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jules verne said:
I've been watching and reading for a long time, that's all. And as such seen what has been going on.

If a ban was unjustified - say because they asked awkward questions about the forum owners, would that make them any less trustworthy or their advice of any less value?
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For someone who has been watching and reading for some time yet has only posted on a small number of occasions it seems odd that out of all the contentious issues that exist on a forum of this size that you chose to announce your feelings on the banning on one specific member so publicly.

Why?
 
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LicensedToTrade said:
For someone who has been watching and reading for some time yet has only posted on a small number of occasions it seems odd that out of all the contentious issues that exist on a forum of this size that you chose to announce your feelings on the banning on one specific member so publicly.

Why?
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The focus on the use of the f word specifically 3 times was also interesting.

To be honest, I was a bit concerned myself, but if this person is who I think they are, then Im past caring now.

Obviously life isnt that distressing when they have ample time to come on here extracting urine and stirring it up.

I'm done with the lot of them now.
 
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jules verne said:
Thanks, you have answered the question well.

Consider this, the forum post who's birthday it is each and every day. You can't join without giving your birth date - you can't argue with that.

They claim to have 105,000 plus members - easy maths 287 birthdays each and every day on average. Today none, the most is ever two or three.

105,000 plus members the most that are ever logged on is less than 0.01% and a "number" of guests.

They make money from a few suckers who pay to join, but mainly from ad's (those same ad's you click on by "accident")

Who do you trust now, those that have been banned or those that do the banning?
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I do not understand why you should join this forum, and then take issues over something that happened with a member you can hardly have had any contact with - you only joined a couple of days ago.

Also, what has; who 'pays to become a member' got to do with anyone other than that member, why do you feel the need to try and discredit the board, outside of perhaps you are a banned member yourself and feel aggrieved.

I have no beef with the owners or the mods of this board, if anyone does not like the 'rules' then do not join/post - simple.

There are a lot of things I do not like doing and strongly disagree with, but the law of the land tells me I must, so I live with it.
Abiding by the rules of any forum is such a small thing in the grand scheme of things - don't you think?;)

Pops ~xx~
 
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Parthelan said:
The focus on the use of the f word specifically 3 times was also interesting.

To be honest, I was a bit concerned myself, but if this person is who I think they are, then Im past caring now.

Obviously life isnt that distressing when they have ample time to come on here extracting urine and stirring it up.

I'm done with the lot of them now.
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Who previously used the F word three times?
 
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LicensedToTrade said:
Racism is a bannable offense too I'm sure pops. Me no lika da racism long time.
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No, its the words from Lily the Pink by the scaffold.

Well they actually sang 'thank you' accept when it was sung by folks who had one or two too many - it came out as 'fank you'!

I intended no racism - it never entered my head even:(

Why would you think that?

Pops ~xx~
 
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jules verne said:
Thanks, you have answered the question well.

Consider this, the forum post who's birthday it is each and every day. You can't join without giving your birth date - you can't argue with that.

They claim to have 105,000 plus members - easy maths 287 birthdays each and every day on average. Today none, the most is ever two or three.

105,000 plus members the most that are ever logged on is less than 0.01% and a "number" of guests.

They make money from a few suckers who pay to join, but mainly from ad's (those same ad's you click on by "accident")

Who do you trust now, those that have been banned or those that do the banning?
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Guess that was a feeble attempt at deflecting the very fact that you are a banned member .... I for one aint got the foggiest which one - don't care - but won't take anything you say seriously - how can I when you merely keep waffling about the forum and banning etc!

Oh and a small fact you didnt use in your rationalisation of the forum - yes you have to state a year of birth when you join - but you can also choose to hide it from everyone else - therefore many of us really don't advertise it - so thats that one blown out of the water ....

Next!
 
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Well maybe when you've been bitten on the bum (pardon my french), you won't be such an open book. In your opinion was the faerie an open book Gillie?
 
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The forum community has rapidly declined over the years due to people being banned and due to people being unhappy with how the forum is operated. It's just a fact.

FaerieB was one of the few vocal members left who kept discussions going, but now she's banned as well, so it's going to be yet another blow to the very fragile (and almost non-existent) community spirit.

I don't particularly care about moderator actions, and I do believe that it's fairly straightforward to avoid being banned if a person wishes to do so. However, moderation activities (whether justified or not) have played a massive part in what I would call the downfall of UKBF. The forum community is just about gone, and now the only thing left is members asking questions or giving answers. It's all rather robotic.
 
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Gillie said:
Guess that was a feeble attempt at deflecting the very fact that you are a banned member .... I for one aint got the foggiest which one - don't care - but won't take anything you say seriously - how can I when you merely keep waffling about the forum and banning etc!

Oh and a small fact you didnt use in your rationalisation of the forum - yes you have to state a year of birth when you join - but you can also choose to hide it from everyone else - therefore many of us really don't advertise it - so thats that one blown out of the water ....

Next!
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Your missing the point of the birthdate's, it has nothing to do with hiding it. Also just do the sums on the numbers (0.01% should have read 0.1%) if that doesn't raise an eyebrow than fair enough.

To every one else who has commented, I have not supported, condemned or mentioned anyone on here by name, so where you get the idea I'm supporting anyone for whatever reason is beyond me (the thread title is irrelevant, just seemed the right place to put comments that were related, sorry if I had that wrong). I just made some obvious observations, that's all or so I thought.
 
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Scott-CopyandDesign said:
The forum community has rapidly declined over the years...........
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I've been a member of several forums for years and one thing is for sure - every now and then you will get a period of several weeks where everyone says it's not as good as it used to be.

I'l sure if you looked back trhrough the archives you'd find threads saying just this that are several years old.

All we need to do now is give this universal forum law a name, like Godwins law.
 
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Scott-CopyandDesign said:
The forum community has rapidly declined over the years due to people being banned and due to people being unhappy with how the forum is operated. It's just a fact.
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I think you're confusing "a fact" and "my opinion".

I'd suggest that this forum is pretty liberal. If it were more liberal would it be better?

I doubt it.

Forums need to be moderated and I, for one, think the lines are drawn pretty well on here.

Does that mean I never have run-ins with the mods? No. Does it mean those run-ins are few and far between? Yes.

I don't expect to be able to walk into a cafe and do whatever the hell I want. I expect there to be some easy-going rules to ensure a good experience for every customer.

And that's how I see the rules on UKBF.

Steve
 
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Scott-CopyandDesign said:
The forum community has rapidly declined over the years due to people being banned and due to people being unhappy with how the forum is operated. It's just a fact.

FaerieB was one of the few vocal members left who kept discussions going, but now she's banned as well, so it's going to be yet another blow to the very fragile (and almost non-existent) community spirit.

I don't particularly care about moderator actions, and I do believe that it's fairly straightforward to avoid being banned if a person wishes to do so. However, moderation activities (whether justified or not) have played a massive part in what I would call the downfall of UKBF. The forum community is just about gone, and now the only thing left is members asking questions or giving answers. It's all rather robotic.
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For many months FB has only ever posted in Time Out, correct me if I am wrong here - but this is a business forum, and I have not noticed a dropping of questions being asked/replied to!

I imagine when people are searching for business advice they search under 'business advice' and not 'time out'!

Sure time out is good light relief, but it is NOT what the board is about, and not what the paying members (who I imagine without, there would not be a board) pay for!

People come and go, so are you in fact saying that the 'banned' members 'were' the board, and without them it is doomed:eek:

If you feel the board is robotic, then alter your postings and try to change it, for those who are not happy with the board, then move on!

Lots of people from many walks of life seem to rub along nicely here, the odd turf war breaks out, but in the main it is handled and dealt with in an adult way (no one makes you get yourself banned).

Anyway, should any banned member wish to return then they can - they are not frogged marched stood against a wall and shot:eek: just a little ban from a forum:D

Pops ~xx~
 
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Scott, get posting some threads! your last one about 6 mths ago I think. A bit like going down the pub and saying everyone is miserable and won't talk to you - get talking to them and make it happen!

Re. the banned - they were to a man individuals who knew the consequences of what they posted and yes some were entertaining but often they were like buzzards who circled and only dropped in when there was a bit of unrest to stoke, usually with new members. What is this forum about - in house entertainment for the regulars or a welcoming place for newcomers? And as for FB, I think she should be banned from all forums as they clearly dont do her any good;)
 
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Beachcomber said:
I've been a member of several forums for years and one thing is for sure - every now and then you will get a period of several weeks where everyone says it's not as good as it used to be.

I'l sure if you looked back trhrough the archives you'd find threads saying just this that are several years old.

All we need to do now is give this universal forum law a name, like Godwins law.
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I've been here for five years and there's a definite decline in the community activity and spirit. There used to be dozens of well-known members who participated in discussions. There would be a new post in the Time Out section literally every time you refreshed. It was very busy, but it's a far cry from how it is now.

SteveGibson said:
I think you're confusing "a fact" and "my opinion".

I'd suggest that this forum is pretty liberal. If it were more liberal would it be better?

I doubt it.

Forums need to be moderated and I, for one, think the lines are drawn pretty well on here.

Does that mean I never have run-ins with the mods? No. Does it mean those run-ins are few and far between? Yes.

I don't expect to be able to walk into a cafe and do whatever the hell I want. I expect there to be some easy-going rules to ensure a good experience for every customer.

And that's how I see the rules on UKBF.

Steve
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As I said in my previous post, it's true whether it's the moderators fault or not. Whether it's moderators being too harsh, or members rebelling against the rules unnecessarily, it's those actions which have caused a decline in the core community spirit which we had a few years ago.

Just look at that A1 forum and Ray. Regardless of who was at fault, there was a bit of a breakdown and numerous popular members moved over to a new forum. Since then (again, regardless of fault) key members have been banned and others have left due to the decline in activity.

I rarely ever see forums with strict rules work, though. Members get too comfortable and become too friendly, so they struggle to accept a set of rules which keeps them in line. You used the analogy of a cafe, but to me, it's more like being in a pub with friends and being given rules on what cannot be said to them. It wouldn't work, and I think it's the fundamental flaw which causes problems in all forums where there are strict rules in place.

I'm not having a specific dig at UKBF, I just think the model as a whole is flawed and doesn't work long-term.
 
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Digressing a bit, we could be really naughty and profit from a member being banned by proclaiming to speak on their behalf. That would multiply by ten the punishment.

For example, after a ludicrous or contentious statement, simply add the suffix: "... and I know that XXX fully agrees with me on this".
 
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papverpoppies said:
For many months FB has only ever posted in Time Out, correct me if I am wrong here - but this is a business forum, and I have not noticed a dropping of questions being asked/replied to!

I imagine when people are searching for business advice they search under 'business advice' and not 'time out'!

Sure time out is good light relief, but it is NOT what the board is about, and not what the paying members (who I imagine without, there would not be a board) pay for!
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It depends what you value as an important element of the forum. It can either be a business community where people can talk to like-minded fellow business owners (as it once was), or it can be a Q&A board where people ask questions, get answers and then leave. It used to be a great mixture of both, and people coming here to ask business questions benefited a tremendous amount as a result.

People come and go, so are you in fact saying that the 'banned' members 'were' the board, and without them it is doomed:eek:
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They weren't the board, but they were popular figures in the community spirit we had. If you take them away and activity drops, then more people leave as a side effect. Before you know it, activity has declined considerably.

If you feel the board is robotic, then alter your postings and try to change it, for those who are not happy with the board, then move on!
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FaerieB was one of the very few people left who did that, but now she's banned. I'm not blaming anyone here for it, but she was participating in a lot of the more friendly discussions.

I'm just wondering what the ban achieved.

What are the negative things which FaerieB is now prevented from saying? How did they damage the forum?

What are the positive contributions FaerieB made to the forum? What will the damage be to community activity now she's banned?

I'm just not sure if the pros outweigh the cons.
 
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dagr said:
Digressing a bit, we could be really naughty and profit from a member being banned by proclaiming to speak on their behalf. That would multiply by ten the punishment.

For example, after a ludicrous or contentious statement, simply add the suffix: "... and I know that XXX fully agrees with me on this".
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That's a bit of a stupid thing to say, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. If saxondale were here I know that he would fully agree with me on this. :D

*EDIT* And so would Princess Diana, Mother Teressa, The Queen Mum, Freddie Mercury, Bruce Forsyth (oh wait he isn't dead yet).
 
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to scott, seems like you want everyone to do the work for you:|

for your info. posting in Timeout was becoming tedious cos nearly every thread became invaded with babble - maybe theres a reason theres less threads there now:|
 
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Scott-CopyandDesign said:
It depends what you value as an important element of the forum. It can either be a business community where people can talk to like-minded fellow business owners (as it once was), or it can be a Q&A board where people ask questions, get answers and then leave. It used to be a great mixture of both, and people coming here to ask business questions benefited a tremendous amount as a result.



They weren't the board, but they were popular figures in the community spirit we had. If you take them away and activity drops, then more people leave as a side effect. Before you know it, activity has declined considerably.



FaerieB was one of the very few people left who did that, but now she's banned. I'm not blaming anyone here for it, but she was participating in a lot of the more friendly discussions.

I'm just wondering what the ban achieved.

What are the negative things which FaerieB is now prevented from saying? How did they damage the forum?

What are the positive contributions FaerieB made to the forum? What will the damage be to community activity now she's banned?

I'm just not sure if the pros outweigh the cons.
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So what you are saying (if I understand you correctly) is that without FB, time out and the board will come to a sad demise.

I did not read what made FB actually receive her ban (did you)?

Is what she posted (as fun as it was) of which some members considered trolling, really such an important loss, is what any of us post as an individual that vital to the boards survival - I think not, its a community.

I felt DWP was incredibly funny; and yet here we ALL still are, visiting the board and posting.

The board is not about anyone member - if it was; it would not exist.

Pops ~xx~
 
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To be fair, I tend to hang out in the Time Out section quite a lot just to mess around when I'm bored. :D
As useless and pointless as my threads/posts are, I do genuinely try to help out if I can. (which isn't too often lol)
I know I irritate the life of a few certain members, but I quite enjoy doing so ;) :)
 
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You also have to consider how much more lively the time out section has been over the last few days as well discussing banning's/rules/members etc. So if you agree or not, it's got you all talking whatever side of the fence your on.

What does that say - honestly I'm not to sure.
 
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BizGurl said:
To be fair, I tend to hang out in the Time Out section quite a lot just to mess around when I'm bored. :D
As useless and pointless as my threads/posts are, I do genuinely try to help out if I can. (which isn't too often lol)
I know I irritate the life of a few certain members, but I quite enjoy doing so ;) :)
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I like time out also, and post a few threads, but I think it is wrong for some members to comment that anyone member is keeping the board going.

It is up to all members (of which they are free to do so) to change the content of time out, and contribute more if they are fed up and bored with it.

Pops ~xx~
 
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Scott-CopyandDesign said:
Just look at that A1 forum and Ray. Regardless of who was at fault, there was a bit of a breakdown and numerous popular members moved over to a new forum.
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And that forum lasted about 5 minutes before dying a death... just like all the other breakaway forums.

Aside from the Time Out section (and the countless times it spilled over to business threads), did anyone even notice them leaving?

Forums need good volume to keep going - rather than being the same 6 people talking to each other over and over.

And the only way to keep good people posting is by having some quality control. And the only way to have quality control is by having rules and moderation.

I think the rules on here are about as light as you can get, whilst still preventing spamming and trolling.

Just my 2p,

Steve
 
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Your right Steve, all the other sections are totally unaffected, but as I said a moment ago Time Out has got a lot more lively over the past two days due to a maybe contentious issue being raised. When was the last time you posted in this section?

Which could mean that just so long as members "behave" themselves on the main forum, the time-out should/could be a "enter if your dare"/"leave your sensitivities at the door" and be virtually un-moderated and a place for fun.

After all where is the benefit of loosing a member who has provided lots of qualified information on the general thread and has helped many, just because they get into a bit of a argument with other members or mods in the out?

Then you have Q&A boards and a community - win win.

I don't understand the logic.
 
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GeorgeStrait said:
Your right Steve, all the other sections are totally unaffected, but as I said a moment ago Time Out has got a lot more lively over the past two days due to a maybe contentious issue being raised. When was the last time you posted in this section?
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The bullfighting thread. Before that, "daft jokes".

Which could mean that just so long as members "behave" themselves on the main forum, the time-out should/could be a "enter if your dare"/"leave your sensitivities at the door" and be virtually un-moderated and a place for fun.
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TBH, I've no idea why people get banned as it is usually in the evening, when I'm rarely on the forum.

After all where is the benefit of loosing a member who has provided lots of qualified information on the general thread and has helped many, just because they get into a bit of a argument with other members or mods in the out?
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Surely you mean "2 arguments where they've been warned and another argument where they know there's a good chance they'll be banned".

As far as I'm aware, the rules are much looser in the Time Out section than in other sections.

For example, I once managed to slip the "c word" past the swear filter - and I mean the "c word"... no misspellings or nuthin' - and never got any hassle about it. (That loophole has now been closed and the post was censored by a mod.)

I wouldn't have expected to get away with that on the main forums.

So, to answer your question, I don't know what it takes to earn an infraction in the Time Out section, but given I've never managed to pick one up - and I've posted some wild **** in here - it probably takes some doing.

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Your right Steve, all the other sections are totally unaffected, but as I said a moment ago Time Out has got a lot more lively over the past two days due to a maybe contentious issue being raised. When was the last time you posted in this section?

Which could mean that just so long as members "behave" themselves on the main forum, the time-out should/could be a "enter if your dare"/"leave your sensitivities at the door" and be virtually un-moderated and a place for fun.

After all where is the benefit of loosing a member who has provided lots of qualified information on the general thread and has helped many, just because they get into a bit of a argument with other members or mods in the out?

Then you have Q&A boards and a community - win win.

I don't understand the logic.
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Because it is the rules of the board.
If we ALL took it into our heads to do/write as we pleased - what then?

Members come and members go - bit like life really.:D

Pops ~xx~
 
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GeorgeStrait said:
Your right Steve, all the other sections are totally unaffected, but as I said a moment ago Time Out has got a lot more lively over the past two days due to a maybe contentious issue being raised. When was the last time you posted in this section?

Which could mean that just so long as members "behave" themselves on the main forum, the time-out should/could be a "enter if your dare"/"leave your sensitivities at the door" and be virtually un-moderated and a place for fun.

After all where is the benefit of loosing a member who has provided lots of qualified information on the general thread and has helped many, just because they get into a bit of a argument with other members or mods in the out?

Then you have Q&A boards and a community - win win.

I don't understand the logic.
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It will all soon be tomorrows chip wrappings.....so I would not worry too much;)

Pops ~xx~
 
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papverpoppies said:
Because it is the rules of the board.
If we ALL took it into our heads to do/write as we pleased - what then?

Members come and members go - bit like life really.:D

Pops ~xx~
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Doesn't mean they couldn't be changed though - does it?

Why not have an "anything goes" section, I've know a few forums that do, if people know what they are entering when they click that button then where's the harm?

I understand that it's a private forum with their own rules - no problem, doesn't mean it's perfect or un-changeable though.
 
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