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And last night ITV local news reporting on massive congestion in Immingham docks caused by the slow processing of imports due to the increased paperwork and lack of enough Customs & Excise staff to do the checks. Dock storage is overflowing, ships being at anchor in the North Sea waiting to come in and ships being delaying on the return journeys to Rotterdam etc.
 
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japancool said:
Yet exactly the same fish can be landed without hassle in Denmark, but if it land in the UK, it has to go through additional procedures. The fish is no more or less dangerous if it lands here.
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But Bojo the Clown wants to be able to import sub standard food from other countries like the USA. The EU system is to ensure that it doesn't reach them.
 
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japancool said:
No more than we already pay to export there. Scottish fish exports to Vietnam more than tripled in 2019, for example.

We import more seafood than we export.
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LIVE SHELLFISH
 
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japancool said:
No more than we already pay to export there. Scottish fish exports to Vietnam more than tripled in 2019, for example.

We import more seafood than we export.
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Crabs and lobsters are exported live to Spain in trucks of water. While on the ferry sea water is taken in and circulated around the cargo. Just how do you intend to do that to Vietnam?
 
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atmosbob said:
Crabs and lobsters are exported live to Spain in trucks of water. While on the ferry sea water is taken in and circulated around the cargo. Just how do you intend to do that to Vietnam?
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I dunno. How do other countries that export shellfish do it? The US exports shellfish to places like Brazil and, surprise, surprise, the EU - so they're obviously not THAT worried about substandard fish.
 
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Newchodge said:
Really? Is that imported to process then exported, or is that imported for consumption?
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My mistake. I misread the statistics. We import around 200,000 tons and export 275,000 tons (pa).

Still, that's a significant level of import that could be replaced with domestic production. Whether that's for consumption or processing.

This is excluding shellfish. We import around 70,000 tons of shellfish a year.
 
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japancool said:
Far be it from our fishing industry to seek markets out beyond the EU. We have a trade deal with Japan and Vietnam, the 3rd and 4th largest consumers of seafood in the world.
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Just a tad far for a 60 foot fishing boat to go deliver its fish.
Have to send by other means. Hey, very similar process as sending to EU?
 
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atmosbob said:
But Bojo the Clown wants to be able to import sub standard food from other countries like the USA. The EU system is to ensure that it doesn't reach them.
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Sub standard? Or just not meeting EU standards?
Is the food the US exports somehow different than the food eaten in the US? What in particular is sub standard?
 
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Newchodge said:
But only (to the EU) under strict control
https://www.fda.gov/food/food-export-lists/shellfish-exports-european-union
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Sure. But provision does exist in EU law for British shellfish to be exported to the EU. As they were happy to consume them last year, there's no particular reason they couldn't include them today.

I don't know the specific details, but the Environment Secretary suggested today that the ban is due to the EU changing their position on imports after Brexit, and that he wants them just to follow their own regulations.

I don't know what regulations he's referring to.
 
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japancool said:
But provision does exist in EU law for British shellfish to be exported to the EU. As they were happy to consume them last year, there's no particular reason they couldn't include them today.
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PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE ONE OF US DIES.

There is NO provision in EU law for British shellfish to be exported to the EU. NONE. There is provision in EU law for EU membersa and members of the EFTA to move shellfish arounf the EU.
 
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japancool said:
Sure. But provision does exist in EU law for British shellfish to be exported to the EU. As they were happy to consume them last year, there's no particular reason they couldn't include them today.

I don't know the specific details, but the Environment Secretary suggested today that the ban is due to the EU changing their position on imports after Brexit, and that he wants them just to follow their own regulations.

I don't know what regulations he's referring to.
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Last year we were still in transition period and treated as though member of EU. Not now....
 
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Newchodge said:
PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE ONE OF US DIES.

There is NO provision in EU law for British shellfish to be exported to the EU. NONE. There is provision in EU law for EU membersa and members of the EFTA to move shellfish arounf the EU.
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Really. Then you can argue it with the Environment Secretary.

And as it happens, there IS provision for it to be imported. It has to be purified first.

SO YOU'RE WRONG.

Typing your argument in all caps doesn't make it any more right.
 
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japancool said:
Really. Then you can argue it with the Environment Secretary.

And as it happens, there IS provision for it to be imported. It has to be purified first.

SO YOU'RE WRONG.

Typing your argument in all caps doesn't make it any more right.
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That is not a provision for the UK. That is a provision for all non-member and non-EFTA countries.
 
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Ally Maxwell said:
They were told by Gove et al that their market access wouldn't change.
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That wasn't the problem. The problem was that they believed them!

EDIT: But that didn't matter because they knew exactly what they were voting for.
 
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Mr D said:
Leaving the market but market access not changing????

Did anyone believe that? If so they should take it up with the Leave campaign for compensation.
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That was literally one of the cornerstones of the whole thing.

Nothing would change that much, because the EU needed the UK and would agree to almost everything we wanted. That was one of the main benefits of Brexit - we would win, the EU would lose. We could trade with the world - because, we didn't already, apparently.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...hern-Ireland-fish-Boris-Johnson-latest-update <<<< from 2019: Trawlermen blame the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy for a significant downturn in their trade but now believe Boris Johnson’s new Brexit deal could spark life back into the industry.
 
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thetiger2015 said:
That was literally one of the cornerstones of the whole thing.

Nothing would change that much, because the EU needed the UK and would agree to almost everything we wanted. That was one of the main benefits of Brexit - we would win, the EU would lose. We could trade with the world - because, we didn't already, apparently.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...hern-Ireland-fish-Boris-Johnson-latest-update <<<< from 2019: Trawlermen blame the EU’s Common Fisheries Policy for a significant downturn in their trade but now believe Boris Johnson’s new Brexit deal could spark life back into the industry.
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So unrealistic expectations added to unable to plan ahead ...... ?
 
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I think the mods should lock this thread for 12 months. Then we can come back and point and laugh at the other side.

Which side will be laughing is still to be resolved :)
 
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DontAsk said:
I think the mods should lock this thread for 12 months. Then we can come back and point and laugh at the other side.

Which side will be laughing is still to be resolved :)
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my prediction is that there will be roughly the same people arguing slightly different points but still all being right

Add to that those currently distracted by Covid will be back to moaning about Brexit

it’s like Groundhog Day on mogodon.
 
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Mark T Jones said:
my prediction is that there will be roughly the same people arguing slightly different points but still all being right

Add to that those currently distracted by Covid will be back to moaning about Brexit

it’s like Groundhog Day on mogodon.
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This. There will never be agreement on it. And over time there will be other variables, too.

But Brexit was never, surely, an economy driven choice? I thought it was entirely a matter of principle?
 
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