Rude Receptionists- Telemarketing

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I've not a problem if someone rings me, says straight away who they are
and what they are ringing about, and then say fine if I say i'm not interested.
The annoying ones are the ones who do this,

"I try to not make it a sales call and state this at the start but simply ask a few questions to establish if this person is a good target."
 
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I don't even get the cold calling any more. I get an auto dialler that connects to the telesales operative when I pick up the phone (you can hear the pause as the server makes the connection). In other words they don't even know who they are speaking to until we are connected.

Even worse is the recorded sales message - I pick up and the message plays back. If I hang up before the message has completed the autodialler just rings me up again.

All praise to TPS as it's all gone quiet now.

Great thread BTW
 
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I don't even get the cold calling any more. I get an auto dialler that connects to the telesales operative when I pick up the phone (you can hear the pause as the server makes the connection). In other words they don't even know who they are speaking to until we are connected.

Even worse is the recorded sales message - I pick up and the message plays back. If I hang up before the message has completed the autodialler just rings me up again.

All praise to TPS as it's all gone quiet now.

Great thread BTW

Yes I dont know if anyone has mentioned this before you but perhaps its worth linking to the site: http://www.tpsonline.org.uk and there is also
Silent Callgard is 0844 372 2325 it does take a while to startto take affect but it DOES reduce the unwanted calls.
 
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Wow thats a whole load of printing plant....er I mean lease payments. Good luck with you telesales. (oh BTW if you signed up (paid for) and put your link in the signature you would have been doing your site a whole load of good with this debate)...I am assuming you have a website....lol


We are the largest indepentely owned printer in UK and no actually all the equipment is owned by the owners.

www.aldersonbrothers.co.uk
 
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Yes I dont know if anyone has mentioned this before you but perhaps its worth linking to the site: http://www.tpsonline.org.uk and there is also
Silent Callgard is 0844 372 2325 it does take a while to startto take affect but it DOES reduce the unwanted calls.

Dont know if you noticed but the tps in the contact area has the exact same phone number I gave to Alderson brothers print to contact me on.

World is full of coincidences eh? how amazing that 2 companies have the exact same phone number :p
 
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What I should do, of course, is start a new thread with this title, but I'm vain enough to want a ready-made audience.

Seriously though, at the heart of this and the other COLD CALLING thread is the issue of what sales and marketing activity is acceptable or effective, and to whom. Going back as far as we can imagine, I guess some people thought that the noisy market in the village square was (still is!) "intrusive".

We might also consider where, and when, any marketing or selling message or method is acceptable to us. If, for example, you want to resort to the "old" Google-it trick as someone suggested, do you mind that the companies you will then encounter are the ones who have best sussed all the dark arts involved in SEO or price comparison sites? Not necessarily the same thing as best price/service/quality/convenience/etc..

Or do you mind billboards up and down your road? Newspaper and magazine ads? Radio or TV ads in the middle of your movie or whatever? Mailshots? Emails? Text messages? Knock on the door? Meeting random or targeted business folk in network meetings? Or online in forums? Obviously it’s horses for courses – which is why it is all still going on.

What has tended to happen here in the UK though is that the “Mr Grumpy” attitude has held sway, and this has tarred ALL sales people, using whatever method, with the same brush. Certainly when I was selling advertising space, I used to include in my (young man meets young woman) chat up lines that I was in “Publishing” first, the “on the advertising side” second before they’d extract the “sales” word out of me! “I’m in selling”, back then at least, had a similar effect to “I’ve got leprosy” (with apologies to any lepers reading).

And yet we all have met and done business with some of the smoothest, best informed, professional, helpful, useful and/or profit-inducing sales people on the planet – right here in the UK. Indeed the entire country and all of our wealth is based on the very fact that we do. Apart from a bit of North Sea oil, all we ever do, and have ever done, is to buy in someone else’s raw material, beat/bash/tweak it into something bigger and better (add value) and then sell it back to them. Or invent a “service” and sell them that. UK PLC, is a sales organisation, and all of your livelihoods are based on that fact.

You will also have caught yourself recommending one of these sales people, and/or the company they represent, on to another contact, but you might avoid the “sales” word yourself? (Like “I know a really good printer, not the cheapest I don’t think, but you always get good quality stuff from them, and on time. Here, give my contact Bill a call”).

So OK, it is of course the case that some firms/products/services get completely caught up in a single form of approach and completely overdo it (is Viagra any good by the way?), and pity the poor “sales” people who get sucked into the profession in this way, to only experience the worst of the worst. Or indeed, come to that, the poor gatekeeper stuck on an unprotected desk fielding a mind-boggling barrage of pushy rude and arrogant visitors or callers, with mountains of junk mail and email spam to sort through as well, let alone demands from lazy bosses that she “source” a new print supplier, given that the last lot of cheapskates messed up so badly.

I’m just wondering though, if sales people in general were thought of a bit less in the way that Gordon Brown sees them (hefty insult to Dave Cameron was to call him a “shallow salesman”), and a bit more the way that our American cousins see them (4th “sexiest” profession – after brain surgeon – I think) – would we get a bit more harmony between buyer and seller? Not to mention a better quality of person being attracted into the profession in the first place?
 
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Hi Neil,

You make some very valid points, and I agree with most of what you say. However.

There is a huge unbridgeable gap between a knowledgeable salesman (includes saleswomen) who knows his product inside and out, and a "telesales executive" reading a script. It is the latter I have a problem with.

I really enjoy talking to a good salesman who knows his stuff. In fact, that's one of the main reasons I go to trade fairs. You can learn more in 20 minutes about both company and product than you can from a week of web browsing.

One of the nice parts of my job is meetings with knowledgeable reps who visit us. Some of them are fantastic people, and a joy to spend half an hour with.

But this is very different from cold-calls to our customer support lines. These calls could never result in a sale, and are always, *always* made by totally clueless, untrained people.
 
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Finally some decent opinions. I agree and am the later sales rep myself. This was the point I was struggling to make.

Luke
 
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Well yes of course, because anybody telephoning a company to try to sell them something would be "clueless" if they used that company's customer support line to make the initial contact. Therefore all such calls are made by clueless people - who are "untrained" because an absolute basic of any sales training will be to find out at least a few fundamentals about your prospect (like doesn't appreciate sales calls on his/her customer support line!)

What is the problem is that if that fact is then seen to infer or suggest that all (cold) calls made by all sales people to all firms come from "totally clueless untrained" sales people.
 
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What is the problem is that if that fact is then seen to infer or suggest that all (cold) calls made by all sales people to all firms come from "totally clueless untrained" sales people.


But it is all a matter of perspective. I will explain.

We have a number of phone numbers. The ones which are most widely publicised, which are visible on a couple of hight traffic sites, are the customer support lines. We do have another phone number which gets you directly to our (non-customer-facing) office. By definition, this number is not plastered all over the place. It is findable, but it's not a great big banner.

If you look at the call distribution, it is those customer support lines that bear the brunt of it - they get vast volumes of cold calls. Our office number (the one which goes through to people you could actually sell to) gets hardly any.

So from my perspective, it is quite accurate to say "that all (cold) calls made by all sales people to my firm come from "totally clueless untrained" sales people.", because the statement applies to over 95% of the calls volume we experience.
 
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Yes, you're right sysops, but I think we're clarifying the same situation. Go back up the thread, however, and you'll see that there is plenty of inference that beating any and all sales people to a pulp, just because they are sales people (OK, making an "unsolicted" call - like "Buy my loverly bunch of 'nanas - only a pand") and accordingly deserve a slow and lingering death!!
 
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Yes, you're right sysops, but I think we're clarifying the same situation.

I think you're right, and that we are basically agreed.

Given this, what is the solution to the vast volume of low quality cold calls? Is it so wrong to hang up on them? Should I consider printing out a different sign? What should it say?
 
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No no, I think you're quite right in this specific circumstance. In an ideal world, lousy sales or marketing techniques will become less and less effective, even if they once had a novelty value that perhaps disguised such a thing. Then, slowly but surely, even the dimmest of managers, marketers or whomever will grasp the point that employing a bunch of illiterate monkeys and sticking them in front of an endless list of "prospect" telephone numbers is an expensive waste of everyone's time and money.

And it would speed this process mightily if increasing numbers of "sales" people also grasped this point, at the very start of their careers, if that's where they're at, and simply laughed at the boss who suggested it. And getting all the new recruits to consider that point would, in turn, be substantially more likely if all of us parents who had children looking around for a suitable career (and recruiters, employers and so on) would have a bit more respect for what "selling" entails, and how skilled and vital an activity it really, really is - 95% of the time.
 
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Yes, you're right sysops, but I think we're clarifying the same situation. Go back up the thread, however, and you'll see that there is plenty of inference that beating any and all sales people to a pulp, just because they are sales people (OK, making an "unsolicted" call - like "Buy my loverly bunch of 'nanas - only a pand") and accordingly deserve a slow and lingering death!!


Oh I wouldn't go that far, Neil; a quick flogging with a wet bunch of celery is punishment enough :)

One of my best friends is a salesman, and he's fab - and not the sort that I've moaned about in these threads. No means no, and that's how it should be :)

I've also built fantastic relationships with people who've called me with (for example) advertising opportunities; and the reason I've built such good relationships with them is they've done their homework before calling, don't resort to telling lies to get past the receptionist, and are happy to email if I don't want to talk on the phone.

It's not sales people I have a problem with - just some of the tactics they use to get people to talk to them.

Thanks for adding your side to the story in such a reasoned, intelligent and non-abusive way :)
 
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Unfortunately we don't get the chance to admire a great telesales call because we're all inundated with the crap ones - my company gets upwards of 30 every day so I'm afraid, like others here, none of them get to talk to anybody - regardless of how entertaining they may have been.

When I want to talk to sales people I research what I want and give them a call and quite often they are very nice people with a good knowledge of what they do - and why wouldn't they be?

But mostly, like everyone else, I rely on industry contacts and recommendation.
 
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“Ooh, d’ya know, I went down the market the other day and there were 20 different fruit and veg stalls, and all of them were shouting about what loverly ‘nanas they had, and how cheap they were. It was an appalling noise, really – someone should shut them up so I can just go quietly round and see for myself, in peace!” (Squire Grump – owner – village square, Principal - MarketStallsRUs)

“Yeah, well I tell you what really got my goat (ha – geddit!) was this new-fangled e-mail rubbish. It’s worse than a load of tinned ham. Actually that’s a good name for it – I’ll try that. Lord knows where they got my email address in the first place, I’m certainly not giving it out to anyone in future.” (Mr E Lec-Tronic – Sales Director, AOL)

“Oh no, it’s so much worse when they actually send you stuff in the post. I mean somehow they get your name, and then write to you pretending it’s a personal matter. When really all they’ve done is get some dubious organisation to make a load of telephone calls to find out everyone’s names, and then use the information like postcodes, or credit rating, to pick the ones they think might be interested, and stick this rubbish in the post. We’re just not going to give our names out to anyone anymore, that should stop it.” (Brain Ded – CEO – Experian)

“Unfortunately we don't get the chance to admire a great telesales call because we're all inundated with the crap ones - my company gets upwards of 30 every day so I'm afraid, like others here, none of them get to talk to anybody - regardless of how entertaining they may have been.” (CJD – Un-Principal – Voipfone - Modern & Sophisticated Telephone Services for Small Businesses
 
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Neil, please try to stop the childish name-calling to confine yourself to civilised debate.
 
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Well, personally, I don’t really see referring to someone (you) as “unprincipled” is particularly childish name-calling. The others are fictional (or semi-fictional) examples of related issues, designed (I hoped) to be using a bit of sarcasm and wit to illustrate the point.

I do most definitely feel, as I discussed with you on the other thread, that it is hypocritical of you to be supplying telephone systems to call centres and then complaining that they use them to make sales telephone calls. In just the same way as it is hypocritical of AOL to withhold email addresses for their staff and Experian to have a no-names policy.

You do, of course, have a right and the freedom to avoid sales and marketing output that doesn’t fit in with your way of working. But I don’t agree that that gives you the right to tell the world that they should also try to negate any and all telesales, cold-calling or telemarketing activity. You’ve hinted elsewhere that you do in fact accept incoming sales calls, if they are correctly targeted, researched, relevant, appealing and so on, so I think it is this aspect of telesales that you should be explaining, if, in fact, you do wish to help either of these thread openers to improve their business practice.

And “gloating” (as you did on the other thread) about the anti-telesales tool that the 166 extension on your systems operate – with the very rude and offensive message that it contains, which may well end up being what a solid, professional, top quality sales person could end up hearing, is by far more childish, petty and irresponsible than me having a dig at your comment here.
 
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it is hypocritical of you to be supplying telephone systems to call centres and then complaining that they use them to make sales telephone calls.

I am not complaining that people use my company to make sales calls - I welcome it - so long as they do it legally. What other people use my products for is, quite simply, non of my business - again, so long as what they do is lawful. The fact that I shield myself from unwanted calls IS my business and my right.

You do, of course, have a right and the freedom to avoid sales and marketing output that doesn’t fit in with your way of working.

Thank you, I agree

But I don’t agree that that gives you the right to tell the world that they should also try to negate any and all telesales, cold-calling or telemarketing activity.

I have the same right to air my opinion as you or anyone else here. The fact that I own a telephone company is irrelevant. Had I shouted out loud in support of telesales because it would be good for my business to do so - which it would - then you may have the right to call me a hypocrite. As it is, the word that may fit your purpose better is ironic.

You’ve hinted elsewhere that you do in fact accept incoming sales calls, if they are correctly targeted, researched, relevant, appealing and so on, so I think it is this aspect of telesales that you should be explaining, if, in fact, you do wish to help either of these thread openers to improve their business practice.

I don't accept inbound sales calls except from companies and people I have a relationship with - but I do agree that there are many professional sales people out there - unfortunately they are lost in the noise of all the dross.

It's not up to me to defend your industry - that's your job.

And “gloating” (as you did on the other thread) about the anti-telesales tool that the 166 extension on your systems operate – with the very rude and offensive message that it contains, which may well end up being what a solid, professional, top quality sales person could end up hearing, is by far more childish, petty and irresponsible than me having a dig at your comment here.

I have said many times but I guess I have to just keep on saying it - it is not automatic. To hear that message you to have been sent to it by someone who does not want your call. If you are are a professional, top quality, telesales guy you will never get to hear it because the people you call will be hanging onto your every word - so you have nothing to fear.

In fact, as a top quality, solid and professional salesperson you should be promoting it on your web site so that the crappy, arrogant, insistent and useless telesales people get fed up hearing it and give up. A situation we'd all be very happy with.

For those who are wondering what we're on about, you can hear it by calling the number below. You can also decide for yourself whether it's funny or "rude and offensive". We had fun doing it at least:

0871 8077166
(sorry about the 0871 number - our customers get it free).
 
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I have said many times but I guess I have to just keep on saying it - it is not automatic. To hear that message you to have been sent to it by someone who does not want your call. If you are are a professional, top quality, telesales guy you will never get to hear it because the people you call will be hanging onto your every word - so you have nothing to fear.

This is the bit where you’re wrong. You absolutely must be aware that UK business, in general, works along herd-instinct (“best”-practice) lines. Rude receptionists, is what we’re discussing here, and cold-calling techniques on the other one. These are generalised situations, styles of behaviour, and methods of working.

You may hope, or intend, that the lack of automation on your 166 system means that it is fool-proof, and that harassed, over-worked, underpaid receptionists will take the time and trouble to listen to and assess each separate incoming call, and that each one of the 66,000 calls that have hit those witty and charming buffers have fully deserved it. But I know, and you know that, in the real world, this is simply not the case. “People” – generally – adopt a certain style of behaviour or method of working and “rude receptionists”, certainly the ones I’ve encountered, are simply not interested in trying to sort out which calls are “cold”, “irrelevant”, “unsolicited” or a “sales” call even.

For example, you have now indicated an interest in getting some promotional activity going with us so, if I now felt that I knew about you and Voipfone sufficiently well to telephone you and discuss how you might benefit from advertising on ModernSelling.com, how likely do you think it is that your receptionist would say “we don’t accept uninvited sales calls” (sticking me in a 166 hell-hole to prove the point)? She might try and qualify it with “Is he expecting your call? – No”, or “Can I tell him what it’s regarding? – I want to sell him some advertising space” – but you can see that there are endless scenarios where I might still slip down that ol’ 166 chute.

And this assumes that your receptionist is not of a “rude” disposition. Lots are, and that makes them a lot more trigger-happy than you are suggesting.
 
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“People” – generally – adopt a certain style of behaviour or method of working and “rude receptionists”, certainly the ones I’ve encountered, are simply not interested in trying to sort out which calls are “cold”, “irrelevant”, “unsolicited” or a “sales” call even.

These are your problems to solve not mine. My case is that cold calling is now so prevalent and intrusive that people have been forced to raise barriers to defend themselves against it - hence this thread.

For example, you have now indicated an interest in getting some promotional activity going with us so, if I now felt that I knew about you and Voipfone sufficiently well to telephone you and discuss how you might benefit from advertising on ModernSelling.com, how likely do you think it is that your receptionist would say “we don’t accept uninvited sales calls” (sticking me in a 166 hell-hole to prove the point)? She might try and qualify it with “Is he expecting your call? – No”, or “Can I tell him what it’s regarding? – I want to sell him some advertising space” – but you can see that there are endless scenarios where I might still slip down that ol’ 166 chute.

This is what will happen if you call us and ask to speak to say, the marketing Director or the CEO.

You'll be asked why, and if it's a sales call. Normally you will be told (politely) that the Directors don't take sales calls but if you email us, one of them will see it and will call you back if they're interested.

If you sound like you might know one of us, or if they are in any doubt, you will be put on hold while they check with me or the relevant director. You may or may not get through. If you do get through, chances are you'll get a hearing but like as not you'll get a polite 'no thanks'.

If you call back - and are recognised - you'll be told not to call again(politely). If you persist, as likely as not you'll get 166. If you really persist your number will be call barred.

I'm sure you and your industry would really like to be able to talk to whoever you want, whenever you want - that's just an unreasonable position to take.
 
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I think that we live in a world where a commercialsed approach to promoting sales is a necessary evil for quite a number of people. It does work and it makes them a living, otherwise they would not do it. For those in the envious position of not needing to employ what they see as dubious tactics, that is fair enough. What is annoying however is the smug, condescension that seems to abound in these forums when someone is perceived not to be whiter than white. I suspect that few among us (especially the successful ones) will not have been guilty of a little relaxing of our morals occasionally when it comes to earning a living. Cold calling is here to stay so live with it. How these important individuals who are so busy that they cant field a few calls manage to find the time to be so verbose in these forums is to say the least rather surprising.
 
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I think that we live in a world where a commercialsed approach to promoting sales is a necessary evil for quite a number of people. It does work and it makes them a living, otherwise they would not do it. For those in the envious position of not needing to employ what they see as dubious tactics, that is fair enough. What is annoying however is the smug, condescension that seems to abound in these forums when someone is perceived not to be whiter than white. I suspect that few among us (especially the successful ones) will not have been guilty of a little relaxing of our morals occasionally when it comes to earning a living. Cold calling is here to stay so live with it. How these important individuals who are so busy that they cant field a few calls manage to find the time to be so verbose in these forums is to say the least rather surprising.

And you clearly mark yourself as a typical telemarketer, resorting to abuse of those who don't want to waste their time on calls.

Oh that it were "a few calls"

It's also very helpful of you to imply that people should spend less time posting on here, and presumably free up more time to listen to what may well turn out to be a turgid written script for a product that they don't need. :rolleyes:

Cold calling is here to stay. The TPS is here to stay so live with that.
 
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And you clearly mark yourself as a typical telemarketer, resorting to abuse of those who don't want to waste their time on calls.

Oh that it were "a few calls"

It's also very helpful of you to imply that people should spend less time posting on here, and presumably free up more time to listen to what may well turn out to be a turgid written script for a product that they don't need. :rolleyes:

Cold calling is here to stay. The TPS is here to stay so live with that.

Firstly. Your ridiculous assumption about me is entirely wrong, I am not a telemarketer.

Second, I did not resort to abuse, but if the cap fits wear it. Your very tone proves my point.

Third, I dont care what people spend their time on, but the point is still valid. If someone spends inordinate amounts of time slagging people off on here (at great length), then I would have thought that they would be better off doing something more productive.
 
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Just remember that every 'no' is one step closer to a 'yes' and get on with it. Also work on what you can control which is your call rate and your approach.
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Just remember that every 'no' is one step closer to a 'yes' and get on with it. Also work on what you can control which is your call rate and your approach.
Chris Kaday
Sales coach

Totally disagree.

Before anyone starts working on how to control call rate and approach they should first learn professionalism. This has been mentioned so many times throughout this thread but always seems to be pushed away for some reason. the general consensus on this thread so far seems to be that if the callers were professional and came across as such then the majority of us (even those who loath cold callers) would in fact listen and take the call.

Most telesales operations have not evolved or moved on and use training techniques and practises that were first introduced in the early eighties by the double glazing firms. They spend a day or so briefly going over product training and then spend a few hours on technique, along with a short lesson on how to get past the receptionist. They are trained that it is purely a numbers game, they are encouraged to shorten the scripts to enable more calls to be made.

Saying that every "no" is one step closer to a "yes" is very much out of the 1980's telesales manual. I for one would say that every step towards coming across as a professional is at least one step closer to a "yes". The very basics here and it seems to be generally agreed upon is that, The true professional (the one who comes across as professional) will have more people willing to listen to them and more people willing to discuss things with them, that in itself speaks volumes. Sadly the trainers, managers, supervisors find it easier to implement antiquated practises and will encourage the blanket numbers game, regardless of how many companies they annoy along the way.

Regards
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I'm sure you and your industry would really like to be able to talk to whoever you want, whenever you want - that's just an unreasonable position to take.

I have never yet met one single sales person (or telemarketer, cold-caller, door-to-door even) who prefers doing battle with rude receptionists or 166 systems rather than talking to a decision maker and agreeing a sale. All we all want, and have ever wanted, is to find the most efficient way of talking to those decision makers, at the appropriate moment in time. But that does mean that we have to try and find out who the buyer is and when they might (or might not) be interested, at the very least.

For most sales people, and most firms, it is not an option to sit and wait for a buyer to find them. And you are fooling yourself if you think that simply trusting the nation’s “buyers” (be they professional, outsourced or occasional director/owner types) to create a remotely effective marketplace is also an option. If that’s what we did, most of us would be unemployed and UK PLC most definitely would not be where it is today.

Generally speaking, sales people do their very best to make themselves available at a time and place of the buyer’s choosing, using the buyer's preferred method of contact. Buyers are very fickle creatures though, moving from:-

“Hey, we’ve got a telephone system now you know, would you mind making a telephone call first to find out if/how/where/when our buyer might want to meet you before you come knocking on the door?”

through to

“Look, I use the internet, so if you want to be in the frame when I get into buying mode, just make sure you’ve sent me an email that’s to hand when I decide, or make sure your firm is top of the list when I Google “telephone services for small businesses”.

or “I’ll come and see you at an exhibition” or “We rely on trade publications to provide the choices we need” or “Do you think it would have been better to research our likely needs first, and then written to us” or “I’ve never heard of you – so that must mean I should only buy IBM” etc. etc..

So it’s a shared problem, for buyers and sellers alike, and that gets us back to Georgina’s original question about whether employing, encouraging or allowing rudeness on your reception is an appropriate, sensible response?

Personally, I mail, telephone, email and visit clients, and would exhibit if there were an appropriate audience. I also work pretty hard online to make my site easy to find and accessible. But not all sales people are given those kinds of freedoms and systems, and I still think that it is disingenuous (and ironic if you like) to be making a living out of sticking a load of telephone systems into the market and then joining in with the complaints about how too many firms find using the telephone, to try to open dialogues, a cost-effective option. Sure, a lot of them are clumsy, inefficient, badly prepared, poorly researched, etc., but convince me that the buyers are any better!

How many times have I had communication with one type of buyer or another, right up to supposed “professionals” who haven’t got the vaguest notion about what they really want, what’s available, what works and how, what it costs and so on? That’ll try the patience of a saint, I can tell you, way more than answering the phone a few times a day.
 
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As I hinted at in a previous post, I have little problem with a caller who
is honest upfront, says who they represent, gets straight to the point, and
doesn't push things if I say we are not interested.

The ones I don't like are the ones who don't treat it as a sales call, try to
get all personal, ask my name, try to act all friendly, and don't take no for
an answer.
 
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Thanks for your input Gary

Actually professionalism (whatever that means) is part of approach.

My telephone marketing company made highly complex technical calls to senior decision makers in the world’s largest corporates in 15 languages across Europe. So we might be approaching the top IT decision makers in Barclays bank to make appointments for Lucent salespeople to sell them switches. Cisco, Hewlett Packard, Oracle, Alcatel. Sun, IBM and the rest were all our clients and some of them paid us six figure sums to do this work.

I find that most of those who comment negatively on telephone marketing have either never done it in volume themselves or certainly not successfully. The point of the NO to a yes is that there will always be people who will be rude to you but as long as you are being polite you just move on. It has nothing whatsoever to do with double glazing which always seems to be cited when discussing telephone sales.

I can train anyone with the right mentality and application to carry out highly professional business to business calling and indeed do so for one of my clients who sell a five figure value product into private and public sector organisations over the phone without leaving their office.

Of course telephoning is only part of a total direct marketing strategy but that is another story

Chris Kaday
Sales coach
Totally disagree.

Before anyone starts working on how to control call rate and approach they should first learn professionalism. This has been mentioned so many times throughout this thread but always seems to be pushed away for some reason. the general consensus on this thread so far seems to be that if the callers were professional and came across as such then the majority of us (even those who loath cold callers) would in fact listen and take the call.

Most telesales operations have not evolved or moved on and use training techniques and practises that were first introduced in the early eighties by the double glazing firms. They spend a day or so briefly going over product training and then spend a few hours on technique, along with a short lesson on how to get past the receptionist. They are trained that it is purely a numbers game, they are encouraged to shorten the scripts to enable more calls to be made.

Saying that every "no" is one step closer to a "yes" is very much out of the 1980's telesales manual. I for one would say that every step towards coming across as a professional is at least one step closer to a "yes". The very basics here and it seems to be generally agreed upon is that, The true professional (the one who comes across as professional) will have more people willing to listen to them and more people willing to discuss things with them, that in itself speaks volumes. Sadly the trainers, managers, supervisors find it easier to implement antiquated practises and will encourage the blanket numbers game, regardless of how many companies they annoy along the way.

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Gary
 
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I was talking to a friend of mine in the pub last night about this. His technique of dealing with unwanted cold calls is to say:

"Thanks for calling but I'm a bit busy at the moment can you give me your home number and I'll call you this evening when I've got a bit more time." He's never got one to give it out yet.

Anyway , none of you defenders of telesales are dealing with the volume problem which is a big reason why people defend themselves - even if ONLY properly professional calls were made; there'd still be too many to deal with.

btw - yesterday morning - Sunay at home - I got two automated junk calls offering me a cruise and an investment. AND I am on TPS. Sure, this is ilegal and, sure it's unprofessional and of course no-one here would do this. But this is the reality that the telesales industry has to deal with. We all need spam filters.
 
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There is a huge difference between calling consumers into the home and B2B. I have never called into the home apart from recruiting research panels. If you want to stop home calls join the telephone preference service and also go exdirectory. The fact remains that B2B calling when well done well is a great way for many in here to grow there businesses once they get over their resistance.

Chris Kaday
Business coach

I was talking to a friend of mine in the pub last night about this. His technique of dealing with unwanted cold calls is to say:

"Thanks for calling but I'm a bit busy at the moment can you give me your home number and I'll call you this evening when I've got a bit more time." He's never got one to give it out yet.

Anyway , none of you defenders of telesales are dealing with the volume problem which is a big reason why people defend themselves - even if ONLY properly professional calls were made; there'd still be too many to deal with.

btw - yesterday morning - Sunay at home - I got two automated junk calls offering me a cruise and an investment. AND I am on TPS. Sure, this is ilegal and, sure it's unprofessional and of course no-one here would do this. But this is the reality that the telesales industry has to deal with. We all need spam filters.
 
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There is a huge difference between calling consumers into the home and B2B. I have never called into the home apart from recruiting research panels. If you want to stop home calls join the telephone preference service and also go exdirectory.

Like I say, I've been on TPS for many years - I still get 5 or 6 per week. At least I know that any call I do receive is from a really crap company that doesn't know or care about TPS so I can just hang up without conscience.
 
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The fact remains that B2B calling when well done well is a great way for many in here to grow there businesses once they get over their resistance.

Chris Kaday
Business coach

Exactly, especially smaller businesses that want to get in front of larger corporates. Other marketing alternatives such as effective SEO, Advertising campaigns etc work fantastically for most target markets such as small businesses and consumers.

However if I want to get an answer about my product or service from the Marketing director of Sainsbury's or Vodafone, telemarketing is pretty much the only way to get heard
 
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I was talking to a friend of mine in the pub last night about this. His technique of dealing with unwanted cold calls is to say:

"Thanks for calling but I'm a bit busy at the moment can you give me your home number and I'll call you this evening when I've got a bit more time." He's never got one to give it out yet.

I work from home lots of the time, so it amounts to the same number but I'd happily speak to him out of normal work hours - if he were genuine of course.

Anyway , none of you defenders of telesales are dealing with the volume problem which is a big reason why people defend themselves - even if ONLY properly professional calls were made; there'd still be too many to deal with.

If we are agreeing that a "properly professional call" is one that has spent some time researching your company, ideally to the point where the caller knows that you either already make use of a similar product and service and theirs will definitely give you some kind of competitive advantage, or that you have the right profile to make use of their all new, all singing all dancing whatever, then I doubt we're talking more than 5 calls a day for even a 50 man company. And that's not too many to deal with, for most. One good way to help would be to check out what anybody buying a new, multi-station, VoiP system with millions of cheap/free calls presumably planned, was actually going to use it for? And, if it were at all suspect activity, point out that calls to TPS/CTPS are definitely a no-no. I think the mega-corporates are always going to have bigger volumes of everything to deal with, but per capita it's probably no worse. Can be a problem if you stick all the traffic for 1,000+ people through one harassed receptionist, but we need to decide what staffing levels are appropriate for buyers too.

btw - yesterday morning - Sunay at home - I got two automated junk calls offering me a cruise and an investment. AND I am on TPS. Sure, this is ilegal and, sure it's unprofessional and of course no-one here would do this. But this is the reality that the telesales industry has to deal with. We all need spam filters.

And I just see this as yet more of the generalised nonsense you seem keen to throw into this debate. Getting the equivalent of a charity clothing collection bag or new pizza menu stuffed through your letter box at home, even in a "no cold calling" zone, does not mean that all written B2B correspondence is a) crap and b) should be guarded with a Rotweiler in reception to attack the postman - or an amusing little maze that you send him down with messages on the wall saying he'll find a load of other posties down here if he keeps walking - here's a tune to keep you happy "dum dum...King of the Road....."
 
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And I just see this as yet more of the generalised nonsense you seem keen to throw into this debate. Getting the equivalent of a charity clothing collection bag or new pizza menu stuffed through your letter box at home, even in a "no cold calling" zone, does not mean that all written B2B correspondence is a) crap and b) should be guarded with a Rotweiler in reception to attack the postman - or an amusing little maze that you send him down with messages on the wall saying he'll find a load of other posties down here if he keeps walking - here's a tune to keep you happy "dum dum...King of the Road....."

This is getting tedious, even for me.

Please look up the meaning of 'straw man argumument' Better still, just read about it:

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man," one describes a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view, yet is easier to refute, then attributes that position to the opponent. For example, someone might deliberately overstate the opponent's position.[1] While a straw man argument may work as a rhetorical technique—and succeed in persuading people—it carries little or no real evidential weight, since the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
 
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or you could look up hypocrisy and try to convince us all again that the fact that you make a living selling telephone systems to facilitate low cost, high volume B2B use has absolutely no connection, whatsoever, with the fact that there are a lot of such calls, and that you object to them.
 
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or you could look up hypocrisy and try to convince us all again that the fact that you make a living selling telephone systems to facilitate low cost, high volume B2B use has absolutely no connection, whatsoever, with the fact that there are a lot of such calls, and that you object to them.

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
 
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Well, at least we seem to have got to the bottom of the question about why some firms employ rude and condescending receptionists. Not sure what to do about it though.
 
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