If numbers don’t go up.

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I am familiar with the crowded beaches we get in Cornwall and the west country in the height of the summer holidays. I drove past a local beach last week and the car park was overflowing onto the local roads in a way I never see in summer. The beach itself was packed. When the tide came in later those people could not have kept 2 metres apart. I see the photographs on the news, don't you?

I've seen images from one location that was extremely bad (Durdle?) but that was pretty much the exception. Certain other beaches have been bad but with most of them, the news/newspaper take a photo angle that looks extremely bad. Once you dig into the other photos they've taken, there is social distancing in place. (most of the time)
 
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Certain other beaches have been bad but with most of them, the news/newspaper take a photo angle that looks extremely bad. Once you dig into the other photos they've taken, there is social distancing in place. (most of the time)
As a photographer I am fully aware of the angles pictures are taken. I am also personally familiar with the viewpoints of all the west country beaches and I can assure you that peak summer bank holidays are not as crowded as we have seen recently.
 
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Yes, i've seen the same, the problem is transfer en-route and cross contamination. Think of all the petrol pumps that have been used, any shops en-route, parking meters, hand rails, gates, benches, sharing of stuff (cups, bottles, etc), all the rubbish the pikies left behind for others to clear up. Then consider a lot would have been car sharing - contaminate the cabin of a car and anybody getting in and out up to a few hours later use the same seats, belts - not to mention the contaminated air and surfaces in a sealed box 5 people are driving around in. The million and 1 points of contamination when leaving ones pit to get to the beach and back is huge. Just being outside isn't the concern (for me, anyway). This is to say nothing of the idiots who get drunk or tombstone off cliffs who then endanger rescue services and indeed risk spreading the virus further by enforcing human contact.

I might sound like a crack pot but there is a bit more to it than some realise...


Have you been anywhere near London for the last few months let alone the last 3 odd weeks since lockdown has been relaxed? The tubes the buses? Millions packed into these sealed tins and numbers/infections still coming down... I really hope you guys that are willing the 2nd wave on to prove your point will be disappointed.

You seem to keep pushing the date and reasons back to suit.
 
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Have you been anywhere near London for the last few months let alone the last 3 odd weeks since lockdown has been relaxed? The tubes the buses? Millions packed into these sealed tins and numbers/infections still coming down... I really hope you guys that are willing the 2nd wave on to prove your point will be disappointed.

You seem to keep pushing the date and reasons back to suit.

Also when you say pikies you mean travellers I take it?

Thought tube/buses were still very quit in London and now people are being told they will need to wear a mask
 
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@James Johnson the numbers in London and elsewhere are to be expected. Those likely to be infected and fall ill are in isolation and will continue to be so. Those unlikely to display symptoms are as you suggested out and about.

It’s entirely predictable and why we aren’t seeing a second wave.
 
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Have you been anywhere near London for the last few months let alone the last 3 odd weeks since lockdown has been relaxed? The tubes the buses? Millions packed into these sealed tins and numbers/infections still coming down... I really hope you guys that are willing the 2nd wave on to prove your point will be disappointed.

You seem to keep pushing the date and reasons back to suit.

Also when you say pikies you mean travellers I take it?

Not sure what you mean by pushing the date - perhaps you mean somebody else...

Certainly not willing a second wave, why would anybody will that?! I've a family member who is a GP and coordinates various regions, theyate expecting a second wave in July.

I gather other countries might be seeing one already...
 
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If you say so.

Are you the judge and jury on what comments can and cannot be said?

Take a comment for what it is, rather than find reasons to attack it.

Common sense is needed, sometimes.

Yes, I am :D

So what is the relevance of your post to the rest of the discussion - am interested to know as it sees to have no relation to anything.
 
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    So what is the relevance of your post to the rest of the discussion - am interested to know as it sees to have no relation to anything.

    You asked . . .
    why are TFL saying they don't have any revenue?

    My following post . . .
    any business with hardly any turnover for a 4-8 week period and with full expenses to pay, can not last.

    See the connection?

    Perhaps not, as I said common sense is sometimes required.;)
     
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    alan1302

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    You asked . . .


    My following post . . .


    See the connection?

    Perhaps not, as I said common sense is sometimes required.;)

    No, can't see the connection - James Johnson was saying the tube/buses were all full (so lots of people paying fares) - TFL are saying they are not getting enough revenue in due to lack of people travelling.
     
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    What % of trains and buses are running?

    What % of the normal traveling public are currently traveling?

    Common sense Alan.

    Keep trying . . . .
    Now we are getting somewhere. Phew. That was my point. There are not may people travelling as the trains and buses are not busy and like sardines as previous poster claims so there is not much revenue.
     
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    Use your noddle Al, the transport that is running is packed, it’s just the amount of transport is scaled down. Get it?

    So for example if you had 80 trains running at 92% capacity (customers on board) is the same as 40 trains running at 92% COB.

    Come on get with the program.
     
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    It took one person in China to infect the world.

    One primary age school child in a class of 11 in Canada infected 8 others

    And those age kids we were told don't catch it easily and don't pass it on easily!

    And that's with social distance rules in place and them washing their hands all the time!

    We've got a lot of problems to overcome if we ever want to get anywhere near normal again
     
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    One primary age school child in a class of 11 in Canada infected 8 others

    And those age kids we were told don't catch it easily and don't pass it on easily!

    And that's with social distance rules in place and them washing their hands all the time!

    We've got a lot of problems to overcome if we ever want to get anywhere near normal again

    Would be interesting to know how they managed to pass it on and how they know it is all from that one kid.
     
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    Some people need to seriously get a grip!

    Yes, there’s a nasty virus. Yes, it can have serious consequences for the old, the ill, and those subjected to high concentrations of it.

    Have people lost all ability to think for themselves, evaluate risk, without needing the government to tell them exactly what they’re allowed to do and not to do?

    I find it all quite pathetic really
     
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    Some people need to seriously get a grip!

    Yes, there’s a nasty virus. Yes, it can have serious consequences for the old, the ill, and those subjected to high concentrations of it.

    Have people lost all ability to think for themselves, evaluate risk, without needing the government to tell them exactly what they’re allowed to do and not to do?

    I find it all quite pathetic really

    Would you prefer no government and we all just roam wild and look after ourselves?

    Who picks up the pieces ?

    Do we stop expecting an NHS and when we take the risks and get ill we treat ourselves at home? Or we just take the risk and die?

    So many things we need governments to do for us?
     
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    Would you prefer no government and we all just roam wild and look after ourselves?

    Who picks up the pieces ?

    Just because a minority of idiots in this country have the selfish ‘Brits on the Piss abroad’ mentality, there’s no earthly reason to strip the freedoms of the whole population!

    A bit of awareness, common sense, and extra hygiene measures would’ve done the job - not this ridiculous hysteria we now see before us!

    I can understand if you’ve been frightened by the government, but you really should learn to take personal responsibility
     
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    Have people lost all ability to think for themselves, evaluate risk, without needing the government to tell them exactly what they’re allowed to do and not to do?
    Most can think for themselves. But a lot can't. My neighbour being one of them. BBQ with friends at the weekends and now his wife is in hospital.
     
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    Just because a minority of idiots in this country have the selfish ‘Brits on the Piss abroad’ mentality, there’s no earthly reason to strip the freedoms of the whole population!

    A bit of awareness, common sense, and extra hygiene measures would’ve done the job - not this ridiculous hysteria we now see before us!

    I can understand if you’ve been frightened by the government, but you really should learn to take personal responsibility

    Some people can't do personal responsibility - and people have their own idea of what is right or wrong. That's why we have rules and governments. It would not work well without it.
     
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    Just because a minority of idiots in this country have the selfish ‘Brits on the Piss abroad’ mentality, there’s no earthly reason to strip the freedoms of the whole population!

    A bit of awareness, common sense, and extra hygiene measures would’ve done the job - not this ridiculous hysteria we now see before us!

    I can understand if you’ve been frightened by the government, but you really should learn to take personal responsibility

    Not in UK I am afraid. They may be a minority but our "idiots" as you call them still become a very big number and it's a very small island. So the diseases can't be controlled without strict lockdowns when needed.

    Somewhere like New Zealand way bigger landmass and way less idiots so they have advantages over us two ways.

    They are about to go back to business as normal. They've eradicated the virus by all accounts. But to do so they had to implement a very firm and early lockdown and close their borders.

    It was their government that made that happen. Not their people.

    Clearly a great place to live right now providing you don't want to go abroad.

    Their Prime Minister has said the borders may have to be closed for a very long time but at least they have eradicated the illness and can get back to as close to normal of a real life.

    Hats off to their prime minister and their government managing things for the greater good of their people.

    Short term pain. Long term gain for them.
     
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    At the end of the day, herd immunity is needed.

    A vaccine is actually needed

    I saw last night that the shortest time to date ever to find a successful vaccine for a virus uptil now was 4 years

    Our guys in UK who are testing one think they need 6 months ish to see if it works.

    They hoped it might be 3 months but because we have controlled the virus now there aren't enough chances to catch it for them to complete the test that quickly.

    Did you guys see that vaccines are now being tested in Brazil from other countries now as they needed somewhere to test it where the virus was out of control

    The benefits of having a country that thinks it can just ignore the virus like they have is that it gives us all somewhere to test the vaccines!
     
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    At the end of the day, herd immunity is needed.

    I had read Sweden was hoping for the benefits of herd immunity with their approach. Yet most European countries have gained more herd immunity than they have!!

    Other countries got a lot of people infected far more quickly then clamped down etc.

    Whereas Sweden took the police yourselves approach and hope for herd immunity over time and now find themselves with the highest death rate per capita in the world yet less herd immunity established than the rest of Europe

    A slow gradual increase in infections and deaths over time for them

    Their approach hasn't worked
     
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    77 deaths yesterday and lowest hospital admissions.

    O no - please don’t say give it two more weeks.

    It's a Sunday

    New Zealand have had a total of 1,134 infections and 22 deaths

    As a result of strict lockdown from the start.

    And now they have zero cases and zero deaths

    Now they can live normal lives again pretty much albeit with closed borders

    But I guess if they hadn't had a strict lockdown they could have kept social distancing in place much longer and keep the disease in the country and keep the infections coming

    Now they are in a way stronger position than the rest of us
     
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