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Are you a Christian?
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You really need to invest in some decent history books Massey. There have been very few religious wars per se.
There have been many conflicts over lineages, fealty and allegiances, as well as territory and resources.
Many of these involved countries that had a state religion but would have happened regardless.
Your absolutely right to presume that nobody knows the truth but surely this must include you.
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MASSEY
Haha love that pic.
You can't get into a chat about evolution without a religious person exposing their retarded side.
I watched a video of a religious guy teaching a class about the "truth".
He held a picture of a big dinosaur like a t rex and then a picture of a chicken. He then went on to say "and this is what atheists think turned into a chicken". The kids then went on to laugh.
If he had held a picture of a pterodactyl skeleton and a bird skeleton their answer would not have been laughing, they would have been unsure.
You have to laugh, it's the only thing that stops you wanting to pick up a machine gun and go out to teach these religious people who really is in the "truth".
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MASSEY
No you see, god does not like people killing each other, that is a modern day reading into the one of many variations of the bible we have before us today. Any omnipotent all knowing clever creator of the world would make that clear as day to everyone of all intelligence levels.
If the creator felt that not making it clear was not a big deal then why would you want to worship such an evill piece of shiit?
My choice is to listen to the guys on this earth that devote their entire lives to seeking evidence, evidence that ruins these old stories and makes them laughable. This evidence is more truthful than old books that were written by people who were more close minded than the most close minded person on the earth in 2011.
I don't know the truth about why we are here, but i have a better idea than the likes of religious people who stick their fingers in their ears and go "la la la la" when a scientist discovers more about our universe showing us all how very un-special we should really be considered.
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mike.davis
You are kidding me, right? You do realise it's estimated as high as 97% of scientists are atheist or agnostic?
Where the hell are you coming up with this ******** from?
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MASSEY
Oh they all claim the great scientific minds were religious. It's part of the propaganda machine they all use.
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It's actually the case that a large percentage of the "great minds" of the past few hundred years were in fact Masons.
I wonder how many people on here really understand the Masons enough to comment from fact *winks*
I wonder how many people on here really understand the Masons enough to comment from fact *winks*
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That may very well be the statistics as of today, however over the years many Archaeologists and Scientists who have made valuable contributions which help to confirm the theory of evolution have been Christians; why wouldn't they have been, it was par for the course at that time.
Indeed if my memory serves me well Darwin himself was originally going to be a clergyman and only became an Agnostic towards the end of his life.
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mike.davis
PlEASE STOP SPROUTING BUL****T.
Even in 1914 over 75% of scientists were Atheist and agnostic
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Tell me why you feel the need to to put people down and try to make them feel stupid about disagreeing with you.
This is one of the reasons why this forum has lost the plot and its credibility, because the owners put up with people like you over the ones who have real business experience.
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I was once approached by them but told them I wasn't interested.
The very first serious girlfriend I ever had had lost her Dad and the Freemasons were picking up all the bills for her and her Mum so they can't be all bad.
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The thing is, the Masons don't actually care that you're a Christian or a Muslim or a Buddhist. All are equal.
Why is that?
Why is that?
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I do, we cannot be the only race, people, whoever, whatever inhabiting this planet, solar system - or shopping in Tescos.
'The truth is out there'!
Now I spooked myself
Pops ~xx~
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The thing is, I wish we did discover aliens because the scrabbling around and rewording of religions would be a:
"sight to behold"
"sight to behold"
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The thing is, we might be the 'aliens' (well we would be) to other living life forms.
Our mode of transport might be posted on their version of youtube
We just have NO idea.
Much more interesting than religion, and just as much factual information is known about either.
Pops ~xx~
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I think that there has to be other planets with life forms. I don't believe that we have been visited, we are a tiny planet in a tiny solar system in the vastness of space; to me the odds are stacked against it. Perhaps it will happen as we become a "noisier" planet but to me that is thousands of years away if ever.
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Nah; I remember years ago my eldest daughter talked me into going UFO spotting at Warminster when she was into such things. What a waste of time.
I couldn't believe how many other people were there; it was absolutely freezing and I didn't see a thing.
The nearest thing I have seen to a UFO is a Chinese lantern that landed in the field opposite on Thursday night, let off by one of the loony city campers on the site up the road.
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Consistency
For unbelievers who do not believe that God exists, there is a similarity to this. Sometimes the unbeliever wants to see a sign now, at his convenience. It is really no different to a non believer in aliens waiting to see one now in Warminster.
I once had no faith at all and did not believe. I wanted to see the signs when I wanted to see it. I did not want to wait and though I wanted to see, I was impatient. Because I can remember well that time, I understand the unbeliever and have not and will not forget that time.
As an unbeliever in Aliens wants to see a sign now, so do the unbelievers in our Lord want to see a sign now.
Just because they do not see it there in front of their eyes, does not mean by any account that these do not exist.
As for aliens, Yes, I see no reason why there should not be aliens.
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MASSEY
Consistency you are a drunkard you are, you have to be. You are one of those that sins like a ******* and pretends he is a good little boy.
I saw aliens the other day. These were orange lights, not lanterns either because these objects were not being controlled by the wind.
And, and, i know a few other people in Birmingham saw them too.
One person told me how he saw 5 planes chasing after one of these orange lights.
The fact is, there is more chance of creatures who have evolved and developed in another galaxy finding us than there is a creator revealing itself.
Look at how well we have come on as a being in the last few years. We have been sending satellites into space on missions all around the solar system, one even went to the edges of the galaxy. Just think what could be happening on planets that are 8 billion years old or 12 billion.... This stuff is more interesting to me than religion i have to say.
I saw aliens the other day. These were orange lights, not lanterns either because these objects were not being controlled by the wind.
And, and, i know a few other people in Birmingham saw them too.
One person told me how he saw 5 planes chasing after one of these orange lights.
The fact is, there is more chance of creatures who have evolved and developed in another galaxy finding us than there is a creator revealing itself.
Look at how well we have come on as a being in the last few years. We have been sending satellites into space on missions all around the solar system, one even went to the edges of the galaxy. Just think what could be happening on planets that are 8 billion years old or 12 billion.... This stuff is more interesting to me than religion i have to say.
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Power_devolution
Of course you are brainwashed. Most athiests have no idea what science even is. If you did you would not talk as you do. Athiesm is a religion. You cannot prove there is no God. It is not scientifically possible. THe Big Bang is not provable either. IT is an interpretation of evidence basedon the assumption there is no God. Evolution has no facts to back it up at al. But of course you have never actually looked at opposing views because that would be testing your theories and you would never do that as it would be to doubt your faith.
Evolution is treated as fact because you deny God and have no other recourse but to believe in evolution regardless how impossible. Have you every looked into Information Theory and its application to DNA
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Power_devolution
You are so funny. Athiests have killed more people than anyone and all in the name of science. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler.
Plus, you know absolutely nothing of the Bible. You say you believe in science yet you talk of things you have no knowledge of. You ASSUME. That is not facts. Read something about the Bible before you comment on its veracity.
I will agree on one thing, since you claim to know the truth (without any evidence) you are full of rubbish (it comes out in the way you talk) and you really do deserve to be egnored.
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Power_devolution
Yes, you are funny. You who preach the gospel of science do not believe you have to prove anything. It is enough to believe on faith. I so love this forum. (But seriously Massey, you really need to spend less time spouting insults and read some serious books, history would be a good start but if you are going to discuss the Bible you should find out what Christians believe and what historians, archeologists and those who study languages and ancient texts say about the reliability of the Bible. (That is people who actually do science not promoting their 'theories')
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OK, you deny the existence of evolution, for which there is overwhelming evidence? That's fine, all but the most hopelessly indoctrinated people would disagree with you, but perhaps you could offer some facts or real evidence regarding the existence of your chosen god?
Regarding opposing views I, along with all the atheists in here, have looked at opposing views. I was brought up with them and when I was old enough to consider how ridiculous religious belief is I chose to come out as an atheist.
How convenient is that then?
I wouldn't worry too much about aliens. If they do make an appearance at some point in the future you guys will just rewrite or re-interpret your holy books - AGAIN.
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MASSEY
If most atheists don't know what science is then how is it a religion like you go on to say it is? You, like others on this site are doing a great job to discredit religion, far better than any atheist could do.
It is not up to atheists to prove their theory true, it is up to you to prove yours, afterall your lot are the ones that "KNOW THE TRUTH".
It's treated as fact in order to progress, to have something to try and build on. Science is as much detective work as it is evidence, if you have no foundation for detection how will you ever find the truth always having to start from nothing?
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OK, you deny the existence of evolution, for which there is overwhelming evidence? That's fine, all but the most hopelessly indoctrinated people would disagree with you, but perhaps you could offer some facts or real evidence regarding the existence of your chosen god?
Regarding opposing views I, along with all the atheists in here, have looked at opposing views. I was brought up with them and when I was old enough to consider how ridiculous religious belief is I chose to come out as an atheist.
How convenient is that then?
I wouldn't worry too much about aliens. If they do make an appearance at some point in the future you guys will just rewrite or re-interpret your holy books - AGAIN.
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You say there is over whelming evidence. I say there is not. Science discovers things, peopl interpret them. If they do not believe in God they make an interpretation consistent with disbelief or the egnore the discovery expecting it to either go away or be disproved later on. Science finds some bones. Evolutionists declare them proto human. Others say they belong to pigs. Lots of people look at the Bible and say it is stories and myth and others say the storis are hstorically verifiable and many that are though in error are later proved to be correct. But there are some things that cannot be argued with.
No beneficial mutation has ever been seen. Not with drosphilia melangaster nor with Escheria coli (hope spelling is correct) both have been studied for what amounts to millions of generations. Scientists have given up trying to produce beneficial mutations. The people with money will no longer fund such a pointless exercise.
Nothing beneficial ever happens by random in the natural world. This is a basic law of physics. Life is such an anomaly its existence is a miracle. DNA is a language that conveys instructions for building the most complex forms imaginable. Inputting random changes into a set of instructions can never produce benefits. It creates 'noise'. But you are right on one point. If you absolutely refuse to believe in God then what are you left with, contradiction and nonesense but if this is all you have hang onto it.
And by the way, I was brought up by Christians whose lives caused by to become an athiest for 50 years in which time I studied just about every possible faith and grudingly because nothing else made sense I became a Christian. Yes, we are not very inspiring and we do make a huge number of mistakes but we know we are failures and this is why we pin our hope on Christ and not on ourselves. You see there is a uniqueness about Christianity that separates it from all other faiths including scientism and aethiesm. We know we are insufficient. We are humbled by our inadequacy. Every other faith preaches the sufficiency of mankind. You think you can somehow find salvation by your own power. It is a vain and hopeless quest but some will never forsake it regardless of how often they are proved inadequate for the task.
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If you know I am wrong then you 'KNOW THE TRUTH'. I honestly did consider starting from the BIg Bang but then realized that was beginning without any law, matter, time or anything so I had to begin with God. You assume you can progress by denying God but how far has aethiest science progressed? We have technical knowledge. We have an economics that does not work, a biology that fails to produce health, a psychology that works no better than witch doctors in curing mental problems and on and on and on. It is possible to deduce a workable community from information found in the Bible. But who wants to develop it? Even Christians are too wrapped up in this world.
To destroy humanity: destroy community.
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To quote a line I saw yesterday:
"Science flies us to the moon
Religion flies us into buildings"
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MASSEY
Your problem is you have a bias caused by your mission to create some special mini economy. Your outlook on life is very similar to that of a jehovah witness.
You say what created the universe? I say what created the thing you think created the universe. I am open minded, what we see before our very eyes may very well of had a helping hand from a supernatural being, i don't think for one minute anyone of the religions on this earth have any bearing to it though. To me, everything i see around me says no purpose other than to live and to die. All the stuff in between is just entertainment, this forum is entertainment.
Science and knowledge has progressed enough for you to live twice as long as your ancestors. What do you think about that? You slander the very people who have increased the length of your life.
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Beachcomber
Oh I love this - "what has science ever done for us" line.
Yeah, 'whats science done for me' he types on his computer (1) and transmitted over the internet (2) using electricity (3) and fibre optic communications (4) to be distributed via servers (5) so it can be read by others on their computers (back to 1)
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Power_devolution
We speak different languages. I am a Christian. Athiesm is a religion along with all other cults and beliefs. There are only two groups. Christians and everyone else. And this last category includes many who say they are Christians but do not belief Christ is God and fro whom you get your ideas as to what Christians are.To quote a line I saw yesterday:
"Science flies us to the moon
Religion flies us into buildings"
Christians do not disbelieve Truth. Christians were the first scientists and built all the original universities. We simply look at scientific discoveries athiests egnore and interpret other findings differently - both acceptable in science.
Science flies us to the moon
athiesm creates intellectual morons and mass murderers
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Selective blindness. You did not even read the post. I know what science has done mechanically/physically. None of this has any bearing on faith questions. I said how far has it progressed in helping us to understand the human condition?
Science qua science explores all avenues, tests all hypothesis. Athiests distort science to justify their own preconceived beliefs. In fact they are frightened of really putting their faith to a scientific test. ie they live as if God exists and yet deny He does because they know to live as an being with no morality is to truly lose their humanity. We are ethical creatures created by God and you have no choice but to live as that is true.
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