Immigrant taking me to a tribunal

[Jenni384]

Congratulations, I'm so glad it turned out right in the end.

 

[Happyeater]

If you get a reference call or letter - don't do anything that might get you in hot water. Remember that some people may call you asking for an off the record chat - they may well be people working for him (I have heard of solicitors doing this).

He has 42 days to appeal to the Employment Appeals Tribunal - http://www.employmentappeals.gov.uk/

Congratulations again - I'm genuinely surprised to be honest.

 

[willitbe]

I have just read this thread and it has given me a warm fuzzy glow.

That someone has the b***s to stand up for what is right. Apathy towards the system could have quite easily come into play here and you could have "Cut and Run", you chose not to, you chose to do the right thing, you persevered with your principles and values and in the end they prevailed.

I, along with many others on here, applaud your committed stance and wish you every success in the future, you thoroughly deserve it for at least showing us that at least one person in this country is prepared to put up a fight. I salute you Sir!.

P.s YorkshireJames you are what's wrong with this country, deplorable to even attempt to chuck the race card in.

 

[Afaia]

I absolutely agree. To me there was no hint of racism in this. The 'immigrant' bit was relevant because the employee himself brought it into the case by suddenly claiming that he did not understand English.

I am an immigrant myself, although in my case simply from one EU country to another. It is still tough, so I know how hard it is for others. I hope that I have no prejudice. I know that I have the utmost respect for those many immigrants who manage to get on without the education and other resources that I had to help me. Most of them work far harder than the resident population because they have to in order to build a good life for their families.

There will always be 'bad apples' who will try to take advantage of others. This was one of them and I am so glad that he did not succeed.

I have to say that the UK, seen from outside, has gone crazy. It seems to be destroying many of the values that made it a desirable place to live.

I'm not talking money here; I am talking morals and ethics and fighting for what is right.

I belive that what is important is to treat our fellow human beings with respect and the way that we would like to be treated ourselves. To get caught up in what words we use is just a smokescreen.

 

[deniser]

Congratulations for winning this case and I am impressed by your perseverance.

In my experience of employment tribunals and other court cases relating to employment such as breach of contract etc. they do come to the right conclusion in the end. The party who is lying does tend to be found out quite quickly.

It is right to take a stand against anyone who is guilty of wrongdoing regardless of their background and it is too easy to give up thinking that the race card will be played by the person concerned to their advantage (although I have to confess that as the wife of an "immigrant" I didn't read this thread until today because the title made me feel uncomfortable.) .

Incidentally just out of interest, does an immigrant stay an immigrant for his whole life even if he has been here for 50+ years?

 

[PaddyPawsPetServices]

Congratulations to you for winning this case.

well done for having the guts to stand up for yourself and what is right. I sincerly hope this person does not try the same with someone who would simply pay him to go away

think some vino is in order!

 

[MH1]

Congratulations, have a celebration drink, and get on with more important things.

I sure this has wasted to much of your time already, time to put it behind you.

 

[yorkshirejames]

P.s YorkshireJames you are what's wrong with this country, deplorable to even attempt to chuck the race card in.

Thanks - I can assure you I do more for the community and for society than you do.

The undertones of this thread just smell of racism, from various people.

There is a very very fine line between wanting to stand up for the average common man white british not disabled heterosexual.... and being a sympathiser of the far right.

I myself like to stay just the right side of that line - I think we all know that others are way across it.

 

[lesliedocherty]

baloney james,

 

[yorkshirejames]

think what you like - at least I can say hand on heart that I have never treated any of my team members differently because of the colour of their skin.

 

[Mister B]

think what you like - at least I can say hand on heart that I have never treated any of my team members differently because of the colour of their skin.

As an aside, I didnt think that we knew the colour of the skin. An immigrant could be Irish, Polish, Indian, pretty much anybody who was not born within these shores.

But following your argument, I could quite easily take offence at being called a Brit, or a Pom. The local roughnecks can take offence at being called Chavs. If the guy taking the action was Turkish and was called a Turk, would that too be deemed as being racist? At which point does name calling become racist?

Mister B

 

[Simon-M]

think what you like - at least I can say hand on heart that I have never treated any of my team members differently because of the colour of their skin.

That you think of your team by the colour of their skin says it all for me. I think you are wrong to try to bring any kind of race angle to this. If there is a simmering from some members under the surface then it is under the surface. What are you, the thought police?

People read into forum posts far too much. You are missing several key ingredients. You can not see body language. You can not hear the voice. How you can make assumptions of race discrimination or racial hatred based on what people have posted here is beyond me. But then again you probably think I'm a racist too.

Simon

 

[Dawg]

Simon,
to some people we are all racists/sexists/religionists. You only get a daypass if you have a copy of the Guardian, (or Ninnydependant), in your chewed bark briefcase.

(I know this comment has been logged and will add points to my re-education quota as it will be recorded on my ID card, thus limiting the gruel points I can use whilst in the re-education camp).

 

[yorkshirejames]

If there is a simmering from some members under the surface then it is under the surface.

Its more than just a simmering - that is what I have an issue with. One guy (not the OP) has said on this thread that he doesn't employ migrant workers because they cause hassle and play the race card - that is much more than under the surface.

 

[maria102]

Well, I must agree with James to an extent (though I didn't particularly think it in this thread so much). I have often thought that racism exists on this forum and still do - sadly I think I have just come to accept it, but when I first joined I was amazed at some members openly racist remarks.

 

[Simon-M]

Its more than just a simmering - that is what I have an issue with. One guy (not the OP) has said on this thread that he doesn't employ migrant workers because they cause hassle and play the race card - that is much more than under the surface.

Out of 14 pages of thread you picked out one guy who openly said he won't employ migrants. That's hardly the mass racism that you are clearly implying. If you ignore that one prat who thought it was a good idea to make that comment then what else is there?

Simon

 

[Simon-M]

Well, I must agree with James to an extent (though I didn't particularly think it in this thread so much). I have often thought that racism exists on this forum and still do - sadly I think I have just come to accept it, but when I first joined I was amazed at some members openly racist remarks.

If you are refering to some of the things Ling has been called on here then I agree with you. Is it open racism though or just a stupid comment? My guess is that those comments are not meant to be racist even though they clearly are.

Anyway, British jobs for British workers. That's my mantra Got it off Gordon brown

 

[maria102]

If you are refering to some of the things Ling has been called on here then I agree with you. Is it open racism though or just a stupid comment? My guess is that those comments are not meant to be racist even though they clearly are.

Anyway, British jobs for British workers. That's my mantra Got it off Gordon brown

That amongst others, though I have never seen anyone picked up for it...I just see people saying they can't be bothered with political correctness thereby justifying their racism.

 

[Simon-M]

That amongst others, though I have never seen anyone picked up for it...I just see people saying they can't be bothered with political correctness thereby justifying their racism.

I'm sure I have seen people called racist for their comments (maybe only tongue in cheek) but I have also seen a tollerance for those comments that has been slightly uncomfortable for me. I am guilty of not saying anything but that's probably because I don't really pay much attention to banter like this. It's just when I have noticed the perstistance of it in the past that I have thought, should you really be saying that?

I work in Slough and as most people know, Slough is a real cultural melting pot of different races and religions. It's said there are more Poles in Sloughski than there are in Walsaw. Is that a racist comment? You see, that is where it all goes a bit "Pete Tong" for me. I no longer know what I can say and therefor say nothing. Is that right?

Simon

 

[Dawg]

That amongst others, though I have never seen anyone picked up for it...I just see people saying they can't be bothered with political correctness thereby justifying their racism.

Maria, my point above, expressed jovially, is that some people attempt to close down debate, claiming racism where there is none by adopting PC attitudes as expressed on the wilder shores of Islingtonia's Guardian writers' scribblings. Trying to get the balance between the bigots and the antibigots is tricky, but where we should be aiming.

(As an aside, I think the term PC is a bit misused. I think PC is merely being polite: there are so many ways to express a thought in the English language why not do it in a way that doesn't offend spuriously? Unless you want to: 'a gentleman is never rude unintentionally.')

 

[maria102]

Maria, my point above, expressed jovially, is that some people attempt to close down debate, claiming racism where there is none by adopting PC attitudes as expressed on the wilder shores of Islingtonia's Guardian writers' scribblings. Trying to get the balance between the bigots and the antibigots is tricky, but where we should be aiming.

Yep, I got that, and I wasn't referring to anything in this post in particular, just seemingly throw-away remarks in others that really just eqate to racism.

(As an aside, I think the term PC is a bit misused. I think PC is merely being polite: there are so many ways to express a thought in the English language why not do it in a way that doesn't offend spuriously? Unless you want to: 'a gentleman is never rude unintentionally.')

I absolutely agree with you here as well, I have often thought that it's a commonly misused term.