What would you pay? Wage

[Abbyboo92]

Don't know about the insurance, but £10 an hour and £1 delivery sounds fair.

13p a mile is considered fair by the Government so if journeys are under 8 miles they are just about breaking even. What distance are most deliveries?

The majority of the deliveries are in the next town 3.5 miles away. The furthest we deliver to is 6.5 miles

So they clock on at say 6pm, clock off at 11 and for most of the time they wait for orders. Then out for delivery a few times.
Not bad work - least they are getting paid while watching the football etc.

The mileage allowance of 45p per mile isn't great but contributes towards fuel and maintenance of the car. And they get paid per delivery too.

There's worse jobs of an evening.

I don’t pay mileage, just the £1 per delivery which contributes to petrol costs. This includes every delivery whether walking distance or 5miles away. If driver takes multiple orders he gets paid £2-4 etc

 

[Chawton]

They will know fine well what the average wage is.

Expect to be moaned at whatever you pay them though as your soft skills are simply horrendous.

 

[Mr D]

The majority of the deliveries are in the next town 3.5 miles away. The furthest we deliver to is 6.5 miles

I don’t pay mileage, just the £1 per delivery which contributes to petrol costs. This includes every delivery whether walking distance or 5miles away. If driver takes multiple orders he gets paid £2-4 etc

So running up potentially dozens of miles per night. And paying petrol - what's the cost per mile these days around town? 25p? More?

Expect them to carry on moaning. What you have to watch out for is quitting because someone else offers a better deal.

 

[Abbyboo92]

So running up potentially dozens of miles per night. And paying petrol - what's the cost per mile these days around town? 25p? More?

Expect them to carry on moaning. What you have to watch out for is quitting because someone else offers a better deal.

The takeaway places near me pay just £10 an hour, that’s it. No mileage

 

[Mr D]

The takeaway places near me pay just £10 an hour, that’s it. No mileage

Sure the staff are not claiming mileage?

Costs of running a private car are considerable. Before putting fuel in.

 

[Abbyboo92]

Sure the staff are not claiming mileage?

Costs of running a private car are considerable. Before putting fuel in.

100% certain. My employee used to work there for a year. So don’t really understand how he is complaining even though I am paying him more. I don’t drive so maybe I am not being compassionate enough. But surely they would be running that car whether they worked for me or not. And I have no idea how far £20 in petrol would go. One of my drivers has quite an inefficient car which isn’t helping him.

 

[Newchodge]

The £10 per hour. Do you pay that from the moment they start work (say 5.00 until they finish (say 11.00) or just for the time they are actually delivering?

 

[Abbyboo92]

The £10 per hour. Do you pay that from the moment they start work (say 5.00 until they finish (say 11.00) or just for the time they are actually delivering?

From the moment they start till they finish. However they may go 10-15 mins over as we take orders till closing time. This is rare though, and sometimes I’ll let them leave 15 mins early

 

[Newchodge]

From the moment they start till they finish. However they may go 10-15 mins over as we take orders till closing time. This is rare though, and sometimes I’ll let them leave 15 mins early

In that case they are getting a reasonable rate.

 

[Karimbo]

£1 a delivery for a local takeaway will more than pay for mileage. £10 an hour is fair.

If they're complaining, they can leave. I'm guessing they get some free food at the end of the shift as well.

I think your problem is they are too old for this sort of job and you need someone younger and hungrier for the work. The shifts are too short, 2-3 hours an evening and this is their problem.

 

[Abbyboo92]

£1 a delivery for a local takeaway will more than pay for mileage. £10 an hour is fair.

If they're complaining, they can leave. I'm guessing they get some free food at the end of the shift as well.

I think your problem is they are too old for this sort of job and you need someone younger and hungrier for the work. The shifts are too short, 2-3 hours an evening and this is their problem.

The shifts aren’t short they are doing 6.5 hours per night! But I agree wages have changed any young person having the option for this or min wage (18-21) would definitely choose this

 

[Alpha Helica Peptides]

As per it, i will set the wages on targets. If they succeed the target every night, then they will be able to get full money.

 

[Mr D]

As per it, i will set the wages on targets. If they succeed the target every night, then they will be able to get full money.

But if the business pays too low then encourage drivers to quit and get another job.

 

[Root 66 Woodshop]

I honestly cannot believe that someone running a business would be so stupid, so ignorant and flippant towards their own duties to the community, never mind their staff... If any of your staff have an accident during working hours they have voided their insurance, thus the poor sod that they've ran into is then liable with their own insurance because your employees are not covered for business use.

Our vehicle insurances are there for a reason... not for fools like you and your staff to ignore

Pathetic, and a complete joke! I hope you're not in my area... all you want is to make money, sod what happens to the public and potential customers!!

 

[Chris Ashdown]

The takeaway places near me pay just £10 an hour, that’s it. No mileage

Assuming they have to pay and have insurance and fuel for their car, would that take them close to below the minimum wage after all fuel in about £1,27 per liter at present, and business insurance quite high, 13 mile trips (6.5 x 2) for £1

Average mileage per 1 liter is 16.5km =10.25 miles so driver is spending just on fuel more than the £1 he earns per delivery to the next town

 

[Abbyboo92]

Assuming they have to pay and have insurance and fuel for their car, would that take them close to below the minimum wage after all fuel in about £1,27 per liter at present, and business insurance quite high, 13 mile trips (6.5 x 2) for £1

Average mileage per 1 liter is 16.5km =10.25 miles so driver is spending just on fuel more than the £1 he earns per delivery to the next town

As said above, the £1 per delivery is any delivery. That could be walking distance (neighbours) 1 minute drive. So it averages itself out

 

[ecommerce84]

Is there any possibility of purchasing a vehicle to be used for deliveries?

It would mitigate any issues with insurance cover and you could emblazon the van with your branding as another advertising channel.

On your original point though, I think for the wages you’re offering in addition to the extra per delivery and free food, you’d easily find drivers that would appreciate what you are paying. It is a fairly straightforward job and far less stressful than checkout or bar tending work which pay similar.

 

[Opinion87]

As said above, the £1 per delivery is any delivery. That could be walking distance (neighbours) 1 minute drive. So it averages itself out

I doubt it averages itself out. How many of your orders are from your next-door neighbour?

 

[Financial-Modeller]

Your current operating model will cause you a lot of problems when one of your employees is involved in their first road traffic accident, @Abbyboo92

If insurers learn (from any driver, passenger or witness) that your employee was driving in the course of employment without insurance for business use, the insurer's liability will be void.

As the employer, any (potentially unlimited) claims for injury, damage etc will come to you. Among other things, the courts will find against you because:

1. you say your contract of employment stipulates that employment is conditional upon employees arranging cover for business use, and
2. you have no evidence that they have done so - no copies of current or prior certificates of insurance

The police will probably press criminal charges, so any EL/PL/PI insurance that your business maintains will also be void, and you could find yourself both bankrupt and jailed.

It seems improbable that the kind of person who works for you for £65 per night, and runs their own car, would be in a position to afford the extra cost of business insurance.

Why not do the right thing and lease a small car/van, insure it properly, signwrite/brand it with your logo, phone number/web/app etc.



Edit: didn't see @ecommerce84 response - took a call whilst typing!

 

[Abbyboo92]

Is there any possibility of purchasing a vehicle to be used for deliveries?

It would mitigate any issues with insurance cover and you could emblazon the van with your branding as another advertising channel.

On your original point though, I think for the wages you’re offering in addition to the extra per delivery and free food, you’d easily find drivers that would appreciate what you are paying. It is a fairly straightforward job and far less stressful than checkout or bar tending work which pay similar.

That’s a great idea for the future, but right now I couldn’t afford it.

I doubt it averages itself out. How many of your orders are from your next-door neighbour?

At least 10% orders in walking distance

 

[pentel]

13p a mile is considered fair by the Government

This is for fuel.

The government also consider that the full cost of running a car is 45p per mile.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi.../travel-mileage-and-fuel-rates-and-allowances

This would include an allowance for the required insurance. Even at that rate low distance users will be making a loss.

 

[Alpha Helica Peptides]

But if the business pays too low then encourage drivers to quit and get another job.

It can be, because everything is critical and a honest people try to achieve the targets and earned more money and you have to set rewards.

 

[Mr D]

It can be, because everything is critical and a honest people try to achieve the targets and earned more money and you have to set rewards.

Set targets that are SMART then great.
Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Realistic, and Timely

Sadly too many employers try setting targets that have factors outside the control of the employee and it means the target can be easily missed - simply by other factors.

Nothing to do with honest people. Employer wants to set targets and tie some additional money on top to those targets, great. Honest or not honest does not come into it for the employee.
But set target such it cannot be achieved and it causes problems.

 

[chickenlady]

Just a thought, but as you don't seem to understand the insurance required for vehicles, do you also have the appropriate other insurances in place for your particular business? What about the required permissions and certifications?

 

[UrbanRetail]

Why not insure them through Zego for about £1 an hour? It's PAYG so you're only charged for the time actually out and about.

 

[menetworkjadaltd]

Is there not an "Adhoc" delivery service in your area?

 

[ecommerce84]

Just a thought, but as you don't seem to understand the insurance required for vehicles, do you also have the appropriate other insurances in place for your particular business? What about the required permissions and certifications?

She does.

Whilst this in no means makes it right, the vast majority of independent takeaways have delivery drivers set up in the same manner as the OP.

 

[Karimbo]

Is there not an "Adhoc" delivery service in your area?

For what I've heard it doesn't really work out for takeaways to do this. Service like uber eats with charge the customer a big delivery fee (2.99 - 3.99 per order), then they will charge the business 30% of the order value as comission.

For mid tier restaurants it can be worth it because they escape their bottleneck (lack of tables on busy nights), but for smaller takeaways it eats too much into their profit as their profit margin is much smaller.

A local takeaway with their own drivers, can offer free delivery and sell for exactly the same price as their walk-in customers.

Ubereats was never value for money, I'd rather get in my car and drive and pick up the food myself. There is a clear discrepancy with price. I've seen local takeaways where the uber eats order will be much smaller than the in-person order. Often meal deals are swapped out for a-la-carte so you miss out on the fries and drink.

Not to mention the dodgy practice of delivery services like deliveroo, where they rent out unused industrial land, build portacabin/shipping container kitchens and prepare all sorts of different cuisine and compete with the restaurants they're trying to "help". They pay little business rates based on the unused land which would have been used as a car park.

The problem with that is a local area might be flooded with deliver drivers on mopeds zomming past a previously quiet road every 5 mins up until 1-2am in the morning on weekends.

I welcome the digital services tax.

 

[menetworkjadaltd]

For what I've heard it doesn't really work out for takeaways to do this. Service like uber eats with charge the customer a big delivery fee (2.99 - 3.99 per order), then they will charge the business 30% of the order value as comission.

For mid tier restaurants it can be worth it because they escape their bottleneck (lack of tables on busy nights), but for smaller takeaways it eats too much into their profit as their profit margin is much smaller.

A local takeaway with their own drivers, can offer free delivery and sell for exactly the same price as their walk-in customers.

Ubereats was never value for money, I'd rather get in my car and drive and pick up the food myself. There is a clear discrepancy with price. I've seen local takeaways where the uber eats order will be much smaller than the in-person order. Often meal deals are swapped out for a-la-carte so you miss out on the fries and drink.

Not to mention the dodgy practice of delivery services like deliveroo, where they rent out unused industrial land, build portacabin/shipping container kitchens and prepare all sorts of different cuisine and compete with the restaurants they're trying to "help". They pay little business rates based on the unused land which would have been used as a car park.

The problem with that is a local area might be flooded with deliver drivers on mopeds zomming past a previously quiet road every 5 mins up until 1-2am in the morning on weekends.

I welcome the digital services tax.

Good point. But does that really justify two workers (on some occasions) taking £65 a night for 5 orders?

Could another solution be that a number of restaurants in the local area hire the same driver?

 

[Karimbo]

Good point. But does that really justify two workers (on some occasions) taking £65 a night for 5 orders?

Could another solution be that a number of restaurants in the local area hire the same driver?

Yes. but I think that's a bit of an exxageration. If a takeaway is getting 6 delivery orders a night, it should really shut down and stop trading.

 

[menetworkjadaltd]

Yes. but I think that's a bit of an exxageration. If a takeaway is getting 6 delivery orders a night, it should really shut down and stop trading.

yeah, sorry his original post stated 7-8 with some within walking distance