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Do you know the Viktor Schauberger turbine design? It has an error. If this error is corrected, the turbine has a similar essence, but a completely different look and principle of operation. The term living water is also used for a liquid that has quite interesting physical properties after the addition of special polymers to it. And who are You? I should be interested in showing you something? It is not my intention to show anything to an indefinite audience or to receive any finances from anyone. I had a completely different goal.



Where are people going to get the water to power your turbines?
 
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In business - you are as good as your product, or you are as good as your idea - depending on what your business is. You need working prototypes to convince investors and as none of us understand your idea because you don't explain it, but lecture to us on the science (which to my level of science sounds like hyperbole).

You need outsiders more than they need you. You've made yourself uninvestible again.
 
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Where are people going to get the water to power your turbines?
My idea is very simple. Moving to Mars is not possible for three reasons - radiation, gravity, energy. So many environmental disasters will take place on Earth in 2022 that a flood in Germany in the summer of 2021 will seem like a light warning. The solution to the problem is to build the device I propose and transfer it to a certified laboratory for testing. After receiving all technical test results, any disputes on this issue will be worthless. For this, only drawings are needed. All materials and components are cheap and available on every continent. Having official parameters from an independent laboratory can be easily determined including the commercial potential and market opportunities of a product.
 
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You haven't shown anyone anything. Unless you count someone spinning up a device using a drill to generate a voltage. I can do that with a bit of wire and a magnet.
I proceed from the fact that none of my videos or statements are worth absolutely nothing - just like your objections) Therefore, in such a matter there can only be the only correct opinion - an independent expert assessment in a certified laboratory (you can start with only one generator model ). After the results, it will be clear whether it makes sense to move on to the kit. But in any case, the one who says that he can get the same result with the help of a magnet and wire - he knows absolutely nothing about reactance and in general about electric machines.
 
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Sigh….

You are the one making lots of claims. I have said I know two people who are interested in your invention but they want to see a working model - sustainable generation powering a household device.

I didn’t claim a simple generator was efficient. I just said it’s possible to generate a voltage using a magnet and some wire. For all we know your demonstration is no different.

It’s quite clear you aren’t going to get help from members here. But there are plenty of other fora where engineers frequent. You may well have more luck in these places.
 
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I proceed from the fact that none of my videos or statements are worth absolutely nothing - just like your objections)

It is often difficult to pick up the subtlety of language when it is not your first language.

It is obvious to me that as far as everyone who is posting on this thread goes they are unwilling to put any time and/or money towards what you are talking about. You have made various incredible claims and people generally don't believe you have anything of any value.

You are not going to be able to persuade people unless you can prove that your original claims about patents for example are true.

However, personally I am inclined to flag this thread as one to ignore. If you don't prove that you actually do have some patents in the next 24 hours that is what I will do.

I am the sort of person who does invest in things commercially. I know how investors think because I have been an investor for decades. If you cannot persuade people in this forum you won't persuade anyone else.

Still I will give you 24 hours before I flag the thread as one to ignore.
 
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    They didn't delete it, @fisicx did so they didn't think better. Guess just sad didn't get the investment they wanted.
    Always puts me off and I struggle to take someone seriously with a profile picture like the one they use too. Popular with recruiters on LinkedIn.
     
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    I have THREE patents for an invention on this subject)

    I have way more than that but I know quite a few of them should never have been granted. The US patent system, in particular, is a crock of s**t.

    In the day job we got bonuses for patents so we would all pile in with half-a-dozen supposed inventor per patent.
     
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    Please help me solve the problem. There are a lot of smart visitors on this forum - the decision will not be difficult for you. The photo shows a rotating frame with connecting vessels of different diameters. The frame has a neutral position at the bottom, and we will pour water into it. The water level in both pipes of different diameters will be set the same - 0.5 meters (for example). After that, we will begin to rotate the frame around its axis for the appearance of centrifugal force "5". What will happen to the water level in the yellow and blue tubes, given that their diameters are different in a ratio of 5 to 1 - will the water remain at the initial same level in the tubes, or not? I would be grateful if a specialist in hydrodynamics could explain the result of the experiment to me. Thank you very much, I apologize in advance for my ignorance.
     
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    It will stay the same
    May I ask you why? In communicating vessels of different diameters on a horizontal surface, the height of the two levels will be the same - this is understandable. But when we start to rotate the frame around its axis, the mass of water in different vessels is different, and why will artificial gravity not affect the redistribution of liquid through the connecting tube?
     
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    It will stay the same
    Einstein managed resolving this problem and along with it proving the compliance to the conservation laws for closed systems. Though, the last prove cannot be acknowledged as indisputably satisfactory. In the well-known manual by Landau and Lifshitz ([3], article 95), the absence of a gravity field energy in the action S is explained as follows: “The gravitational interaction plays its role only for bodies with a big enough mass (due to the smallness of the gravitational constant). This is why under a gravity field investigation, usually, we have to deal with macroscopic bodies”. Nevertheless, hardly the negligence to the energy of a field itself is justified in the area of strong fields. We see that already in the Newton’s approximation, the correction on a “heavy field” leads to a result comparable with one obtained from the Einstein’s equation. It is a good excuse to take thought to a gravity field equation being an alternative to the Einstein’s equation
     
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    It will stay the same
    “The forces of gravitational interaction are proportional to the gravitational mass of the body, while the forces of inertia are proportional to the inertial mass of the body. If the inertial and gravitational masses are equal, then it is impossible to distinguish what force acts on a given sufficiently small body - gravitational or inertial force "
     
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    Exactly. You have a single body of water so they will stay the same level.
     
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    Exactly. You have a single body of water so they will stay the same level.
    Fine! That is precisely why there is such an expression - practice is the criterion of truth. Better to experiment and see the result. For example, as interesting as Bernouli's law and others - they behave unexpectedly) Here's another question - I rotate a generator with a small drill and it turns on 5 bulbs of 200 watts each. Only 1 kW load. What do you think - how powerful should a drill be to light 5 light bulbs per 1 kW?
     
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    I find your unusual use of terms and SI units a little concerning. You cannot answer these questions without a more, er considered understanding of electricity.
    This is your own business. I'm worried about something else. First - it is obvious that before your eyes the ecosystem of the planet Earth is being brazenly destroyed without any options for its conservation. Secondly, when the picture of the universe was the official doctrine of the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, then all those who disagree were called "anti-scientific views". The same thing is happening today - science cannot explain the essence of the processes of electricity to the end. Many process parameters are conditionally accepted as commonly used. Science does not know the structure of matter. Science is not able to understand the processes of elementary particles, where, as is known, the laws of Newtonian mechanics do not work. As a result, science does not have a theory of everything. Science has no idea how matter, cosmos, the universe and electricity work. Why did you decide that progress could be the anchor of the medieval Inquisition? At the same time, in order to control a stupid and obedient herd, vague dogmas are used, which "science" simply agreed to use, including in electricity!
     
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    I find your unusual use of terms and SI units a little concerning. You cannot answer these questions without a more, er considered understanding of electricity.
    That's how much they consumed. They burned a bunch of hydrocarbons, coal, etc. Corporations made a profit. The environment has received enormous destruction, pollution and loss. Corporate accounts belong to their owners. The ecology of the planet Earth belongs to the entire population. You will personally feel the results of all this for yourself no later than 2025 years. And what about this state of affairs? Who responsible for the destruction of the planet's ecosystem? Pseudoscience (and how could it be otherwise, if this is a deceitful girl serving her master)? Corporations? - it's all a lie - every bastard has his own name! And the best answer to this situation and the only one that can change anything is to give the consumer energy autonomy! This is exactly the device I propose and I am looking for an interested partner)
     
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    I find your unusual use of terms and SI units a little concerning. You cannot answer these questions without a more, er considered understanding of electricity.
    And the funny thing about all this is that you absolutely know how a source of clean energy works! Ready to bet! Do you know how the solar system works? Do you know that the moon revolves around the earth? Do you know that the moon moves away from the earth every year? Do you know that the tides have ebb and flow for billions of years, regardless of what science thinks about this mechanism? This is enough to build a device that will provide clean energy as long as this configuration of the solar system is maintained. It is the same as that over time the sun will complete its cycle of reactions and the solar panels will become useless. But as long as the configuration is preserved, there is no point in digging the bowels of the Earth in order to receive any amount of electricity ...
     
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    All well and good but you haven’t demonstrated your clean energy model. This is what any collaborator and investor will want to see. Head off to the coast with your tidal generator and show it working.

    As an aside, how big would it have to be to generate enough power to run a small city?
     
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    All well and good but you haven’t demonstrated your clean energy model. This is what any collaborator and investor will want to see. Head off to the coast with your tidal generator and show it working.

    As an aside, how big would it have to be to generate enough power to run a small city?
    Head off to the coast with your tidal generator and show it working. - this is the essence of the issue - no need for a coast! Installations that stand on the coast already exist. I suggest an installation that you can put near your home not on the coast.
     
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    All well and good but you haven’t demonstrated your clean energy model. This is what any collaborator and investor will want to see. Head off to the coast with your tidal generator and show it working.

    As an aside, how big would it have to be to generate enough power to run a small city?
    As an aside, how big would it have to be to generate enough power to run a small city? - I do not know this. But I know something else - the essence of such an installation is similar to solar panels. You can supply one with a power of 5 kW. You can supply 10 of them - with a total capacity of 50 kW. I considered only small installations that can be built independently, without involving serious industrial capacities. If we talk about the settlement, then the installation will be larger in size and capacity, but this is already for large-scale production. This corresponds to a 3 kW wind turbine with a diameter of 2 meters and a 0.5 megawatt wind turbine with a diameter of 100 meters ...
     
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    So what powers the generator it it’s not tidal, wind or solar? All things you have said it doesn’t use.
     
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    In all the 8 pages of this topic - he hasn't explained two vital things. 1. What exactly has he invented, and 2. how does it work?

    Something in the videos spins a wheel and light bulbs light up. Powered by a battery operated drill or screwdriver? It seems to me the amount of energy in the battery would be better served with two wires lighting the bulbs directly, than going into this generator, and then using that to light the bulbs. I'd love to see the efficiency figures. Where are the losses and what are they? Of course the drum could be powered by water flow, which is essentially free. So have we re-invented the water wheel?

    I live on the coast with a big harbour. We just had high tides way above those predicted and railway lines got washed away, and car parks and property flooded. You cannot stop that water flow - so why is the twice daily energy not 'harvested'? The flow is slow, but very powerful, so will this generator work for this kind of real world thing?
     
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    In all the 8 pages of this topic - he hasn't explained two vital things. 1. What exactly has he invented, and 2. how does it work?

    Something in the videos spins a wheel and light bulbs light up. Powered by a battery operated drill or screwdriver? It seems to me the amount of energy in the battery would be better served with two wires lighting the bulbs directly, than going into this generator, and then using that to light the bulbs. I'd love to see the efficiency figures. Where are the losses and what are they? Of course the drum could be powered by water flow, which is essentially free. So have we re-invented the water wheel?

    I live on the coast with a big harbour. We just had high tides way above those predicted and railway lines got washed away, and car parks and property flooded. You cannot stop that water flow - so why is the twice daily energy not 'harvested'? The flow is slow, but very powerful, so will this generator work for this kind of real world thing?
    What a clever message - you can always do it if you want. "I'd love to see the efficiency figures. " Me too. But I don't have that technical ability. "Where are the losses and what are they?" - losses are the same as in a traditional current generator but 30-50% less. It's all about the generator. "So have we re-invented the water wheel?" - I don’t know, - this already concerns the turbine. You can say so, only for this you need a small-sized water wheel, a closed cycle in which water does not rise anywhere, but constantly rotates and at the same time its positive energy is enough to rotate at least a generator with a power of 1-2 kW., but 24 / 7. "The flow is slow, but very powerful, so will this generator work for this kind of real world thing?" We don't need this flow. We need a source of energy that ultimately creates such a flow. The rest is just a constructive decision. Thanks for a very good message. In order to avoid even greater destruction in the near future, this device is needed, otherwise Europe has already agreed that the atom and gas are green energy ... The design I propose can be installed not only on the coast near the water, but also in the Sahara desert. The effect will be the same.
     
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    Have you considered a new role in life? You'd make a wonderful politician. You never, ever answer any direct questions. As in inventor, you should know everything about the gizmo you have invented and developed. efficiency figures, like covid cases, need numbers not guesses. Have you used a fully charged drill to power those lights, measured the voltage and current till they go out, then repeated the test using just the fully charged battery - this will give you the efficiency figure. If your energy source manages 18V at 2 amps for 15 minutes direct, but your generator can power the lights for only 10 minutes, the efficiency is easy to calculate. If you are using wind or water, the lack of efficiency isn't a killer - but what is different in your design? You won't tell us?
     
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    Ebb and flow from what? My garden pond?
    if you manage to use your pond for useful energy - use it! In my case, a different design - it does not look like a Schauberger device, but we can assume that it is something like this - a closed design that only requires periodically lubricating the bearings and topping up the liquid. Everything else happens precisely because of the energy that is the source of the movement of huge masses of the world's oceans throughout the planet. But a pond is not needed for this)
     
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    Have you considered a new role in life? You'd make a wonderful politician. You never, ever answer any direct questions. As in inventor, you should know everything about the gizmo you have invented and developed. efficiency figures, like covid cases, need numbers not guesses. Have you used a fully charged drill to power those lights, measured the voltage and current till they go out, then repeated the test using just the fully charged battery - this will give you the efficiency figure. If your energy source manages 18V at 2 amps for 15 minutes direct, but your generator can power the lights for only 10 minutes, the efficiency is easy to calculate. If you are using wind or water, the lack of efficiency isn't a killer - but what is different in your design? You won't tell us?
    You are a strange person ... if I name the numbers, you will not believe it. If I show a generator that is twice as easy to rotate under load than a traditional one, the obvious seems impossible to you))) But I stubbornly repeat - it is impossible to violate the law of conservation of energy! You just need to understand what source of energy is used. In view of the fact that the proposed source of energy is known to everyone, but science cannot explain its essence (its manifestation is just obvious in the ebb and flow) - I propose a simple option. How much does it cost for a normal company to maintain a research center per year? We both know it. I offer drawings - ready - just build and test! What's the catch in your opinion? I'm not asking you to give me money or finance who knows what - build and test!
     
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