeks as if things would be a catastrophic zombie apocalypse is quite obvious even though you are such a fench sitter and don’t commit and your a doom and gloom merchant quoting one of your lines as ‘I feel the sky is falling in’

Cheer up have a beer go out, enjoy the pub when it re-opens and change your mind to a positive outlook and you will be amazed how better you will feel.

 

[alan1302]

Calm down Al, remember your blood pressure. Don’t let me live in your head for to long it’s not good for you.

Now then please enlighten us on the effects of the coronavirus as maybe I missed something this year.

Please stay on topic and the fact despite mass gatherings and more people mixing in the last 3.5 weeks since ease of lockdown that numbers are going down and please don’t say they are all keeping 2m apart and the more they do the more people seem to be pushing the boundaries and death and infections going down. Please explain that as you are obviously the go to expert and authority on C19 not the clueless one. Let’s hear it.

Believe me, you are not in my head - you aren't important enough for that.

Figures are going down due to lockdown, due to people keep apart from each other, due to keeping their hands cleaner, not being in places likes cafes & pubs, due to people knowing what they should and should not be doing - that is why it keeps going down.

It going down should be seen as a good thing.

 

[Forgot password]

I would have believed you Al if you hadn’t replied ‘again’

 

[alan1302]

I would have believed you Al if you hadn’t replied ‘again’

Jim, you would not believe anything you don't want to believe.

 

[Forgot password]

Ooh I love having my own fanboy

Now then professor Chris witty or should I say professor Rodney Trotter let’s hear your explanation of the coronavirus and it’s effects as you say I have no idea so I need to be enlightened.

Waiting hurry

 

[alan1302]

Ooh I love having my own fanboy

Now then professor Chris witty or should I say professor Rodney Trotter let’s hear your explanation of the coronavirus and it’s effects as you say I have no idea so I need to be enlightened.

Waiting hurry

After all the reports in the news on a daily basis you don't know what it does?

Here you go:

https://medium.com/@agarwalhriday/coronavirus-for-dummies-2fbe1283a601

 

[Forgot password]

Exactly- proved my point perfectly. Can’t do it can you?

Not your fault don’t worry your just inexperienced and not had many life lessons yet..

You remind me of one of those Dads on a Sunday morning on the side of a football pitch shouting out one line negative comments like ‘o why play him up front’ or ‘useless the kids useless’ and not actually taking any responsibility for managing or coaching or helping out behind the scenes.

Why don’t you give us something? Start a debatable thread even if it’s controversial or some business insight that will aid people.

Stop the immature sarky sideline comments that you appear to do constantly on this forum not just this thread and contribute something with substance. Bet you can’t.

And to be honest Al that’s the best bit of advice you will get and I hope it helps.

No doubt you will want the last word as all kids do so say your piece and come for a beer with me anytime as I say I will buy.

 

[alan1302]

Exactly- proved my point perfectly. Can’t do it can you?

To be honest, Jim - no idea what you are on about. Maybe you've had a few too many drinks already thinking about all that beer?

 

[Interestedobserver]

So yes we are beating it and coming out of lockdown that’s why I talk like that because it’s fact. Not my choice just pure fact.

Reading back through the thread to find the evidence that you sort of predicted a 2nd spike ie saying let’s talk again in two weeks as if things would be a catastrophic zombie apocalypse is quite obvious even though you are such a fench sitter and don’t commit and your a doom and gloom merchant quoting one of your lines as ‘I feel the sky is falling in’

Cheer up have a beer go out, enjoy the pub when it re-opens and change your mind to a positive outlook and you will be amazed how better you will feel.

I'm very happy and with a very realistic view IMO of what we will face and planning accordingly. I would only be kidding myself if I thought differently. I research and read up the latest around the world every day so I know what to expect next. People who think this is just going to go away IMO are the ones who long term won't be happy when it doesn't.

So don't worry about me. I'd rather drink great drinks and eat great food safe and sound from a beautiful garden outside with a Jacuzzi and select friends at a distance than be inside a pub for a year or two. Nice walks and bike rides where I live along the canal. And gourmet food available as take out. Got all the bikes. Got the picnic hampers. It will be a great summer.

Spending my overseas holiday money for this year and next on my garden and all the best stuff to put inside it. And I'm expecting to spend far more time enjoying it than I ever could take holidays when the economy was normal.

I've had to adapt my businesses very quickly to deal with the issues we all face. My industry sectors are hospitality. No point pretending it's going to be ok anytime soon. So I have to plan accordingly.

Don't worry about me. I will be fine. I worry about others who I feel have their head in the sand.

If it's better than I expect then even better.

Winter concerns me more because we won't enjoy the garden as much and the other options won't be great IMO. But we will get through that and then it will be summer again.

 

[localmirage]

Sorry to come in late but people can talk about the current R rate (which is only as good as the number and quality of testing) and how the current measures being taken by The Government in relationship to lockdown may be affecting the spread of Covid but you will only really see the bottom line result in the death rate which would typically come 2 weeks later.

My point is, the measures are being relaxed, the weather is not as nice so, as interestedobserver was saying, people may be more reluctant to be outside and in turn more likely to break the rules now there is more of a feeling everything is going to be ok. This wouldn't really be realised unless our testing was completly on point. My partner works in the NHS and i can assure you that even infrequent testing is only just being rolled out to the most key of the key in the wards and a lot of civilians are asymptamatic not seeing the need to go for a test so we can't rely on test data alone to give us true indication of how serious it is out there.

I guess we will just have to wait to see what happens in the coming weeks, my best guess is that it would be politcally too difficult (for this government) to tighten measures significantly again in the near future, unless it got really bad...

 

[Newchodge]

Matty Hancock today - Coronavirus is in full retreat across the UK

You made a couple of valid points until this point.

 

[MOIC]

You made a couple of valid points until this point.

I'm no defender of @James Johnson (I'm sure he can look after himself), but he was quoting the health secretary.

I may not agree with the health secretary (he's out of his depth in my book), but if he's made a comment, surely it's valid to quote it.

 

[Newchodge]

I'm no defender of @James Johnson (I'm sure he can look after himself), but he was quoting the health secretary.

I may not agree with the health secretary (he's out of his depth in my book), but if he's made a comment, surely it's valid to quote it.

It is valid to quote it but bot to use it to support any argument about anything.