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As above, I work from home and want to instal two cameras to monitor the front and back of my property. I've read other threads hererelating to data protection etc and I'm satisfied with my legal position re. data protection. I'm using indoor cameras at the windows to avoid the expense of outdoor equipment, so they aren't 'in your face visible' but can bee seen if you look for them.
I just need to know, is there a legal requirement for these cameras to be visible?
 
In this case you don't need any signs, It's your home not a commercial office block. I had cameras installed at my home, driveway etc. You couldnt miss them, and it's nice laid in bed checking your empire ! It does the job. Put it this way, anyone up to no good isn't going to bother you when there are so many other easy targets. Getting a safe and a redcare alarm is also worthwhile if you not around much/holidays.
 
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saxondale has it spot on. You do not need to put up any signage, nor do you have to only restrict it to your path. Our camera at home watches the path and the majority of the pavement and street in front of the house.

Motion activated, recording automatically kicks in when someone walks up the street or a car drives past.
 
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Officially your home is classed as private property whether you work from home or not. When installing CCTV on or in your property which members of the general public have access to it is your duty to keep records of evidence which has been stored on additional media such as CD's or tapes. You also have a duty to inform members of the public they are being monitored by installing a data compliant CCTV sign or signs http://www.dtsdigitalcctv.co.uk/CCTV-Signs.asp if members of the general public are not free to enter your property I would not worry about it. I have a shop and have just installed a couple of signs mainly as a deterrent rather than satisfying the data protection act. I don't really keep evidence records.
However the police regularly use my footage for evidence in shoplifting and never question whether my site is DPC.
 
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saxondale said:
not true - doesnt apply to domestic premises

not true - You can record anything you can see normally.
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If your Camera goes into a public space areas, you must place signs as a warning, the boundary is your property and no further.
 
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DCE said:
If your Camera goes into a public space areas, you must place signs as a warning, the boundary is your property and no further.
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The Government disagrees with your opinion:

"The use of cameras for limited household purposes is exempt from the DPA. This applies where an individual uses CCTV to protect their home from burglary, even if the camera overlooks the street or other areas near their home."

http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/cctv_code_of_practice_html/
 
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Brookdel said:
Officially your home is classed as private property whether you work from home or not. When installing CCTV on or in your property which members of the general public have access to it is your duty to keep records of evidence which has been stored on additional media such as CD's or tapes. You also have a duty to inform members of the public they are being monitored by installing a data compliant CCTV sign or signs http://www.dtsdigitalcctv.co.uk/CCTV-Signs.asp if members of the general public are not free to enter your property I would not worry about it. I have a shop and have just installed a couple of signs mainly as a deterrent rather than satisfying the data protection act. I don't really keep evidence records.
However the police regularly use my footage for evidence in shoplifting and never question whether my site is DPC.
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the only limitation on home cctv is planning law.
 
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saxondale said:
No signs required on domestic property.
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<-- this is correct. He knows what he talks about, as do the various resources provided by Government sources and the Police sources.

Anyone who disagrees with this statement, provide a reliable, reputable source from Government/Local Authority/Police that states otherwise. Even better, find a prosecution or charge against a home owner who has CCTV and no sign. We have CCTV at home and no sign, if someone feels so strong, please phone/make a complaint against us the police and lets see what happens :)
 
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stugster said:
The Government disagrees with your opinion:

"The use of cameras for limited household purposes is exempt from the DPA. This applies where an individual uses CCTV to protect their home from burglary, /
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How can a camera protect your home from burglary.:|

I have flood lights and a warning sign that says.

"beware of the AK47"

Seems to work OK.:rolleyes:

Earl
 
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saxondale said:
you can record anything you see normally
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So if i stick a camera up outside my house, I decide to point it at the bedroom of the fairly attractive more mature lady across the road. Your telling me if she complained it would not cause me trouble.?
 
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MASSEY said:
So if i stick a camera up outside my house, I decide to point it at the bedroom of the fairly attractive more mature lady across the road. Your telling me if she complained it would not cause me trouble.?
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No. That would be an issue. If your camera is obviously pointed directly at someone's window, and not being used for the purpose intended, you can be brought up for breaching Human Rights Act.
 
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MASSEY said:
So if i stick a camera up outside my house, I decide to point it at the bedroom of the fairly attractive more mature lady across the road. Your telling me if she complained it would not cause me trouble.?
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of course it would, privacy laws then come into play - you still wouldn`t need a sign.
 
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stugster said:
No. That would be an issue. If your camera is obviously pointed directly at someone's window, and not being used for the purpose intended, you can be brought up for breaching Human Rights Act.
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According to saxondale your fine to record anything you can see normally. I can see her window from my house.

Was he talking rubbish Stugster :(
 
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MASSEY said:
According to saxondale your fine to record anything you can see normally. I can see her window from my house.

Was he talking rubbish Stugster :(
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you`ve asked two separate things



yes you can see her window, no you cannot look in it.




choose your battles wisely.
 
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stugster said:
No. That would be an issue. If your camera is obviously pointed directly at someone's window, and not being used for the purpose intended, you can be brought up for breaching Human Rights Act.
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The cctv camera at one particular spot on a main road near me can be regularly seen pointing 105 degrees at the top flat of a block of flats set off the main road. This flat never pulls their curtains as I guess they feel theyre not being overlooked by anyone. If only they knew!

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Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be prosecuted...
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''It will take you 8 seconds to get from my door to my gate. My dogs do it in 2. '' :D
 
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MASSEY said:
So if i stick a camera up outside my house, I decide to point it at the bedroom of the fairly attractive more mature lady across the road. Your telling me if she complained it would not cause me trouble.?
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Until she complains, no problem at all.
Then the knownowts (dibble) could ask you to redirect it due to harrassment.
Jack diddly to do with ICO.,DPA etc
 
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i don't think you need to sign a warning. this is your house and the limited outside space of your house
 
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MASSEY said:
So if i stick a camera up outside my house, I decide to point it at the bedroom of the fairly attractive more mature lady across the road. Your telling me if she complained it would not cause me trouble.?
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If she walks around in her undies without closing the curtains then she's probably not shy.
 
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Off course peter you can use more than 1 CCTV camera at your home premises because you are just securing your surrounding....
 
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I have a strong desire to record the prat who lets his or her dog pee copiously on our slate gateway nearly every morning in the 'wee' hours. It was a real problem when we were using a wheelchair for the Wifes Mother.

I have an external WebCam that works of Wifi so, in view of what is said above I think I might go ahead and install it under the eaves so it gets a good view.

I only want to identify the offender so I can confront them, although I might send the local rugby team to go and pee on their doorstep one Friday night :)
 
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Don't confront them. Follow them home, get their address, then submit their address and video to the council. Request that you be kept informed at all times of the progress of the £100 fine they can levy on to the person.
 
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