Are you a Christian?

[DCE]

Sorry DCE, I'm no longer reading past your first line.

let me know when you are able to read anything we post and link to about science and I'll start answering you.

Meanwhile go bang on someone else's door - I'm not interested in your nonsense. This is a debate not a JW ranting session.

I'm done with you until you're prepared to have a two way conversation.

(And I suggest others do the same)

Debate on your terms, CJD are we not allowed to stand up for what we believe and know to be true?

 

[cjd]

Debate on your terms, CJD are we not allowed to stand up for what we believe and know to be true?

A debate is where people argue ideas. It's a two way process; you say something I consider what you've said and respond. you do the same. It relies on both parties being willing to think, weigh-up and interact.

They're not my terms, it's how debates work.

You have said that anything we say or show you is the work of satan and that you will not and can not read it.

That's not a debate - that's just you prostheletising on a JW crusade.

Grow up and participate or go and knock on another door.

 

[FaerieB]

Did you know that if you put your fingers in your eyes you can niether hear nor speak therefore you are neither learning nor teaching x

 

[BizGurl]

Did you know that if you put your fingers in your eyes you can niether hear nor speak therefore you are neither learning nor teaching x

Sounds painful.

 

[FaerieB]

Nooooooooooooo .... you don't have to poke them in .... just look at how we are communicating then put your fingers over your eyes ... simples ... is that evolution or religion or spiritulism or what :|

woof woof x

 

[BizGurl]

Nooooooooooooo .... you don't have to poke them in .... just look at how we are communicating then put your fingers over your eyes ... simples ... is that evolution or religion or spiritulism or what :|

woof woof x

Did you know that if you put your fingers in your eyes you can niether hear nor speak therefore you are neither learning nor teaching x

Don't worry I know you didn't mean literally.

 

[cjd]

DCE will now shut up for a while, whilst he asks his supervisor what to do next, then carry on copy and pasting as though nothing has happened.

Please ignore him unless he is prepared to participate rather than preach.

 

[DCE]

DCE will now shut up for a while, whilst he asks his supervisor what to do next, then carry on copy and pasting as though nothing has happened.

Please ignore him unless he is prepared to participate rather than preach.

The fact you need to face CJD that the theory of evolution serves the purposes of Satan.

He wants people to imitate his course, and that of Adam and Eve, in rebelling against God.

This is especially so now, since the Devil has only “a short period of time” left. (Revelation 12:9-12)

Thus, believing in evolution would mean promoting his interests and blinding oneself to the wonderful purposes of the Heavenly Kingdom arrangement, that has been set up by our Creator, and his Son and our King Jesus Christ.

How, then, do you think we feel about this?

We feel indignant toward those who try to defraud us of money, or even of a few material possessions.

We feel even stronger indignation toward the doctrine of evolution and its originator, since the intent is to defraud us of eternal life on earth.—1Peter 5:8.

People need to know the real truth of God's word, and because you don't want to discuss it, but dismiss the fact there is a God, just keep contributing to the thread, Not Knowing the Mind of God, and I'm sure you will find your own peace of mind, as I have found mine, because of Knowing the Mind of God.

 

[Parthelan]

Cjd... no........ no.................NO!!!!!!!

 

[cjd]

The fact you need to face CJD that the theory of evolution serves the purposes of Satan

There must be something about 'I only read the first sentence' that you don't understand.

You see, saying that the theory of evolution serves the work of Satan, only serves to demonstrate that you have no desire or capacity to take part in any sort of sane discussion.

Please take me off your list of doors to knock on.

 

[MASSEY]

The fact you need to face CJD that the theory of evolution serves the purposes of Satan.

He wants people to imitate his course, and that of Adam and Eve, in rebelling against God.

This is especially so now, since the Devil has only “a short period of time” left. (Revelation 12:9-12)

Thus, believing in evolution would mean promoting his interests and blinding oneself to the wonderful purposes of the Heavenly Kingdom arrangement, that has been set up by our Creator, and his Son and our King Jesus Christ.

How, then, do you think we feel about this?

We feel indignant toward those who try to defraud us of money, or even of a few material possessions.

We feel even stronger indignation toward the doctrine of evolution and its originator, since the intent is to defraud us of eternal life on earth.—1Peter 5:8.

People need to know the real truth of God's word, and because you don't want to discuss it, but dismiss the fact there is a God, just keep contributing to the thread, Not Knowing the Mind of God, and I'm sure you will find your own peace of mind, as I have found mine, because of Knowing the Mind of God.

Why do you take part anyway DCE. You could be shunned by the other members of the cult for engaging in such debate? We know how cruel jehovah witnesses can be when some one does something against the grain. Accepting blood from another to preserve life etc.

 

[DCE]

Why do you take part anyway DCE. You could be shunned by the other members of the cult for engaging in such debate? We know how cruel jehovah witnesses can be when some one does something against the grain. Accepting blood from another to preserve life etc.

Explained it all before in earlier posts Massey, must have missed it.

 

[FaerieB]

All I know is ...

I was born with eyes to see
A mouth to speak
And various other bodily parts and senses/perceptions

Since the internet ...

I use my eyes to hear
My fingers to speak ... and the rest of it is a long story but I am also able to make myself either very visible or very invisible sometimes to different people at the same time ...

aaaand .... here is a poem wot I wrote some years ago ...

There are Angels among us ... we can't always see them but we don't always look ... if the eyes are blind ... one must look with the heart ...

Will someone please pass me the straight jacket x

 

[DCE]

A man fell into a pit and couldn't get himself out.

-- An empathetic person came along and said, "I feel for you down there."

-- An objective person walked by and said, "It's logical that someone would fall down there."

-- A Pharisee said, "Only bad people fall into pits."

-- Confucius said; "If you would have listened to me, you would not be in that pit."

-- A mathematician calculated how deep the pit was.

-- A news reporter wanted the exclusive story on the pit.

-- An IRS agent asked if he was paying taxes on the pit.

-- A self-pitying person said, "You haven't seen anything until you've seen my pit."

-- A fire-and-brimstone preacher said, "You deserve your pit."

-- A Christian Scientist observed, "The pit is just in your mind."

-- A psychologist noted, "Your mother and father are to blame for your being in that pit."

-- A self-esteem therapist said, "Believe in yourself and you can get out of that pit."

-- A Scientist calculated the pressure in pounds per square inch to get him out of the pit.

-- An evolutionist said: "You are a rejected mutant destined to be removed from the evolutionary cycle."

In other words, he is going to die in the pit, so that he cannot produce any "pit-falling offspring."

-- A bureaucrat asked if he had a permit to dig a pit.

-- A professor gave him a lecture on: "The Elementary Principles of the Pit."

-- A realist said, "That's a PIT!"

-- An optimist said, "Things could be worse."

-- A pessimist claimed, "Things will get worse."

Jesus, seeing the man, took him by the hand and lifted him out of the pit.

It brings to mind what the real pitfall in life is, not having the Mind of Christ, would you agree?

 

[Whili_fili]

A man fell into a pit and couldn't get himself out.....
bla, bla, bla, bla...

Are you in possession of CCTV footage to prove your clam...?

Do you actually hold any evidence or details of real and sensible witnesses related to the situation?

Please try not to brainstorm and then write everything that comes on your mind, even a child could do that, but follow the simple steps in semantics.

 

[cjd]

Please stop feeding the troll

 

[Parthelan]

A man fell into a pit and couldn't get himself out.blah blah blah.

---- a jehovah witness would hand him a watchtower mag and ask for a donation: not telling him the donation is used by their headquaters to protect paedophiles:

In May of 2007 the Associated Press revealed that sixteen victims of abuse were
paid the largest settlement in the history of the organization to sign gage orders and cover up the sexual abuse they
experienced as children.( 4 ) This was the result of a five year legal battle that involved millions of dollars in attorney fees
to protect the rights of child molesters within the religion. Victims were ostracized and even disfellowshipped for trying to
reveal the identity of their molesters while Watchtower lawyers went to court to defend the "religious right" of convicted
child molesters to prevent information from being revealed that would have convicted them of further crimes against
children. Is this a charity fund that any rational person would be proud to donate to? In addition to protecting child
molesters in the courts, donations to Jehovah's Witnesses also maintain a database of 23,720 alleged molesters within
the religion's home office in New York. This database was first reported in 2002 ( 5 ) and may now contain well over
25,000 child molesters that have been discovered and hidden within the administrative files of Watchtower. These
abusers remain unknown to the public or even church members as an administrative policy of Watchtower to protect the
"religious right" of their member/child molesters. When law enforcement seeks to find information on the in church
confessions of these pedophiles Watchtower donation funded attorneys declare "ecclesial privilege" and demand that this
information is confidential thus guaranteeing the continued freedom of child molesting members. These same protected
molesters are required by mandates of the church to participate in the "preaching work". Yes JW pedophiles continue to
call at your door to give you some literature, offer a home bible study and suggest that you make a donation to support​

their work.

 

[MASSEY]

Theres a good show on bbc2 at the moment. Shame DCE can't watch it.

 

[Parthelan]

Theres a good show on bbc2 at the moment. Shame DCE can't watch it.

Brian Cox .... all the women in my house watch him - and theyre not remotely interested in cosmology - I know what theyre thinking too

 

[DCE]

---- a jehovah witness would hand him a watchtower mag and ask for a donation: not telling him the donation is used by their headquaters to protect paedophiles:

St. Mark Greek Orthodox Church

In recent years, however, it has become increasingly clear that some clergy and church volunteers have engaged in sexual misconduct in some parishes in America, which has hurt those very persons entrusted to their care. Unfortunately, in the past, instances of sexual misconduct at other parishes were often denied by church authorities or dealt with secretly. Frequently, offenders have been sent on to another parish or diocese while victims were neglected or even blamed and parishes ignored. Such a response fails to implement the standards of justice and love God requires of the Orthodox Church.

Its a pity it happens in all organizations, even your's Tom, but we can only try and stamp it out, as many embrace Christianity, only to fall short, and let themselves down, and the organisation they represent, who have to bear the cost.

Jehovah and Jesus are watching, they see everything, and all will, soon be sorted out, for good in the very near future.

By the way Tom, it is much easier to be critical, than to be correct, don't you thinks so?

 

[MASSEY]

Jehovah and Jesus are watching, they see everything, and all will, soon be sorted out, for good in the very near future.

You never do yourself any favours

Things You Will Never Be Told ​

There are several things, however, that you indeed will never be told. For example, you will never know that the Watchtower Society has made many false predictions concerning when Armageddon would happen. The Society has clearly taught several dates for Armageddon - 1914, 1918, 1925, 1941, and 1975. All of these "prophecies" proved to be false. The most recent prophetic failure occurred in 1995 when the Watchtower Society was forced to back away from their prophetic teaching that "the generation that saw the events of 1914" would survive to see Armageddon (aged Witnesses from that generation have all largely died off). But how can God's mouthpiece - the Watchtower Society - make mistakes? God doesn't make mistakes. (Please read Deuteronomy 18:21-22.) You will never be told that the Society built a house in San Diego, called Beth Sarim, which was to be given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when they returned to the earth in 1925 - as the Society taught.
And finally, you will never be told that your decision to become a Jehovah's Witness may have devastating consequences on your family, friendships, and mental well-being. As mentioned previously, being a Witness will mean that you are only allowed to closely associate with other Witness friends and family. Should you disagree with the Society, or leave the organization, you will be "disfellowshipped." As a result, you will be cut off from all of your close relationships. Those who you once thought were your friends will suddenly turn their backs on you and will sever their fellowship with you. You will be isolated and alone unless you "come to your senses" and come back to the organization. In other words, their is no honorable way to leave the organization once you have made the decision to become a Jehovah's Witness. You can remain a Witness and be forced to believe things you really don't believe, or you can leave the organization and lose many of your closest relationships and loved ones.

Your predictions are based on nothing, just what the chap sitting in the watchtower brainwashes you with.

 

[MASSEY]

Brian Cox .... all the women in my house watch him - and theyre not remotely interested in cosmology - I know what theyre thinking too

He's making science "sexy" haha

 

[DCE]

You never do yourself any favours
Your predictions are based on nothing, just what the chap sitting in the watchtower brainwashes you with.

More of Satan's propaganda.

(Matthew 24:36) 36*“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. (Put's the Trinity Teaching it's right place)

(Matthew 24:44) 44*On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.

Those who speculated, have not read the above scripture's, obviously, but the scripture does say, at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming, does it not?

 

[cjd]

 

[FaerieB]

Hey CJD .... who made you God :| ...

 

[cjd]

Hey CJD .... who made you God :| ...

I'm totally manmade, like all the rest.

 

[FaerieB]

I'm totally manmade, like all the rest.

Please stop telling us all what to do and then .... it's not very nice x

 

[Parthelan]

Its a pity it happens in all organizations, even your's Tom, but we can only try and stamp it out, as many embrace Christianity, only to fall short, and let themselves down, and the organisation they represent, who have to bear the cost.

You left this out when you were doing your selective editing:

Anyone who knows of or suspects sexual misconduct is shall immediately report the incident or suspicion to a priest or any member of the Parish Council. If the misconduct involves sexual offense or abuse against a child, it should be reported also to the local law enforcement authorities in conformity with applicable laws.
Suspicion is cause enough to report. The confidentiality of the victim and the person who reports will be maintained, in conformity with applicable laws.

Let's see what the jehovahs witnesses say:

"In the organization, you have to have two witnesses, and of course it's almost impossible to have two witnesses to a child molestation. So if a parent comes with their daughter to the elder, they ask and he says, no, I didn't do it, then that's the end of the matter. I would like to see them recognize it, take it to the civil authorities and professionals that are capable and qualified to help the victims." Joe Anderson, former Jehovah's Witness elder.

The Jehovah's Witnesses organization follows a biblical standard when investigating allegations of any offense on the part of a member. Proof that an offense has occurred requires either:

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The testimony of at least two witnesses to a single case of abuse, 2 or [/FONT]​

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In the case of sexual abuse, the only witnesses are usually the perpetrator and the victim. As a result, proof cannot often be obtained unless the perpetrator is willing to confess to the crime. According to a 1995 article in the Watchtower, a publication of the Watchtower Society (WTS), if proof cannot be obtained, elders are to "explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial (church disciplinary) way...the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person." The article suggested that "The question of his guilt or innocence can be safely left in Jehovah's (God's) hands."​

Click here for others to read about jehovah witness theocratic warfare and their licence to lie.

Click here for others to read about the truth about jehovah witnesses handling of child sex abuse cases. From Silentlambs.org - a survivors network set up to support victims of jehovah witness child sex abuse who are shunned for speaking up.

While many of the main stream churches have been rightly vilified for their previous failure to accept and deal with the problem, there is a general recognition now that the problem is being dealt with in an exemplorary manner - albeit some of these churches had to be dragged kicking and screaming to get to that point.

The jehivah witnesses, due to their cultish mentality and superiority complex - I mean, you have to have a superiority complex if you believe you are the official mouthpiece of God and God only communicated through you - continue to vilify the victims, and protect paedophiles in their midst.​

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150 years of existence, billions of copies of your thrash published every year, millions of door to door canvicers, and only 7 million members world wide

God is indeed protecting his true church from you cults

 

[Parthelan]

More of Satan's propaganda.

Those who speculated, have not read the above scripture's

Indeed, they were doing the work of Satan, as you say.

But wait, they were your leaders, your boys in the bethel in brooklyn, the very men who climed to be the only mouthpieces of God... and they were profoundly wrong - as you totally agree.

What else are they wrong about - any jehovah witness still able to think for themselves has to ask.

 

[Parthelan]

He's making science "sexy" haha

Now my wife and daughters new background

Women can be sooooooooooo superficial at times

 

[MASSEY]

More of Satan's propaganda.

(Matthew 24:36) 36*“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. (Put's the Trinity Teaching it's right place)

(Matthew 24:44) 44*On this account YOU too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.

Those who speculated, have not read the above scripture's, obviously, but the scripture does say, at an hour that YOU do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming, does it not?

But your magazine clearly tries to predict the "coming". I mean whats all the nonsense below about, completely contradicts the quotes you gave me?

The Watchtower magazine of January 1, 1978 (page 31) explains: "...when it comes to the application in our time, "the generation" logically would not apply to babies born during World War I. It applies to Christ's followers and others who were able to observe that war and other things tat have occurred in fulfillment of Jesus composite sign. Some of such persons will by no means pass away until all of what Christ prophesied occurs, including the end of the present wicked system."


The November 8, 1994 Awake! on pg. 10 says . .
This time of the end is, however, to be a relatively short period-stretching over one generation. (Luke 21:31, 32) The fact that we are now 80 years beyond 1914 indicates that we can soon expect the deliverance that God's Kingdom will bring. This means that we will see "the lowliest one of mankind"-Jesus Christ-take complete control of "the kingdom of mankind" and bring about a peaceful and just new world.-Daniel 4:17.

The January 1, 1984 Watchtower on pg. 5 under the topic Reliability of Bible Prophecy? says . .
Man lacks complete control of future situations and must react to them as they develop. God is different. His predictions are precise for two reasons. First, as the Creator, Jehovah knows humans and he can accurately fortell where human thought and action will lead. (Deuteronomy 31:21; Isaiah 46:9, 10) Second, God can shape events before they happen. In both ways his purpose is always accomplished and his prophetic word is always stamped as true.

Considering

Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

The WTS still decided to go ahead and make it up as they went along. :|

 

[DCE]

Indeed, they were doing the work of Satan, as you say.

But wait, they were your leaders, your boys in the bethel in brooklyn, the very men who climed to be the only mouthpieces of God... and they were profoundly wrong - as you totally agree.

What else are they wrong about - any jehovah witness still able to think for themselves has to ask.

More of Satan's propaganda, coming from you Tom.

By the way Tom even a Court of Law has to have at least two, tricky tongue again Tom

 

[Parthelan]

it is much easier to be critical, than to be correct, don't you thinks so?

Dick, with the jehovah witnesses its toooooo easy to be critical AND correct

I mean, you do agree with me that any cult that lets a beautiful girl needlessly die is evil, right? Or an organisation that shuns a vulnerable adult who then commits suicide because of the shame. Such a cult is evil, isnt it Dick? You do agree dont you Dick?

 

[DCE]

But your magazine clearly tries to predict the "coming". I mean whats all the nonsense below about, completely contradicts the quotes you gave me?

It's all about keeping on the watch Massey.

(Matthew 25:13) 13*“Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU know neither the day nor the hour.

Good advice, don't you think?

 

[FaerieB]

I mean, you do agree with me that any cult that lets a beautiful girl needlessly die is evil, right? Or an organisation that shuns a vulnerable adult who then commits suicide because of the shame. Such a cult is evil, isnt it Dick? You do agree dont you Dick?

But isn't that just life ...

 

[Parthelan]

But isn't that just life ...

What are you talking about? Isnt what just life?

No, it isnt ''just life'' when someone can be saved easily and simply but the family, brainwashed by an evil cult like the jehovah witnesses, wont sign the consent because of their patholigical fear of shunning, and instead are forced to watch their daughter die, and latrer their entire family fall apart because of guilt.

It isnt ''just life'' to humiliate and demoralise an already vulnerable adult to the point where he takes his own life after being shunned by these evil monsters in the jehovah witnesses.

Im sure Dick agrees with me, dont you Dick?

 

[FaerieB]

What are you talking about? Isnt what just life?

No, it isnt ''just life'' when someone can be saved easily and simply but the family, brainwashed by an evil cult like the jehovah witnesses, wont sign the consent because of their patholigical fear of shunning, and instead are forced to watch their daughter die, and latrer their entire family fall apart because of guilt.

It isnt ''just life'' to humiliate and demoralise an already vulnerable adult to the point where he takes his own life after being shunned by these evil monsters in the jehovah witnesses.

Im sure Dick agrees with me, dont you Dick?

But if it isn't just life perhaps you ought to pull all the world leaders into the equation because it goes on every second of every minute of every hour of day .... in my opinion, whether I like it or not ... it's just life x

 

[Parthelan]

It's all about keeping on the watch Massey.

(Matthew 25:13) 13*“Keep on the watch, therefore, because YOU know neither the day nor the hour.

Good advice, don't you think?

Where do you think your leaders went wrong Dick? You agree they were wrong Dick.

DCE - Dick - agrees the leaders of the jehovahs witnesses were wrong - so Dick, where else do you think they are wrong?

Since you also believe these cults are the mouthpiece of god Dick - your god must be wrong eh?

So, Dick - you agree with me on the following, your leaders were wrong, as you have publically stated, and your god was wrong too..... so obviously he cant be the true god eh?

Sounds to me like your just about ready for me to send one of my Orthodox priests to help striaghten you out - seeing as you are starting to see the errors of your cult

 

[DCE]

Dick, with the jehovah witnesses its toooooo easy to be critical AND correct

I mean, you do agree with me that any cult that lets a beautiful girl needlessly die is evil, right? Or an organisation that shuns a vulnerable adult who then commits suicide because of the shame. Such a cult is evil, isnt it Dick? You do agree dont you Dick?

Tom the apostle Paul warned against "the trickery of men." (Ephesians 4:14)

He encountered "deceitful workers" who pretended to present the truth but who actually distorted it. (2 Corinthians 11:12-15)

To attain their objectives, such men would resort to a selective use of evidence, emotionally loaded language, misleading half-truths, devious innuendo, and even outright lies.

Is that not your objective Tom, is that the training you have had, from the Orthodox Church you belong too, getting to know the mind of Jesus and imitating his ways, I don't think so.

You have a tricky tongue, you speak without the real facts, so the Apostle Paul, was certainly right to warn us, so we could prepare, for your sort of onslaught of misleading half-truths and devious innuendo.

Don't forget Jesus was put to death due, to false accusations, what's changed Tom, he was completely innocent of all charges, but his opposer's got other people to believe the lie.

Make sure you have all the facts Tom, not just hearsay from Satan's propaganda machine, which you seem to be now, part of.

Your conscience should be telling you, someone is watching you, and he is.

 

[Jeff Knows]

Honestly, CJD was right.. it's best just to stop feeding DCE.

You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

There is a fundamental difference between DCE and most people in this thread, and it's not the existence of God or what nuances of his will we should obey. It is simply that most of us value the ability to properly and correctly process information and then understand the conclusion we arrive at. DCE, does not.

It is like debating the pro's and cons of national healthcare with someone who doesn't value human life. It is pointless. You will never get an honest debate from him because, despite what he preaches, he doesn't actually comprehend what intellectual honesty is.

There are people who are simply incapable of logical thought, or have at least spent years being indoctrinated into thinking it is a bad thing, a thing that will only cause you to think freely (Oh the shame of it) and question your faith in the absurd.

Any man willing to condemn another based on a story he hasn't even attempted to verify should be vilified publicly, not debated. There is holding an abhorrant but reasoned opinion on something and there is wilfully ignorant and intentionally dull witted.

He has castrated his own mental capacity in search of some cosmic salvation from a being that more than likely hates him for some stupid ********. His life to throw away.