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Britain a failing nation ?

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It's strange that people are worried about these sorts of things, but do not seem worried that the richest companies in the UK are not paying any tax

Maybe if the government got off its arse, then they could stop this missuse of tax breaks and manipulation of earnings so that we could afford to look after all
 
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Chris Ashdown said:
It's strange that people are worried about these sorts of things, but do not seem worried that the richest companies in the UK are not paying any tax

Maybe if the government got off its arse, then they could stop this missuse of tax breaks and manipulation of earnings so that we could afford to look after all
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Do you think that is the real problem ?

I'm not endorsing tax avoidance schemes, although I'm sure most people would pay less tax if they could, but firstly if the tax rates weren't so high for high earners it would encourage them not to find ways of avoiding it and secondly, surely those that are taking out of the system because they can't be bothered to work, are far worse offenders !

Do benefit takers cost the UK more than tax avoidance schemes ?
 
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sirearl said:
Well if like myself you have spent 50 years paying nearly half of ones income to various governments.

Then maybe one is owed something.?:)
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Ah thats precisely my point.

If you've paid in you deserve to get something out very true, but in actual fact you pay in so that others who can't be bothered to work and contribute and believe the government owe them a living, take the money out that you've paid in.
 
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chuckles said:
Do you think that is the real problem ?

I'm not endorsing tax avoidance schemes, although I'm sure most people would pay less tax if they could, but firstly if the tax rates weren't so high for high earners it would encourage them not to find ways of avoiding it and secondly, surely those that are taking out of the system because they can't be bothered to work, are far worse offenders !

Do benefit takers cost the UK more than tax avoidance schemes ?
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I live in Monaco so that I don't have to pay any tax at all. If I had been taxed at a reasonable amount, and it had been used for reasonable purposes, I'd have stayed a UK tax payer.

Paying 50%+ and having it used to fund people who 'cant afford to take a job' wasn't acceptable to me, so I stopped taking part.
 
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Suzuki said:
I live in Monaco so that I don't have to pay any tax at all. If I had been taxed at a reasonable amount, and it had been used for reasonable purposes, I'd have stayed a UK tax payer.

Paying 50%+ and having it used to fund people who 'cant afford to take a job' wasn't acceptable to me, so I stopped taking part.
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Did you renounce your citizenship?
 
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chuckles said:
Do you think that is the real problem ?

I'm not endorsing tax avoidance schemes, although I'm sure most people would pay less tax if they could, but firstly if the tax rates weren't so high for high earners it would encourage them not to find ways of avoiding it and secondly, surely those that are taking out of the system because they can't be bothered to work, are far worse offenders !

Do benefit takers cost the UK more than tax avoidance schemes ?
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Benefits takers cost a minimal amount I read somewhere, but I think this is because its easier politically to get tax payers to rally against lazy people which unfortunately a lot of benefit takers are, than to fight big businesses and lose their tax revenues, jobs for citizens of the eu that want to settle here and various other benefits big businesses bring.

It's an easier battle. But a couple of big businesses paying proper uk tax could wipe out a large chunk of the deficit but frankly they would just leave the uk if the government didnt do something to chummy up to them.

Politics isn't anywhere near as straight forward as people make out and democracy isn't always right, it's just the most right system we have!
 
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toastking said:
Benefits takers cost a minimal amount I read somewhere, but I think this is because its easier politically to get tax payers to rally against lazy people which unfortunately a lot of benefit takers are, than to fight big businesses and lose their tax revenues, jobs for citizens of the eu that want to settle here and various other benefits big businesses bring.

It's an easier battle. But a couple of big businesses paying proper uk tax could wipe out a large chunk of the deficit but frankly they would just leave the uk if the government didnt do something to chummy up to them.

Politics isn't anywhere near as straight forward as people make out and democracy isn't always right, it's just the most right system we have!
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Takers are the biggest drain on society. It's not just their dole money but everything else they take out of society.

Business that pay less tax than they 'morally' should, still donate to the economy.
 
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Its not a point you're going to see any politicians make but targeting the benefit scroungers is an easier fight to win than targeting the businesses who don't pay.

Chantelle and Jim (and their 8 children) the benefits scroungers can't just up and move so if new laws and rules are forced on them they'll just need to accept them.

If you try and force new laws or taxes onto people like me they might just say 'no thanks' and go elsewhere.
 
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It's my opinion and other than journalistic mumble jumble, I don't think it can be proved otherwise, as no one really knows the true cost of tax avoidance, but my gut reaction is that benefit takers well out way tax avoiders particularly if you take into account what tax avoiders pay back into society.
 
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Suzuki said:
Its not a point you're going to see any politicians make but targeting the benefit scroungers is an easier fight to win than targeting the businesses who don't pay.

Chantelle and Jim (and their 8 children) the benefits scroungers can't just up and move so if new laws and rules are forced on them they'll just need to accept them.

If you try and force new laws or taxes onto people like me they might just say 'no thanks' and go elsewhere.
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You have to target the scrounges, they give nothing but take all. Tax avoiders give but try to reduce what they give because the tax system is unfair.

At the very least they contribute.
 
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Tony Blair, that great 'conservative' labour MP, earned £11m last year and paid £300k in taxes.

A pittance in % terms but still a great deal more than the average tax payer and one hell of a lot more than any scrounges.

So where does he lie in the great scheme of things ?

Is he a piss taker or a great ambassador or a contributor ?
 
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chuckles said:
It's my opinion and other than journalistic mumble jumble, I don't think it can be proved otherwise, as no one really knows the true cost of tax avoidance, but my gut reaction is that benefit takers well out way tax avoiders particularly if you take into account what tax avoiders pay back into society.
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Yup the Chinese are very pleased with them.

where ever it comes from its some one else's money they use.:)
 
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I guess so but didn't realise I was talking on behalf of the Chinese.

Not sure I fully understand where you are coming from as far as my comments are concerned !
 
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chuckles said:
Tony Blair, that great 'conservative' labour MP, earned £11m last year and paid £300k in taxes.

A pittance in % terms but still a great deal more than the average tax payer and one hell of a lot more than any scrounges.

So where does he lie in the great scheme of things ?

Is he a piss taker or a great ambassador or a contributor ?
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He's a war criminal and a piss taker.
 
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chuckles said:
Tony Blair, that great 'conservative' labour MP, earned £11m last year and paid £300k in taxes.

A pittance in % terms but still a great deal more than the average tax payer and one hell of a lot more than any scrounges.

So where does he lie in the great scheme of things ?

Is he a piss taker or a great ambassador or a contributor ?
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Somewhere near the pile of warmongering lying toads i believe :redface:
 
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