Writing a manual like Mc Donalds.

Bigpockets

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Morning.

Does anyone know of any software out there that can help me write a company procedure manual ?

I find it a problem with staff not following simple guidelines when entering information into our website and thought this might be the answer.
Again your comments would be valid.

Simon Parkinson
 
Hey,

Have you ever thought about doing a staff handbook that they have to sign and date with the employer or a discipinary action can and will be taken.

Regards

Phillip Booker
PLS Computer Services
 
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Does anyone know of any software out there that can help me write a company procedure manual ?

I find it a problem with staff not following simple guidelines when entering information into our website and thought this might be the answer.
Again your comments would be valid.

If they don't follow "simple guidelines", why do you expect they'd follow a procedure manual?

Surely a manual is more complex?

There's clearly an underlying issue here and either you don't really know what it is, or you know, but haven't told us.

Steve
 
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If they read and sign the staff handbook they sign that they have read and understook the book and the rules and to do their job propply.

If they go against it then that means you can start doing somethink about them not doing the job propply.

Regards


Phillip Booker
PLS Computer Services
 
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If they read and sign the staff handbook they sign that they have read and understook the book and the rules and to do their job propply.

If they go against it then that means you can start doing somethink about them not doing the job propply.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree with the approach.

It strikes me as arrogant and heavy-handed and too quick to put the blame on the staff.

If the OP doesn't know why the staff aren't following the guidelines, he needs to find out before throwing his weight around.

For example, maybe he hasn't trained the staff properly, maybe he's wrong and the guidelines aren't clear, maybe they're unworkable.

Who knows?

If he just goes in and acts like the "big bossman" and threatens disciplinary action without bothering to find out the underlying cause, he'll be acting like an arse and a bully and there's a good chance the best of his staff will leave because of this.

Steve
 
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I agree with Steve in this. Disciplinary action isn't going to help.

BigPockets- are the guidelines you have in written form? Sit with someone whilst they do it to see if you can work our why they go wrong.

If they're not following instructions now, re-writing them as a manual may not help
 
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Hey,

I dont mean for him to throw his weight round, i mean just with a staff handbook he would be able to stick clear, I was only saying after this and they still are making the mistakes after further traning and help, then that member of staff isent for that job.

But its good to have a staff handbook because further employees of the company will be able to read and understand this book.

Regards


Phillip Booker
PLS Computer Services
 
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It looks like the OP is seeking software to allow creation of a procedure or a comprehensive set of the same. ie: a sequence in place to conduct any operation to achieve a desired result, not a staff handbook which is something completely different.

In answer to the OP, I am not aware of any software that would allow this as it really would be specific to your environment (there may well be something) Not sure what your business is but have you looked into perhaps iso accreditation?
 
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Very interesting comments.

I guess there is a lot of truth in what you are saying.

If the staff are not following the correct procedure after being told then i guess they need to be disciplined.

But some of my staff that fall into this category are family and long standing very loyal people who are always doing a million things to keep the machine moving.

I guess this manual thought is another attempt to stop mistakes as well as help the people involved.
They are not that frequent but even so preventable.

There you go cards on the table.

Simon
 
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Another member of staff would not be the way to solve.
A procedure in place and proper training to cover a process is all thats needed.

With the OP looking for software I assume there are many procedures hence a suggestion that iso could help, the training in accreditation is very good.
 
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Simon,

Family or No Family, Still you have to do somethink about it, You might not get more clients even you might lose them. How many times do you have to tell them before it sinks in.

Just because their your family, you treat them as staff, Keep your personal like away from your working life. It helps i recently just fired my ex girlfriend because she was abit mental after telling a client to "**** Off" she thought i fired her because of personal reasons.

Take into no advice, Family or no family, their members of staff.

Post if you have anymore questions.

Regards


Phillip Booker
PLS Computer Services
 
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Bigpockets,
The company and the way it is run are your business, your last post was input whilst mine was being done.

You need to set in place a procedure and ensure that staff are familiar with this, properly trained, they may have formed their own method of doing things and need to understand why a consistant method is needed.

No need for heavy-handedness, unless they buck the system.
 
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A staff Handbook is usually a document that forms part of the contract of employment. Though it may be 2 separate documents they would refer to each other.

A procedures manual explaining or inciting instructions of use, procedure, etc is a guidance manual or similar term. This might be an IT Policy, which would include the business website.

You can make any manual as definitive as you like, use flow charts etc. This supports staff training and provides easy reference so long as it is kept up to date.

Having stuff like this in place shows you are a responsible employer should it ever come to disciplinary or indeed if you are taken to a tribunal for unfair dismissal however, its not the be all and end all.

Id be more inclined to know a) was this part of their original job description (JD) b) if not and was added later, does it fit in with their general terms of the JD? Was it agreed or just put on them? i.e. are they comfortable with this type of work that wasnt in their JD when they started?

If it was an add on task after this person started in the role, did you check and agree it was within their limitations, just as you would have done at the job interview?

If its a genuine case of not getting to grips with a task and the employee is otherwise good at the job which you employed them to do, I would be inclined to ask if a) you are ok to pass it to another member of staff and then b) ask for volunteers.

If it was an add on task, perhaps they think it shouldnt be their job to do it, hence they dont do it correctly because they havent taken ownership.

Of course you can extend and amend a JD, and you should agree these changes, even if mandatory, with the employee. You then write the changes into their new JD which they should sign to agree and accept responsibility.

From then on you would follow a pattern of training and then performance monitoring, before considering disciplinary.
 
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If the staff are not following the correct procedure after being told then i guess they need to be disciplined.

But some of my staff that fall into this category are family and long standing very loyal people who are always doing a million things to keep the machine moving.

Hmmmm ...

You want to discipline "very loyal people who are always doing a million things to keep the machine moving"?

As I said, "hmmmm ...".

Does anyone else think the problem may lie with the management rather than the staff?

Steve
 
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Does anyone else think the problem may lie with the management rather than the staff?

Steve, you really should just get off the fence and say it as it is :cool:

FWIW - The vibe running through this thread suggests that you are correct though - it does seem more of a management issue than anything else :eek:
 
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Certainly sounds a bit odd.

If simple guidelines aren't being followed by loyal and diligent employees, then making them more complicated in the form of a manual isn't going to help.

The OP mentioned "entering information into our website". How good is the software interface? Is it one of those that even a saint couldn't get right?
 
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It sounds to me like you are looking for a process management solution to help staff by providing clearly defined procedures and processes - giving them clear terms of reference free from ambiguity.

These guys produce just such a piece of kit.

d
 
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Steve, you really should just get off the fence and say it as it is

I could be wrong, but it just doesn't add up.

If I were to guess, I'd say the problem is probably either:

(a) inadequate training (and that could include the staff not realising the importance of the data being entered correctly)

or

(b) the staff being so overworked that they have to cut corners somewhere and this is one of the places they do that.

Steve
 
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Tell us, when you asked this member of staff what the problem was with getting it correct, what was their reply? That answer would help some way to figuring out your issue here. You did ask, didn't you?
 
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I haven't got time to read the whole thread, but in response to the initial post: Have you ever worked in McDonalds? I did three shifts there over the summer before getting disgusted with everything about the place and leaving. Their 'manual' is the most ridiculous piece of self-aggrandising rubbish I've ever seen in my life. It's patronising and patently idiotic.

As if that weren't enough, it's a transparent attempt to save money on proper training and try and foster a completely artificial company 'spirit' that has absolutely nothing in common with what they try and make you do when you're actually on the floor.

If you even try to make anything like that wash with workers who have got half a brain, they'll hate you. And rightly so.

EDIT: It seems you're just looking to do the second thing. Guidelines don't give a company knowledge, happiness and productivity. Proper training and an approachable boss does that. Don't cut corners on this, because the people who work for you will almost certainly see straight through it and feel undervalued and disposable.
 
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Interesting reading.

It is not easy to describe a situation and for others to understand it fully unless you work here.

I would not like to think that we have a second rated setup, but rather a one that is constantly changing and improving, hence the need for guidelines.

I think another thing is that when you build a business like Bigpockets.co.uk the people that have been with us the longest have become friends as well, which also has its difficulties, especially if disciplining is needed.

Thanks for the link Mike and to everyone that has contributed.

 
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