Kleenze, Betterware catalogues etc...

[DotNetWebs]

...Short of knocking on every door and annoying you further, how else do I determine who wants to buy from my catalogue?...

Hailey

You are clearly one of the agents that does stick at it and I wish you were the agent in my area because we would not have new agents harassing us every 5 minutes.

If Kleenze Betterware etc. want to improve their public image they could run a CENTRAL REGISTER that allows you to opt out of these catalogues once and for all. This is how direct marketing works now for mail, telephone calls and (in theory) emails.

Until such a register is set up you are always going to find some resentment to what you are doing.

Regards

Dotty

 

[DotNetWebs]

Lol I am not stupid enough to go on a recruiting drive on this forum.

lol - In answer to a guy looking for home-based SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT work

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=41524

I can help you make an extra income around all your other commitments. Although this business looks simple you learn a lot and pick up a lot of new skills too.

check out my site on my profile and read others stories.

This is a fantastic business and well established. You also receive full support to help you achieve what you need.

Give me a shout if you would like a chat, and goodluck in your search..

Regards

Dotty

 

[Hailey]

A register would certainly be a good idea, would make my job a lot easier too. I am not entiley sure how it would work on such a large scale or I would happily suggest it to kleeneze. Kleeneze agents do not have terroritories like other catalogue distributors. We can do business where ever we like. To be honest the situation can be just as frustrating for myself. All these people that dabble in Kleeneze and do not stick it damage my (and other serious distributors) reputations. We are in no way connected or responsible for any other distributor not in our teams.

In my experience I have spent a lot of time building up trust with my customers as they love Kleeneze products but are fed up with distributors coming and going. It appears that Kleeneze charging for their catalogues is not a strong enough deterrent for those that just want an easy way to get rich quick and are want to sit on their backsides. Maybe Kleeneze and such markets should reassess the way they market their industry to people to prevent such distributors from existing in the first place.

 

[Hailey]

Appoligies Dotty

I was simply answering the part about him wishing to learn new skills and earn an extra income around what he was currently already doing.

Sorry if anyone took this the wrong way, I am not here to recruit I am merely curios of peoples perceptions of my industry and how I can go about changing them.

 

[DotNetWebs]

Appoligies Dotty...

No need. I was being a bit sarcastic I know. You will probably have guessed that due to past experience Kleeneze agents are generally not exactly my favourite people.

I shouldn't prejudge people and you come across like a very nice and sensible person - sorry.

Welcome to the forums BTW.

Regards

Dotty

 

[Hailey]

Thank you Dotty

No need for appoligy, I would not be in this business if I couldn't deal with that sort of reaction. I completely understand why people react that way as I know a lot of people in this industry are irresponsible, however I have met a lot of very nice people who are running their Kleeneze business's very professionally and successfully. This is the only point I am trying to get across.

We are not all bad, honest

 

[ADAMATKIN84]

I do not work for kleeneze or betterware or any catalogue company for that matter and nor do i buy from them.
However i dont have a problem having the catalogues placed through my door if i dont want want it it just goes straight back outside its not as though its causing me any hassle.
I dont see why in this day and age people find they have to be so grumpy and complain about everything. Half of the time it is people who spend to much time in their house and dont get out enough that do nothing but complain about these small things, i could understand if they were hammering on your door getting you to buy but they are not they are just placing a catalogue through your door.
what makes me laugh is when people complain about that being put through the door then a wickes book comes through the door and they are pleased to see it because its a grumpy old guy with nothing better to do.
My oppinion is people need to stop moaning about others trying to earn decent money without claiming the social.
i have seen these people myself and know they work extremely hard.I coulnt do it so i dont think that we should jusge.

 

[DotNetWebs]

I do not work for kleeneze or betterware or any catalogue company for that matter...

Really????:

http://www.ukjobadverts.co.uk/advertdetail.aspx?jbID=2481



Regards

Dotty

 

[DotNetWebs]

And:

<smokinggun>

http://www.kleenezeforums.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1863

</smokinggun>



Regards

Dotty

 

[Rhyl Lightworks]

Just leave any catalogues pushed through your door on the doorstep (weighed down by a stone if necessary). The agent picks them up without disturbing you.
Barrie

 

[DotNetWebs]

Just leave any catalogues pushed through your door on the doorstep (weighed down by a stone if necessary). The agent picks them up without disturbing you.
Barrie

The point is WHY should you have to clutter up your drive with these things? In Horsham we are swamped with agents. More often than not they do not collect them when they say they will. You could end up with 2 or 3 catalogues on your doorstep for weeks at a time.

It’s just like spam. Like spam if you encourage them they will only send you more.

Regards

Dotty

 

[cjd]

Stick them straight in the recycling bin - it's junk just like the doubleglazing ads.

 

[Deleted member 3454]

Stick them straight in the recycling bin - it's junk just like the doubleglazing ads.

Some years ago I was a distributor for a short space of time for a company that has now gone bust and who's name I've forgotten (!) and I had to purchase the catalogues to distribute so throwing them away or recycling them is a bit unfair. They are often left in plastic bags so I always leave them outside the door for up to a week.

At one time we had two Kleeneze agents that put their catalogues through the door in the same week. I left both catalogues outside with a note saying that only one of them leave a catalogue and I've never received one since!

 

[cjd]

.....I had to purchase the catalogues to distribute so throwing them away or recycling them is a bit unfair.

Yes I know and I thought about that.

My conclusion was that it isn't my problem who's paying for the junk that's put through my door and decided I wasn't going to be morally blackmailed.

These poor people have been conned into believing that pyramid schemes are a good idea - the fastest way they can find out that they're not is if we all throw their junk into the bin.

I also thought that it would be a quick way of stopping them sticking it through my door - that proved to be wrong - I get one every few months, regardless. I even stopped one and told her not to push one through my door because I'm not buying anything and she won't get it back.

Made no diference.

(ps I do know the legal difference between MLM and pyramid schemes; but I see no ethical difference.)

 

[DotNetWebs]

Excellent post CJD

The vast majority of new catalogue 'agents' are being exploited. The real money is in the recruiting of new 'agents'. Its not about the products.

Type Kleeneze into Google:

http://www.Google.co.auk/search?hl=en&a=kleeneze&meta=

Do any of these websites sell Kleeneze products?? NO They are all about recruiting new people into Kleeneze (including the 'official' site). If you mention the word 'pyramid' to a Kleeneze agent they will get all defensive and spew the same old mantra - "pyramid selling is illegal" etc.

ADAMATKIN84 (the person who says he has nothing to do with Kleeneze but posts on Kleeneze forums looking for new leads and says "started Kleeneze in February 2005") compares a Kleenze catalogue to a Wickes catalogue. But let me tell you the difference Adam:

WICKES DO NOT COME KNOCKING ON OUR DOORS DEMANDING THEIR CATALOGUES BACK AFTER WE HAVE REPEATEDLY TOLD THEM WE WOULD LIKE THEM TO STOP.

Regards

Dotty

 

[Briar]

Just leave a note in the catalogue pack stating that you don't want any more.If the distributor changes, you may havew to repeat this process again but so what? Tthe nature of the business is that new distributors are not aware of what has gone before so it's not their fault and they shouldn't be pilloried for that.

 

[DotNetWebs]

As I have said many times before - WHY should we have to REPEATEDLY have to ask for these catalogues to stop. Thanks to the TPS and MPS we can now put a permanent stop to unwanted telephone calls and junk mail. We should be able to do the same with unwanted catalogues.

I note the you too are en ex Kleeneze agent Briar. It does only seem to be people who are connected with Kleeneze who think its unreasonable to throw them straight it the recycle bin.

Regards

Dotty

 

[Morgan]

As I have said many times before - WHY should we have to REPEATEDLY have to ask for these catalogues to stop. Thanks to the TPS and MPS we can now put a permanent stop to unwanted telephone calls and junk mail. We should be able to do the same with unwanted catalogues.

I note the you too are en ex Kleeneze agent Briar. It does only seem to be people who are connected with Kleeneze who think its unreasonable to throw them straight it the recycle bin.

Regards

Dotty

Not true, I'm in no way connected and I think it's unreasonable (for the reasons I've said before)

 

[DotNetWebs]

Not true, I'm in no way connected and I think it's unreasonable (for the reasons I've said before)

Fair cop. Perhaps I should have said it is MAINLY people connected with Kleeneze etc....

Regards

Dotty

 

[DotNetWebs]

...and I think it's unreasonable (for the reasons I've said before)

And when you read the full circumstances of the person making the initial complaint you did actually agree with me. (At least back then anyway)

Regards

Dotty

 

[Deleted member 3454]

It does only seem to be people who are connected with Kleeneze who think its unreasonable to throw them straight it the recycle bin.

I think that's a wide generalisation - I've never had any association with Kleeneze but I don't think it's right that the catalogues are thrown away/recycled. If you have asked for the Kleeneze rep to stop delivering and they refuse then I would take it up with Kleeneze.

 

[Morgan]

And when you read the full circumstances of the person making the initial complaint you did actually agree with me. (At least back then anyway)

Regards

Dotty

I'll your word Dotty - I can't remember to be honest and I'm not re-reading 6 pages (!) but generally speaking I personally think its unreasonable to destroy the catalogue and I will always return them

Oh, nice work by the way finding how that poster was linked to the company - you should be a P.I.

 

[DotNetWebs]

...If you have asked for the Kleeneze rep to stop delivering and they refuse then I would take it up with Kleeneze.

Tried that it doesn't work.

Kleenze activity encourage their agents to 'overlap' each others territories. Kleeneze say it is down to the individual agents or people above them in the chain to decide which houses they will deliver to.

If you live on estate that is seen as rich pickings by Kleeneze agents you will be swamped with catalogues. And of course it's not just Kleenze but Betterware, Avon etc.

Remeber I started this thread to highlight a post that was made on my Horsham Forum.

Kleeneze Thread

I identified with the problem that "Ernie" (a night shift worker) has had. He "played the game", leaving the catalogues out with notes many times, before getting frustrated and starting to bin them.

 

[maxine]

I personally believe that kleeneze catalogues should fall under the MPS banner so that individuals have a right to request that these are not distributed to them in the first place. I agree that it is no big deal to put them on your doorstep with a note but there should also be an option for people who are adamant they do not want any catalogues delivered...ever...by anyone!

Oh, and while we are at it I think the same should apply to door to door canvassers who think they are exempt from any notices because they have just come out of prison and "they are doing this because their probation officer has suggested it"

 

[DotNetWebs]

Oh, nice work by the way finding how that poster was linked to the company - you should be a P.I.

lol thanks.

Regards

Dotty

 

[DotNetWebs]

I personally believe that kleeneze catalogues should fall under the MPS banner so that individuals have a right to request that these are not distributed to them in the first place. I agree that it is no big deal to put them on your doorstep with a note but there should also be an option for people who are adamant they do not want any catalogues delivered...ever...by anyone!

Exactly. Excellent post.

I have never thought it a problem to put the catalogues out the first (or even second or maybe the third time) they arrive BUT when you have a massive turnover of agents and the catalogues remain uncollected, or are picked up by different agents (leading to the first agent complaining), the novelty soon wears off.

People like Ernie are getting their sleep disturbed by agents persistently banging on the door. Surely it's not unreasonable to expect to be able to stop these catalogues once and for all.

Regards

Dotty

 

[Briar]

As I have said many times before - WHY should we have to REPEATEDLY have to ask for these catalogues to stop. Thanks to the TPS and MPS we can now put a permanent stop to unwanted telephone calls and junk mail. We should be able to do the same with unwanted catalogues.

I note the you too are en ex Kleeneze agent Briar. It does only seem to be people who are connected with Kleeneze who think its unreasonable to throw them straight it the recycle bin.

Regards

Dotty

You could be right there Dotty! Although I haven't been involved with Kleeneze for quite some time now, I DO remember what a hard slog it is to make money from it so maybe I'm being a bit more sympathetic!

 

[DotNetWebs]

You could be right there Dotty! Although I haven't been involved with Kleeneze for quite some time now, I DO remember what a hard slog it is to make money from it so maybe I'm being a bit more sympathetic!

Thanks Briar

I am sure it is a very hard slog making money out of Kleeneze. Believe it or not I do have some sympathy for the agents. The problem is many of them are led into it thinking it is easy money. In reality it is very hard work trying to sell to uninterested customers who have been swamped with catalogues from your rivals

Here is an interesting thread on the Kleeneze forums:

http://www.kleenezeforums.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=2463

Several posters talk about having to compete with SIX OR MORE agents. There are some great quotes here too:

"also a few years ago some customers were getting books twice a week the meldrews were getting annoyed - so what"

"When I started 6 years ago I had 6 other kleeneze distributors to compete with, one bettaware and one avon"

"we have several kze distributors around us including a couple on our street ..but I know for certain if you gave me 50 current kze books.. we would go out and have £500 in retail within 3 days. if not more."

"don`t forget that there are people everywhere turning 18 every day aswell as, and I don`t mean to sound too frank, people dying every day."

This shows that some of the agents have a ruthless attitude to their work. These are the ones that will succeed. The other will soon get tired of the hard work, loosing catalogues and being "meldrewed". Unfortunately they will soon be replaced with others who are led to believe it is an easy income.

If you are unfortunate enough to live in a saturated area this is what you are up against. Imagine one of the ruthless agents has left you a catalogue. You put it outside and one of the other agents accidentally (or purposely) picks it up. Do you think Mr Ruthless is going to care if you are sleeping off a nightshift when he comes to pick it up? If you car is on the drive he will knock on the door until he wakes you.

As Maxine said earlier, catalogues should be regulated in a similar fashion to the Mailing Preference Service. The ironic thing is such a scheme would reduce the 'slog' of the Kleeneze agent since they would know in advance where all the "Meldrews" lived!"

Regards

Dotty

 

[Briar]

IAs Maxine said earlier, catalogues should be regulated in a similar fashion to the Mailing Preference Service. The ironic thing is such a scheme would reduce the 'slog' of the Kleeneze agent since they would know in advance where all the "Meldrews" lived!"

Regards

Dotty

I was told that many local authorities are reveiwing their policies on door to door salepeople with the intention of implementing restrictions. This piece of information was an additional reason for me to fold my Kleeneze business! So, you never know Dot, the time may well be coming when you won't receive any more catalogues!

 

just a quick thing here, it seems i am a little late and have found myself bundled into this trap my sponser "failed" to inform me about buying catalogues and the other various expensies of joining kleeneze and i presume there are a few peopel who have been in the company before

does anyone know how to quit and get my registration fees back i have been with them about a week anyone able to help

 

[Briar]

just a quick thing here, it seems i am a little late and have found myself bundled into this trap my sponser "failed" to inform me about buying catalogues and the other various expensies of joining kleeneze and i presume there are a few peopel who have been in the company before

does anyone know how to quit and get my registration fees back i have been with them about a week anyone able to help

If I remember correctly, you just contact the distributor services and inform them. They should then advise you of what to do next and will probably arrange for collection of your kit/catalogues etc.

 

[ADAMATKIN84]

I personaly dont have a problem with the catalogue goingthrough my doodr if i dont want it i put it back out again its not as though is junking up my house outside.
i dont see personaly what peoples problems are there are just to many people in the world who just wanna find excuses to moan about things. Notice most of these people are people who are always in when the catalogues put through the door. Meaning there sat on their arse bored and have nothing better to do. I also noticed that those people are the same ones who repeatedly have to moan on threads on the forum. Seems as though they need to get out more,
All i can say is i admire the people who are willing to work hard for extra cash i dont think i could work as hard as they do.

 

[simdriver2003]

I am a Kleeneze agent and have been for about 14 months. I work Full time and work Kleeneze around my spare time to make a bit extra.

I agree with Earnie, if i was in his position i would be very pissed off, however by not putting his cat out he is asking for the agent to ring on his bell.

The way i work is i put the cats out Monday/Tuesday and collect on Friday/ Saturday if the cat is not on the door step then i ring the bell and ask for it back, i have to buy the cats and at £30 for 50 of the main books i can only afford to do this twice a year when the main book changes, so i need all my books returned, if no one is home i put a polite note though the letterbox saying can they leave them outside and i will collect the next day. If the person doesn't want the book, then tell me or put a polite note in the book, and you wont see one again from me, however there is no system in place with kleeneze to stop other agents putting them though your door. The other option is to put a note on your door. It would save me wasting my time and yours.

As to what people earn, i take on average £150 - £200 a week in orders which gives me an earnings of £30 - £40 a week. This takes me on average 2-3 hours a week to get this. I do know people that are earning £5000+ a month and good luck to them, but they put out either a lot of cats or have a lot of people in there group below them that put out a lot of cats. I average 100 cats a week, i could do more, but find it hard to find the time.

So the next time you get a cat though your door, think of the agent that has had to buy it first off and then had to walk in the rain, snow and sun to deliver it. Just to make a few quid. Pop it back on your doorstep where it can be collected and used again.

 

[DotNetWebs]

Sorry sob stories don't wash around here. Next time you approach a door why don't you think that the person might not actually want your unsolicited junk through their door. Maybe they have asked countless times for them to stop.

The chances are if you do it around here your catalogue will end up straight in the bin anyway because people are fed up of telling you they don't want them.

Regards

Dotty

 

[cjd]

So the next time you get a cat though your door, think of the agent that has had to buy it first off and then had to walk in the rain, snow and sun to deliver it. Just to make a few quid. Pop it back on your doorstep where it can be collected and used again.

If you stick something I didn't ask for through my door it goes into the recycling bin. (I did try to stop the bloody things but it doesn't work).

PLEASE, find your own, real, business and I'll support you - this is exploitation.

 

[the white rose]

Pop it back on your doorstep where it can be collected and used again.

I'm afraid I have to empathise with the other complainers, here simdriver. Why should I have to "pop" anything anywhere just to benefit you or the (imo) scumbag company you work for? This is my home and anything unsolicited that comes through my door goes in the compost bucket.

I am actually so hacked off with cold callers and time wasters attempting to disturb me when I'm in the office, that as soon as I can afford it I'm going to install a video door bell so I can see who's at the door before I answer it. My time is precious and it's for me to decide what to do with it.

I would never buy from a company like Betaware or Kleeneze on principal due to the way they operate, but notwithstanding that, Lakeland Plastics are the best kitchen company out there by a mile; their products are incredible, their pricing fair, and their customer service is the best of any company I've ever dealt with and something for us all to aspire to.

 

[DotNetWebs]

...PLEASE, find your own, real, business and I'll support you - this is exploitation...

That's the crux of it.

The reason that Kleeneze do not operate a register in the same way that the MPS do - Is that they make money from agents having to pay for lost catalogues!
Regards

Dotty

 

[doggiestylestore]

I've done Kleeneze in the past and its really annoying as the distributors have to pay for the catalogues themselves, but i must admit i put them in the bin myself when i get them now!

 

[The Instructor]

I used to leave the KE catalogue on the front door step for the agent to collect.......but they never did so I just put them in the recycle bin now....

 

[DotNetWebs]

...but they never did...

Exactly and they wonder why people get fed up with them.

Regards

Dotty