The mini-budget

Well, essentially, the idea is that if you reduce the top rate of income tax, the rich will not avoid as much tax by moving their wealth elsewhere or using aggressive avoidance schemes. So the government will supposedly increase their tax revenue. One of their justifications for this is that the 45% tax rate didn't increase revenues - I don't have the figures to verify or refute this.


Now, the government reckon it's fair because the rich pay the most tax. Okay, that's true in absolute terms, but if that's the case, cutting the basic rate of tax by the same amount won't cost the Treasury as much.

Supposedly, allowing the rich to keep more of their money will encourage them to invest in the UK, and grow the economy as a whole to everyone's benefit. Of course, if you're working two minimum wage jobs to make ends meet, how are you going to benefit? Minimum wage jobs will remain minimum wage. Employers won't pay above the minimum if they can get away with it.

And reducing stamp duty, coupled with rising interest rates, will drive house prices - and therefore rents - up. With rising borrowing, interest rates will remain higher for some time. So how are those at the lower end going to benefit?

The vice-chairman of the CBI, Lord Bilimoria, has gone on the BBC saying that it's fine for the government to borrow more, and wants the government to spend even more. I'm lost for words.

Dear god, I think I'm turning into @The Byre.
 
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UK GOV trying to stimulate economic activity whilst BOE try to reduce economic activity with rates. Is there no joint planning between them?

No one knows what the hell is going on, it is absolute bonkers. The rest of world also thinks UK PLC has gone mad, Sterling in the gutter! oh and that's going give inflation an extra boost too.
 
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One of their justifications for this is that the 45% tax rate didn't increase revenues - I don't have the figures to verify or refute this.
One of the problems is that if you do a before and after comparison, the results are biased by tax planning. e.g., now people paying 45% tax will try to defer that income. That means a before and after comparison is biased to showing lower tax bring higher revenue.

I am in favour of the reductions in basic rate and reversing the rise in NI though.

On some things, like energy, the government are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Do not subsidise energy? People moan about high prices, Subsidise it? People moan about deficit spending.
 
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The vice-chairman of the CBI, Lord Bilimoria, has gone on the BBC saying that it's fine for the government to borrow more, and wants the government to spend even more. I'm lost for words.

Dear god, I think I'm turning into @The Byre.
Perhaps Comrade Bilimoria likes inflation!

As for turning into @The Byre - I hope you know how to drive a tractor and can use a chainsaw - we'll put your arse to work!
Can anyone explain the logic that ordinary people get a 1p cut off income tax rates, but really big earners get 5p off?
What you are alluding to is the trickle-down fallacy. The poor spend every penny they can lay their hands upon. They have to because they are poor! A homeless person living in a hostel with a food budget of £10 a week, when given an extra £10, will spend every penny of that extra on nicer and better food.

That means that every extra penny he gets goes IMMEDIATELY into the real economy. In economic terms, the velocity of his extra £10 is 52 - it goes into the real economy 52 times a year.

Give a rich man £10 and he will never notice it. It, along with the rest of his £10m will go into a Swiss or Luxembourg bank account. The velocity of his extra £10 is 0 - it leaves the real economy, never to return. If we are lucky, he may use some of that money to buy a nice German car or a French motor yacht. Of one thing we can be sure - he (or his housekeeper) will not use that £10 to buy Scottish potatoes at Lidl!
The government can, if it chooses, legislate how much interest is paid on the national debt, from 0% upwards.
No, it cannot!

OK - big subject - The ND is created by issuing government bonds. The banking world needs those bonds as collateral for borrowing and lending. When there is a shortage of high-quality collateral, the BoE (and not the government) can set the rates/terms of the bond.

However, right now there is a shortage only of dollar-denominated bonds ever since the Fed has stopped borrowing as much as it did last year as it is tightening - that is why the dollar is going up in value compared to other currencies.

Those bonds are used by the banks and other financial institutions as securities for other transactions - I borrow $10bn from you and give you a gov. bond (aka 'government paper') for $10bn. You get a credit note from me (a company bond) and use that paper as security for another deal - and so on and on.

For every money movement, there has to be a counter-movement. Without all those papers, we could not have a banking system. Because that daisy-chain of lending and borrowing requires high-quality assets to get the ball rolling, there is a shortage of quality paper (US treasuries, aka US gov. bonds) and dollar-denominated blue-chip bonds.

That shortage means that governments and blue-chip companies can borrow at ridiculously low rates or even at negative rates (interest minus inflation). That is what I meant when I wrote that we can inflate away our debts! The debt remains, but its true value diminishes over time.

BUT - The UK government has a problem, a big one! The pound is not the world's reserve currency. That honour has been going to the almighty dollar since the post-war Bretton Woods agreement.

There is some limited demand for £-denominated assets, but it is nowhere nearly as great as for dollar assets. Also, the UK economy is not seen as a safe bet anymore, thanks to Brexit and many other factors, economic mismanagement being one of those reasons for a lack of confidence.

For those reasons, the BoE and the Gov. cannot set its own interest rates and (after a certain level of borrowing) has to issue bonds on the open market and rates are set by the open market - and they are high and getting higher (linked to RPI).

In simple terms - even if you are a government, the more you borrow, the more interest you have to pay!
Only because the definition of GDP is made by the Government. Government spending on state benefits is productive as it gives money to people who would otherwise not have it and they use that money to spend in the economy. Government spending on tanks is productive as it adds to the profits of the tank manufacturers etc etc.
Yes and no.

When one drills down into the facts, the component parts of most government spending on weaponry or infrastructure is non-UK based. Indeed, any time you buy any capital goods, they are either totally or partially foreign.

The new motorway system around Glasgow was built by Siemens and Hoch-Tief. Those two German companies also built the new hydroelectric pump-storage system at Loch Ness. That £350,000 AMS-Neve desk at Abby Road Studios was built in Blackpool, but every component is Chinese or Taiwanese and the pick-n-place machines that assembled the boards are German or Japanese. Your tank will have a German motor and a US or German gearbox - as will the luxury car for the company CEO that built that tank.

By becoming a service-based economy, the UK turned its back on manufacturing. The world's CPUs are made on Dutch machines. We are riding in Japanese railway carriages. We are driving cars from everywhere except the UK and on motorways built by Germans and financed by bonds bought by a Spanish bank.

But manufacturing is a knowledge-based activity. It takes generations to develop that knowledge. You must have industrial buyers who went to business school and graduated in business economics. You must have master toolmakers to develop and fit out the stamping presses and all the other machines on the shop floor. You must have CNC programmers to programme the robots. You need industrial designers and production designers to develop the products and design the production flow. You need production managers with degrees in engineering and with a follow-up MBA to oversee the factory. You need a CEO with an engineering or business doctorate to run the company.

All those things are missing in the UK. All you get half the time is a gaggle of goofballs who sort of learned on the job and did an HNC at night school at the local tech and a CEO with a degree in history!

STORY -

I was working with a US company and one of my contacts was a nice chap called Greg. He was the overseeing production manager for their overseas operations. My job was to produce all documentation in English and German as their EU operations were at the time in Germany.

Greg used to come to Germany and see what we were up to and we got to chat about this and that over coffees in the canteen. His story was illuminating - school, followed by working on the shop floor at their Mid-West HQ. He did night school at the local community college in Indiana and got an engineering degree. The company then paid him to get a master's at the state college. On his return, he got promotion and then got unpaid leave to get an Ivy-League MBA. He became sales manager for the whole company.

About six years ago, I looked at that company as a possible investment opportunity and saw that the new CEO was Greg and with a low seven-figure salary. He has since transformed the company. It has almost no debt and the stock went from $5 to $80+ under his stewardship. He is right now working on vertical integration, buying up companies that used to be his customers and buying into partner companies that integrate his company's products into theirs. Soon he will hit retirement, but I bet he will get that eight-figure salary before he does!

The moral of that story is the power of education - a proper education! We don't need sociologists, diversity studies graduates, media studies grads, music psychologists and all the other riff-raff that comes pouring out of the various Wysuckie Colleges for the Totally Dumb (gain vital college credits for money paid!)

We need engineers! (And judging by yesterday's budget, we certainly do not need yet another Chancellor with a Ph.D. in history! The Commons benches are already filled with useless crap like that!)
 
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That shortage means that governments and blue-chip companies can borrow at ridiculously low rates or even at negative rates (interest minus inflation). That is what I meant when I wrote that we can inflate away our debts! The debt remains, but its true value diminishes over time.

A quarter of UK debt is index-linked though.
 
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We need engineers! (And judging by yesterday's budget, we certainly do not need yet another Chancellor with a Ph.D. in history! The Commons benches are already filled with useless crap like that!)

The current Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy also has a degree in history. Apparently, he would have preferred to study Classics.
 
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By becoming a service-based economy, the UK turned its back on manufacturing. The world's CPUs are made on Dutch machines. We are riding in Japanese railway carriages. We are driving cars from everywhere except the UK and on motorways built by Germans and financed by bonds bought by a Spanish bank.

I was taught in economics class that advanced economies eventually evolve to become service-based, as manufacturing moves to cheaper countries, the tertiary economies.

I look at Germany and Japan, and... they are not primarily service economies. Perhaps it's time to join the Axis.
 
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A quarter of UK debt is index-linked though.
Exactly! They now must go out onto the open market and pay real rates.
The current Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy also has a degree in history. Apparently, he would have preferred to study Classics.
I don't mind if people study history - one of my closest friends has a Ph.D. in some obscure aspect of history - a history of Oxfordshire stone masons in the 17th Century - but it is not in any way a qualification that helps one to build bridges or CPUs, or even cheese and onion flavoured crips!
 
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I was taught in economics class that advanced economies eventually evolve to become service-based, as manufacturing moves to cheaper countries, the tertiary economies.
Napoleon once stated that history is a series of lies that we all agree upon. I am beginning to think that many schools of economic thought suffer from the same malaise!

Recent Tory ministers seem to be greatly deluded by daft theories that were disproven long ago - the austerity fallacy, the fallacy of trickle-down economics and of course Pinocchio's Magic Money Tree!
I look at Germany and Japan, and... they are not primarily service economies. Perhaps it's time to join the Axis.
The industries in both countries have been moving production out of their home countries and into Eastern Europe and Spain (Germany) and China (Japan). But the high-end stuff and the design are always kept in Germany and Japan.

Everything in our kitchen is from Bosch - mostly built in Spain. I have two DSLRs on my desk from Panasonic - a prototype built in Japan and a production model built in China.
 
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The industries in both countries have been moving production out of their home countries and into Eastern Europe and Spain (Germany) and China (Japan). But the high-end stuff and the design are always kept in Germany and Japan.

Everything in our kitchen is from Bosch - mostly built in Spain. I have two DSLRs on my desk from Panasonic - a prototype built in Japan and a production model built in China.

If I could, I would move to Japan in a heartbeat.
 
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My understanding of economics is poor to say the least, but i'm learning from this thread. :)
However.....

Fresh Large Chicken at LIDL £3.55

M&S ready meal, 'Best Ever Chicken Tikka Masala', £5 a couple of weeks ago, now up to £6 and if purchased at a petrol station store, £6.50! Not for me to know how they get to that price but it seems a little fast to me?

Is everybody putting prices up because prices are going up?
 
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Is everybody putting prices up because prices are going up?
Er, yes - sort of. Farming inputs rose by 22% last year and probably will do much the same this year.

As you have raised the chicken motif, I can tell you that chicken are made 100% of heat and chicken feed. I have the inside track on chicken, as I ran a chicken farm in Israel in the early 70s. It was me and 500,000 chicken and some volunteers who came to the kibbutz for a few weeks to pick oranges, clean out chicken houses, stuff like that.

(I made it one of my duties to comfort the lonelier single female volunteers. Sometimes I was comforting so many that I was excused clothing.)

In the UK one has to heat the chicken occasionally - but the BIG cost is the feed. Every truckload costs real money nowadays. Tens of thousands! And those damn birds scoff it down in no time, but then you are trying to get them to full weight in just 12 weeks!

And then there are the wages - farming staff, slaughterhouse staff, technicians for all the machinery one needs to slaughter, pluck and gut chicken at a rate of several a second - and then the packing and cooled transport (more expensive energy and drivers). And all those staff now want pay rises to match escalating inflation!

Once inflation hits wages, it becomes 'sticky' - you can't undo it ever! You can't give old MacCrusty an extra 10% this year and take it away the next - that's why the unions are objecting to cash bonuses in lieu of a pukka wage increase. They know that core inflation (i.e. stripping out things that are temporary like energy) stays with us.

The moment a product becomes wage-intensive, it gets expensive to make. That Lidl chicken's first human contact was probably the person that put it in the cooler cabinet on the shop floor. The ready meal at M&S had to be made by someone.
 
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It's fun to see labour trying themselves in knots trying to condemn the budget at the same time as refusing to say whether they will reverse any of it.
 
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@The Byre off topic, what is your current line of business? Always find your posts informative, well written and entertaining. You seem to have the knowledge of someone who has definitely been about a bit!
 
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Perhaps Comrade Bilimoria likes inflation!

As for turning into @The Byre - I hope you know how to drive a tractor and can use a chainsaw - we'll put your arse to work!

What you are alluding to is the trickle-down fallacy. The poor spend every penny they can lay their hands upon. They have to because they are poor! A homeless person living in a hostel with a food budget of £10 a week, when given an extra £10, will spend every penny of that extra on nicer and better food.

That means that every extra penny he gets goes IMMEDIATELY into the real economy. In economic terms, the velocity of his extra £10 is 52 - it goes into the real economy 52 times a year.

Give a rich man £10 and he will never notice it. It, along with the rest of his £10m will go into a Swiss or Luxembourg bank account. The velocity of his extra £10 is 0 - it leaves the real economy, never to return. If we are lucky, he may use some of that money to buy a nice German car or a French motor yacht. Of one thing we can be sure - he (or his housekeeper) will not use that £10 to buy Scottish potatoes at Lidl!

No, it cannot!

OK - big subject - The ND is created by issuing government bonds. The banking world needs those bonds as collateral for borrowing and lending. When there is a shortage of high-quality collateral, the BoE (and not the government) can set the rates/terms of the bond.

However, right now there is a shortage only of dollar-denominated bonds ever since the Fed has stopped borrowing as much as it did last year as it is tightening - that is why the dollar is going up in value compared to other currencies.

Those bonds are used by the banks and other financial institutions as securities for other transactions - I borrow $10bn from you and give you a gov. bond (aka 'government paper') for $10bn. You get a credit note from me (a company bond) and use that paper as security for another deal - and so on and on.

For every money movement, there has to be a counter-movement. Without all those papers, we could not have a banking system. Because that daisy-chain of lending and borrowing requires high-quality assets to get the ball rolling, there is a shortage of quality paper (US treasuries, aka US gov. bonds) and dollar-denominated blue-chip bonds.

That shortage means that governments and blue-chip companies can borrow at ridiculously low rates or even at negative rates (interest minus inflation). That is what I meant when I wrote that we can inflate away our debts! The debt remains, but its true value diminishes over time.

BUT - The UK government has a problem, a big one! The pound is not the world's reserve currency. That honour has been going to the almighty dollar since the post-war Bretton Woods agreement.

There is some limited demand for £-denominated assets, but it is nowhere nearly as great as for dollar assets. Also, the UK economy is not seen as a safe bet anymore, thanks to Brexit and many other factors, economic mismanagement being one of those reasons for a lack of confidence.

For those reasons, the BoE and the Gov. cannot set its own interest rates and (after a certain level of borrowing) has to issue bonds on the open market and rates are set by the open market - and they are high and getting higher (linked to RPI).

In simple terms - even if you are a government, the more you borrow, the more interest you have to pay!

Yes and no.

When one drills down into the facts, the component parts of most government spending on weaponry or infrastructure is non-UK based. Indeed, any time you buy any capital goods, they are either totally or partially foreign.

The new motorway system around Glasgow was built by Siemens and Hoch-Tief. Those two German companies also built the new hydroelectric pump-storage system at Loch Ness. That £350,000 AMS-Neve desk at Abby Road Studios was built in Blackpool, but every component is Chinese or Taiwanese and the pick-n-place machines that assembled the boards are German or Japanese. Your tank will have a German motor and a US or German gearbox - as will the luxury car for the company CEO that built that tank.

By becoming a service-based economy, the UK turned its back on manufacturing. The world's CPUs are made on Dutch machines. We are riding in Japanese railway carriages. We are driving cars from everywhere except the UK and on motorways built by Germans and financed by bonds bought by a Spanish bank.

But manufacturing is a knowledge-based activity. It takes generations to develop that knowledge. You must have industrial buyers who went to business school and graduated in business economics. You must have master toolmakers to develop and fit out the stamping presses and all the other machines on the shop floor. You must have CNC programmers to programme the robots. You need industrial designers and production designers to develop the products and design the production flow. You need production managers with degrees in engineering and with a follow-up MBA to oversee the factory. You need a CEO with an engineering or business doctorate to run the company.

All those things are missing in the UK. All you get half the time is a gaggle of goofballs who sort of learned on the job and did an HNC at night school at the local tech and a CEO with a degree in history!

STORY -

I was working with a US company and one of my contacts was a nice chap called Greg. He was the overseeing production manager for their overseas operations. My job was to produce all documentation in English and German as their EU operations were at the time in Germany.

Greg used to come to Germany and see what we were up to and we got to chat about this and that over coffees in the canteen. His story was illuminating - school, followed by working on the shop floor at their Mid-West HQ. He did night school at the local community college in Indiana and got an engineering degree. The company then paid him to get a master's at the state college. On his return, he got promotion and then got unpaid leave to get an Ivy-League MBA. He became sales manager for the whole company.

About six years ago, I looked at that company as a possible investment opportunity and saw that the new CEO was Greg and with a low seven-figure salary. He has since transformed the company. It has almost no debt and the stock went from $5 to $80+ under his stewardship. He is right now working on vertical integration, buying up companies that used to be his customers and buying into partner companies that integrate his company's products into theirs. Soon he will hit retirement, but I bet he will get that eight-figure salary before he does!

The moral of that story is the power of education - a proper education! We don't need sociologists, diversity studies graduates, media studies grads, music psychologists and all the other riff-raff that comes pouring out of the various Wysuckie Colleges for the Totally Dumb (gain vital college credits for money paid!)

We need engineers! (And judging by yesterday's budget, we certainly do not need yet another Chancellor with a Ph.D. in history! The Commons benches are already filled with useless crap like that!)
Great insight as usual and did you know you can get a degree in theme park management
 
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The moral of that story is the power of education - a proper education! We don't need sociologists, diversity studies graduates, media studies grads, music psychologists and all the other riff-raff that comes pouring out of the various Wysuckie Colleges for the Totally Dumb (gain vital college credits for money paid!)

And lest we forget, it's taxpayer money that is funding the student loans that pay for those media studies, music psychologists and diversity studies degrees - the vast majority of which will never be paid back. The IFE reckons only 17% of people will fully pay off their loans.

Money down the drain that simply adds to the already spiralling national debt.

Easy answer - do not fund Mickey Mouse degrees. If you want to study Film Degrees, Surf Science or Golf Management, you pay for it.
 
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And lest we forget, it's taxpayer money that is funding the student loans that pay for those media studies, music psychologists and diversity studies degrees - the vast majority of which will never be paid back. The IFE reckons only 17% of people will fully pay off their loans.

Money down the drain that simply adds to the already spiralling national debt.

Easy answer - do not fund Mickey Mouse degrees. If you want to study Film Degrees, Surf Science or Golf Management, you pay for it.
Agree the whole UNI thing has just become a huge money making machine and another area swallowing up tax papers money, I wonder if there's anything the government is not propping up these days might be a short list.
 
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@The Byre off topic, what is your current line of business? Always find your posts informative, well written and entertaining. You seem to have the knowledge of someone who has definitely been about a bit!
Thank you for the compliment!

"You are old Father William" the young man said
"And your hair is completely gone.
Yet I am still poor and you are quite rich.
Oh, where did it all go so wrong?"

"In my youth," Father William replied to his son,
"I was crazy and just had a ball.
The teachers all told me to study my books
And walk and not run in the hall."

"So I took the King's shilling and was very willing
To travel all over the world.
I jumped out of planes again and again
And made love to each woman and girl."

"But what's the hitch? I want to get rich!"
The young man insisted on knowing.
"Was there a plan to become a rich man?
You are old but your money keeps growing!"

"Have ten crazy ideas and never fear
When they fail and deeply offend!
The madder the plan," said the Old Man,
"The better it gets in the end!"

"And talking of shillings, would you be willing
To lend me a tenner or two?
My money's all gone on women and song
And still have some ladies to woo!"

"I gave you a fiver last year, that's enough,"
Said his father; "don't give yourself airs!
Do you think I got rich by handing out stuff?
Be off, or I'll kick you down stairs!"

(And my apologies to Lewis Carroll!)
 
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Measures announced include:

Corporation tax rise from 19% to 25% scrapped.
NI rise reversed.
Stamp duty slashed.
Cap on bankers' bonuses slashed.
Tax-free shopping for overseas visitors.
Unions required to put pay offers to members during strikes.
Basic rate of income tax cut by 1% from next year.
Energy support to cost £60 billion for the next six months.

What does this mean for you and your business? And what will it mean for the country?
Tories doing what they're best at -making rich people richer. but it does seem more blatant, along with other legislation to keep the masses in their place!
 
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I genuinely wonder how many company directors that are being squeezed hard in the UK are just thinking quit the UK altogether and do something different elsewhere ?

I am at the point where my business is borderline viable financially and I cant push up the prices as the smaller ones who are here today gone tomorrow charge less anyway. I often think it would be easier to just close up and go elsewhere or just go onto the employed roundabout- at least you get paid for holiday and can take time off for ill health.

I wonder how many other small companies are in a position where they can't put up their prices so are in effect taking a loss when you factor in the cost of living ?

Crunching the figures I'm better off working minimal and taking working tax credits for god sake , what a joke !
 
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. I often think it would be easier to just close up and go elsewhere or just go onto the employed roundabout- at least you get paid for holiday and can take time off for ill health.

And your council tax paid for !

On a serious note seeing a few people saying "tories this tories that"

Do you really think any labour government in the last 12 years would have done anything differently ?

All of the ****ers red or blue operate off archaic free market capitalist economics that means the plebs think they live in a democracy and get to vote the rules in but behind closed doors its really big money that dictates everything

So for all of you in bewilderment as to why high earners get a 5% tax break

Parliament is run by the city !!! would you fancy telling your future boss your taxing him more or making his life harder ?

Welcome to modern politics ....

It's all corrupt to the core and needs burning down ( literally )

I'm sorry Britain needs to see mass rioting to cause a revolution and the way things are going i don't think we are that far off it
 
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I'm sorry Britain needs to see mass rioting to cause a revolution and the way things are going i don't think we are that far off it
Far too polite for that sort of thing, the British public! Queuing up for a nice cup of tea, that’s more our bag.

And when they do occasionally riot, are the targets those in power?

Nope! JD Sports for some new trainers or Carphone Warehouse for the latest selfie-machine ?
 
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It's all corrupt to the core and needs burning down ( literally )

I'm sorry Britain needs to see mass rioting to cause a revolution and the way things are going i don't think we are that far off it
You will probably get your wish.

Listening to various interviews on the Today programme and elsewhere this morning tells me that this government and His Majesty's Loyal Opposition (I wrote 'Her' the first time around - still can't get used to the idea that Liz has handed in her dinner pail and turned her face to the wall!) - where was I? - Oh yes - tells me that none of these people understand how money markets work.

The real danger is two-fold. Firstly there is the reset of the world's currencies and that means away from the Almighty Dollar and towards a commodity-based currency set primarily by China, aided and abetted by OPEC. Secondly, when that happens, UK-PLC will tank and the pound will buy you F-all. And when that happens, the shops will be either empty or food will become unaffordable.

And as I have written here before - when people are hungry, they start looting shops and setting fire to policemen. Bad news for shopkeepers and policemen.

And it has started already - for the first time ever, we have had pilfering from our property. What did someone steal? Tools? No - Firewood! Yes, firewood! That reminds me of my childhood in desperate post-war Germany when I watched little old women stealing coal from the slow-moving passing coal trains and kids having to collect firewood in the forests before going to school, so that the classroom was heated.

Every generation has to experience a catastrophe - this is your catastrophe coming down the line! My parents had WW2, Their parents had WW1 (and in my case the Russian Revolution and a few other things besides). Before that came so many violent changes that were both obvious and eminently avoidable.

I am constantly reminded of the words of Bismark, who shortly before he died in 1898, said "One day a great conflagration will engulf all of Europe, but it will begin with some stupid nonsense in the Balkans."

Bismark more or less single-handedly, created Germany in 1871 and by 1880, he had made it into the world's first-ever welfare state with universal healthcare, sickness benefits, unemployment pay, universal education - ideas that were revolutionary in their time.

The great span of history will engulf us all yet again. My grandmother, when she was a child, saw Rasputin riding through the streets of St. Petersberg in a coach-and-six, accompanied by policemen running alongside. She fled Russia as a young woman when the Bolsheviks killed her husband. My whole family was involved in the two world wars.

I have seen what humanity can do to others when I was in the military - scenes so dreadful that the ground came up and hit me in the face. We have had 70 years of peace and prosperity, but sloth, greed and stupidity are now propelling us into a new Dark Age. Perhaps another Bismark will arise, but nothing I have seen of the crawling worms that infest the world's political landscape suggests that he or she will arrive anytime soon.

This world is sick. Men can identify as women, women over 50 can get fertility treatment paid for by the state, every religion has been infested by the Holy Order of Paedophiles, slavery is everywhere and genocide and war is raging on almost every continent. Humanity has become another word for parasitic.
 
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Makes me laugh. Labour say they would establish a sovereign wealth fund.

With what money, exactly? The time to do that would have been in the late 70s and 80s, not now when the country is having to borrow billions.
 
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Makes me laugh. Labour say they would establish a sovereign wealth fund.

With what money, exactly? The time to do that would have been in the late 70s and 80s, not now when the country is having to borrow billions.
well i guess the idea is to use a windfall tax on energy producers now - wind, solar, nuclear energy is costing no more to produce but is being sold at a market price dictated by gas shortages thus creating an abnormal profit especially when it was largely set up using govt grants and guarantees.

Rather than out that £ into the general pot put it into a separate pot purely to be used for investing in other green/renewable industries to give them the seed capital to get off the ground and then produce a return back to the state via that sovereign wealth fund. Not only that but being a sovereign fund you can set the rules to get the investment. Obviously not enough different form the general market that people would go there instead (likely they would anyway if they could) but for things like fair employment policies or ruling over all IP remaining British owned for x years etc.

It is not a bad idea, we have some great innovators in this country they just tend to end up owned by non uk companies
 
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BoE has just announced a massive program of bond-buying to support the pound.

I may be wrong here, and if I am, @The Byre can correct me, but isn't this just more QE? And that, as he is fond of telling us, will just fuel inflation, which the Bank's remit is to control.
 
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BoE has just announced a massive program of bond-buying to support the pound.

I may be wrong here, and if I am, @The Byre can correct me, but isn't this just more QE? And that, as he is fond of telling us, will just fuel inflation, which the Bank's remit is to control.
It didn't fuel inflation in 2008, although I admit things were a little different then. But what is the laternative - 10% of households (conservative estimate) defaulting on their mortgages, house price crash, bank crash.
 
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It didn't fuel inflation in 2008, although I admit things were a little different then. But what is the laternative - 10% of households (conservative estimate) defaulting on their mortgages, house price crash, bank crash.
Interest rates will hit (in my view) a 5% min if he uturns now and 6.5-7% if he doesnt (but doesnt do anything else batshit crazy) - that is pretty hardwired into the markets now. That means those needing to come off fixed rates in the next 6 mths are going to see rates that feel like those of 14% in the early 90's.

That will lead to a cooling in the property market of 10-15%

That has completely undone any stimulus effect of the cut in stamp duty plus some whilst also reducing income to the exchequer - big home goal

But of course my economics degree taught conventional economic theory which this bunch of mad muppets think is too conservative in it's view and wrong - so I may be also
 
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I am not great when it comes to politics and economics at this level I must admit. I have voted Tory in recent years although I have referred to myself as a "reluctant tory". I agree with some of the principles and actions, I also think Labour come up with some valid points but I have also encountered far too many with an extreme left wing opinion who don't see why anyone should be rewarded for working hard or taking a risk.

But anyway....talk about shooting yourselves in the foot?!? They've delivered the headlines on a plate to the left media and Labour. "Tories cut income tax for the rich". What more do they need. Regardless of whether the Tories have the most sound logic in the world behind the decision (and I really dont think they do), nobody is going to care about that. They are going to take the headline that even in the most difficult times that anyone can remember, Tories have given more tax breaks to the rich. What an absolute own goal. It's an unbelievable naivety towards the general thoughts of the nation in my honest opinion.

Another thought I had - and forgive me if this sounds overly basic. Businesses have been preparing themselves for the 25% corporation tax. Scrapping that now is probably a welcome boost but businesses weren't expecting it. If they really want to get money quickly back into the economy and being spent.... could it not have been an idea to remove that from businesses on the proviso that the money instead - or perhaps even part of it - goes in the form of a bonus to all employees (pro-rata, or earning up to a certain amount, or something). So the business still pays the extra 6% that they were expecting to, but it goes directly into employees pockets, skips the government, and ergo straight back into the economy as it gets spent. Could that not have been a really quick creative win which would have ultimately meant the same for the government (only receiving 19% instead of 25%). Or have I over-simplified things far, far too much? :)
 
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I was panicking as I thought my current 5 year fixed deal ended next year...but its not until November 2024. Hopefully things will have settled back down by then but cant imagine any low fixed rates such as we have now.
 
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