Today's wannabees and laziness

Hi,

I really enjoy reading comments made by members of this forum and they are all valid in many ways. I would like to talk about my own personal case.

I'm what you would probably call a spoilt brat. Parents paid for my education throughout university. I never had to work and have basically no work experience - except in Dad's wholesale business. Turnover of £500,000 - one man business. I have done marketing, cold calling, manned the stand at exhibitions, credit control, book keeping - you name it!

It may sound silly or even naive of me - but when I started looking for a job and was told that I would earn £6.50 an hour it was a BIG shock to me. I applied for graduate jobs (I got a 2:1 in Business, excellent GSCEs and A levels plus part ACCA qualified) - I got turned down because according to them, I would be fine working in small teams or on my own but not in a LARGE organisation like theirs. That was after taking all their silly online tests and passing them as well.

What option do I have left? It's either working as a telesales agent for £6.50/hour or try to do something on my own. Opening my online shop will be a low cost way of getting into business with *potentially* a bigger reward. Is it laziness?

Laziness are those teens who go get pregnant to be able to claim a council house and benefits. For all those who are actually trying - even if it is in front a computer screen... I think it does require some guts.

Just my thought on the topic! :)
 
Hi,

I really enjoy reading comments made by members of this forum and they are all valid in many ways. I would like to talk about my own personal case.

I'm what you would probably call a spoilt brat. Parents paid for my education throughout university. I never had to work and have basically no work experience - except in Dad's wholesale business. Turnover of £500,000 - one man business. I have done marketing, cold calling, manned the stand at exhibitions, credit control, book keeping - you name it!

It may sound silly or even naive of me - but when I started looking for a job and was told that I would earn £6.50 an hour it was a BIG shock to me. I applied for graduate jobs (I got a 2:1 in Business, excellent GSCEs and A levels plus part ACCA qualified) - I got turned down because according to them, I would be fine working in small teams or on my own but not in a LARGE organisation like theirs. That was after taking all their silly online tests and passing them as well.

What option do I have left? It's either working as a telesales agent for £6.50/hour or try to do something on my own. Opening my online shop will be a low cost way of getting into business with *potentially* a bigger reward. Is it laziness?

Laziness are those teens who go get pregnant to be able to claim a council house and benefits. For all those who are actually trying - even if it is in front a computer screen... I think it does require some guts.

Just my thought on the topic! :)
Don't give up. Believe in yourself. When you do that, opportunities will come your way. As I look back, the most important job opportunities for me were ones that I made myself - although I didn't realise how important those personal initiatives were at the time.

Also, don't put down those in poor circumstances. For sure, there are plenty of lazy people in all classes of society, but there are also many hard-working individuals trying to recover from mistakes they made earlier in their lives. Everyone deserves the opportunity to succeed.

So, as an exercise, can you 'sell yourself' in three paragraphs? What makes you different, and how could you help a company to succeed?
 
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Hi,

I really enjoy reading comments made by members of this forum and they are all valid in many ways. I would like to talk about my own personal case.

I'm what you would probably call a spoilt brat. Parents paid for my education throughout university. I never had to work and have basically no work experience - except in Dad's wholesale business. Turnover of £500,000 - one man business. I have done marketing, cold calling, manned the stand at exhibitions, credit control, book keeping - you name it!

It may sound silly or even naive of me - but when I started looking for a job and was told that I would earn £6.50 an hour it was a BIG shock to me. I applied for graduate jobs (I got a 2:1 in Business, excellent GSCEs and A levels plus part ACCA qualified) - I got turned down because according to them, I would be fine working in small teams or on my own but not in a LARGE organisation like theirs. That was after taking all their silly online tests and passing them as well.

What option do I have left? It's either working as a telesales agent for £6.50/hour or try to do something on my own. Opening my online shop will be a low cost way of getting into business with *potentially* a bigger reward. Is it laziness?

Laziness are those teens who go get pregnant to be able to claim a council house and benefits. For all those who are actually trying - even if it is in front a computer screen... I think it does require some guts.

Just my thought on the topic! :)

Well having the old man behind you may be a slight assistance.

Try it when you start with nothing.

Afraid you ain't qualified enough.

Silly post.

Earl
 
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Well having the old man behind you may be a slight assistance.

Try it when you start with nothing.

Afraid you ain't qualified enough.

Silly post.

Earl

Hi Earl,

I can't see why my post in silly!?

True, I probably had it *easier* in the early days. However, not being qualified enough does not mean that I do not have the potential. If companies go on the basis that I do not have experience, they are not really giving me a chance are they?

I am very compationate to people who had it harder than me. However, there are many people LIKE me - who had it really easy and then all of a sudden find themselves in the tough world. These are hard working people who are just asking for one chance.

D.
 
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Guess she has nothing better to do!!..

Fun lifestyle with hubby and a few chickens on a farm.. aint what its cracked up to be:)

If indeed that is true:)

tej you really are a sarcastic ****** ive seen much of what you type i think your an idiot, this site is about people who need information about business and help about what to do when starting up you seem like an old man who thinks he knows it all. ur annoying. and i hate old people
 
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daiso. I think Earl meant that you "ain't qualified enough" to "start with nothing".

Earl. Have you had a drink this afternoon? Are you in a bad mood about something? Your comment seems completely out of character for you. :)

I thought daiso's message sounded honest, sobering and straight from the heart - except, perhaps, for the part about some young girls trying to milk the system by deliberately getting pregnant. This is a complex social problem, and is partially to do with a habit handed down from their parents.

Paul Reed
 
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Tej

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Not meant to be kind!

Just the truth as I see it...

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What option do I have left? It's either working as a telesales agent for £6.50/hour or try to do something on my own. Opening my online shop will be a low cost way of getting into business with *potentially* a bigger reward. Is it laziness?


Whats that all about then?... you have a non working farm for fun !!.. as you put it..

Have I got it wrong?
 
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daiso. I think Earl meant that you "ain't qualified enough" to "start with nothing".

Earl. Have you had a drink this afternoon? Are you in a bad mood about something? Your comment seems completely out of character for you. :)

I thought daiso's message sounded honest, sobering and straight from the heart - except, perhaps, for the part about some young girls trying to milk the system by deliberately getting pregnant. This is a complex social problem, and is partially to do with a habit handed down from their parents.

Paul Reed

Ooopppsss.. Thanks. On rereading his post, yes that's what he meant I think,
 
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Not meant to be kind!

Just the truth as I see it...

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What option do I have left? It's either working as a telesales agent for £6.50/hour or try to do something on my own. Opening my online shop will be a low cost way of getting into business with *potentially* a bigger reward. Is it laziness?


Whats that all about then?... you have a non working farm for fun !!.. as you put it..

Have I got it wrong?

The farm is non-working yes. We do not have cows and crops. But we have holiday cottages to rent out. And it is a reallly nice place with lots of green space.
 
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I think the laziness factor was a bit unfair in the original thread.

It is a lot of hard work to get a business working online, the lazier route is to learn a craft.

Larry Wall of Perl fame in Programming Perl describes the programmer's virtues as being laziness, hubris and impatience, and that is true of all crafts really.

Another interesting book on the subject is The Book of Five Rings, where swordmanship is related to the work of a master craftsman.

There is nothing wrong with having skills, and the Strokes in Someday, put it quite succinctly, 'I am working so I won't have to try so hard.'
 
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daiso. I think Earl meant that you "ain't qualified enough" to "start with nothing".

Earl. Have you had a drink this afternoon? Are you in a bad mood about something? Your comment seems completely out of character for you. :)



Paul Reed

Yeah I amin a bad mood and no I ain't very sympathetic to people who whinge when they have had every advantage in life.

And are extremely rude about there fellow beings who were unlucky enough to travel down the wrong fallopian tube's

Try going to Africa to help the millions of kids that are going to die of starvation if you want to be of some bleeding use.

Earl
 
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yeah, u kno ur not gettin me hyped up if thats what ur thinkin. im not a wannabee u are a know it all.

Agrrrrr, this is lazy.
I failed my English O level three times, but a least I try.
How do these people write to their clients and customers?

Steve

Ps, I never did get it, but I did get them in French and Latin :|
 
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Hi Earl,

Listen - my post was just to get a message across. That people may have had it easy with parents etc... but when it comes to the job market or business we are all in the same boat!

And I am sorry. I did not mean to be rude about people getting pregnant. I was just saying that some girls deliberately get pregnant to get advantages and I believe that is true laziness.

And regarding African children, I will adopt one when my business does work out.

Yeah I amin a bad mood and no I ain't very sympathetic to people who whinge when they have had every advantage in life.

And are extremely rude about there fellow beings who were unlucky enough to travel down the wrong fallopian tube's

Try going to Africa to help the millions of kids that are going to die of starvation if you want to be of some bleeding use.

Earl
 
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Come on people, a girl posted for help and suggestions what way he should way, and some of you instead of helping her, started talking about the farm. How relevant is that?

OT: i know your situation, been in similar one where companies don't take you serious and education is not a big advantage. Suggestion from me would be to keep looking for a job and start something your own as you now have plenty of time. Who knows maybe in the future you will be sitting in dragons den.
 
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Hi,

Thanks. I am a girl. :) Yes, that is the plan - to try have a secure-ish income with a job while starting the business.

D

Come on people, a guy posted for help and suggestions what way he should way, and some of you instead of helping him, started talking about the farm. How relevant is that?

OT: i know your situation, been in similar one where companies don't take you serious and education is not a big advantage. Suggestion from me would be to keep looking for a job and start something your own as you have plenty of time now. Who knows maybe in the future you will be sitting in dragons den.
 
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I have done marketing, cold calling, manned the stand at exhibitions, credit control, book keeping...

Hi, you mentioned that you have experience in these areas but then said that you could only work at a call centre? There must be jobs out there in all of these areas and you could get one with the right amount of effort, qualifications and experience. Which of the above did you enjoy most? What aspects did you enjoy?

Could you, perhaps, concentrate on a particular area that you enjoy then take it from there?
 
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Agrrrrr, this is lazy.
I failed my English O level three times, but a least I try.
How do these people write to their clients and customers?

Steve

Ps, I never did get it, but I did get them in French and Latin :|

i am a lazy typer yay 4 me

well from looking at your signature line.... it would appear that some of your customers open there letters from you and the words are upside down? lol
 
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I did enjoy the marketing bit the most. But for employment opportunities, I want to have the accountancy professional qualification. I have done half of the total papers already.

Ideally, I would want a graduate job and that is what my rant is about. I can't seem to be able to get one - despite good qualifications, having worked in my dad's business and fluency in French!? It just seems to me that there is no job. I apply for them and get replies that I do not have relevant experience.

Hi, you mentioned that you have experience in these areas but then said that you could only work at a call centre? There must be jobs out there in all of these areas and you could get one with the right amount of effort, qualifications and experience. Which of the above did you enjoy most? What aspects did you enjoy?

Could you, perhaps, concentrate on a particular area that you enjoy then take it from there?
 
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Will you like ME better if I tell you that I got an A* in English? :)

I got nothing against you!!

Your first post came across as if you were struggling to get a job etc.

You did not let on that you were married and living comfortably with hubby.. on a farm bought for fun.. as per previous posts! etc etc.

You have posted that you were working in a niche business!

just wanted to know what the first post was all about?.. a saturday fun thing perhaps:)

Certainly would up a lot of wanabees:D:D

If I have got it wrong.. apologies!
 
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Tej, that is the whole point. I am not dying of hunger in any way. I said hubby but we are not married yet (we will be next year). It sounded complicated to put it all in the post. I am living on a big farm with outbuildings, gifted not bought. We are not running it as a farm, just keeping it for fun. It is nice to have chickens and plant potatoes. It is a lifestyle.

Niche business - maybe I was talking of my dad's business? He's into chemicals. I also trained as a silversmith. I dont know which niche business I was talking about.

Still, the point is - it would be nice to have a nice job. No, I am DESPERATE for a job. I am not desperate for money necessarily, but I am desperate for a job, for experience, for something I can say- I DID THIS.

Am I too complicated?


I got nothing against you!!

Your first post came across as if you were struggling to get a job etc.

You did not let on that you were married and living comfortably with hubby.. on a farm bought for fun.. as per previous posts! etc etc.

You have posted that you were working in a niche business!

just wanted to know what the first post was all about?.. a saturday fun thing perhaps:)

Certainly would up a lot of wanabees:D:D

If I have got it wrong.. apologies!
 
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Everyone would like their dream job or dream business to start with but it aint going to happen!

You need to get some employment under your belt, be it whatever, to show prospective employers that you are willing to work - and boy is there a lot out there at the moment, who aint, even with good degrees!

Take the £6.50/hour job in the call centre for 6 months, get used to the work ethic and then start applying for others, knowing you have employment history.

Also I would recommend anyone going into business, to make sure they have held at least one job - nothing better than seeing it from the other side, to make you realise the mistakes made!
 
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I did enjoy the marketing bit the most. But for employment opportunities, I want to have the accountancy professional qualification. I have done half of the total papers already.

Ideally, I would want a graduate job and that is what my rant is about. I can't seem to be able to get one - despite good qualifications, having worked in my dad's business and fluency in French!? It just seems to me that there is no job. I apply for them and get replies that I do not have relevant experience.

Well good luck, I think that it just takes persistence and hard work which you're obviously doing. Just keep at it and have faith.
 
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Coming from a middle -of-the-road background, with a nice home and some parental support (but certainly no hand-outs), I really can't understand this bitter faux-socialist nonsense against you.

As far as I can make out your question is just as relevant as anyone else's

Basic bits of advice:

1. Start at the bottom - you will progress fast on merit (not by dint of social position or even qualifications, I'm afraid)

2. If you are going to rely on an online business remember - half of the population has the greatest idea ever to sell online - only about 0.1% of them make it. Online selling isn't an easy option it is just a different form of marketing..

Please don't be put off by the put-downers..
 
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Thank you for your kind words. :)

Coming from a middle -of-the-road background, with a nice home and some parental support (but certainly no hand-outs), I really can't understand this bitter faux-socialist nonsense against you.

As far as I can make out your question is just as relevant as anyone else's

Basic bits of advice:

1. Start at the bottom - you will progress fast on merit (not by dint of social position or even qualifications, I'm afraid)

2. If you are going to rely on an online business remember - half of the population has the greatest idea ever to sell online - only about 0.1% of them make it. Online selling isn't an easy option it is just a different form of marketing..

Please don't be put off by the put-downers..
 
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Hi,

I really enjoy reading comments made by members of this forum and they are all valid in many ways. I would like to talk about my own personal case.

I'm what you would probably call a spoilt brat. Parents paid for my education throughout university. I never had to work and have basically no work experience - except in Dad's wholesale business. Turnover of £500,000 - one man business. I have done marketing, cold calling, manned the stand at exhibitions, credit control, book keeping - you name it!

It may sound silly or even naive of me - but when I started looking for a job and was told that I would earn £6.50 an hour it was a BIG shock to me. I applied for graduate jobs (I got a 2:1 in Business, excellent GSCEs and A levels plus part ACCA qualified) - I got turned down because according to them, I would be fine working in small teams or on my own but not in a LARGE organisation like theirs. That was after taking all their silly online tests and passing them as well.

What option do I have left? It's either working as a telesales agent for £6.50/hour or try to do something on my own. Opening my online shop will be a low cost way of getting into business with *potentially* a bigger reward. Is it laziness?

Laziness are those teens who go get pregnant to be able to claim a council house and benefits. For all those who are actually trying - even if it is in front a computer screen... I think it does require some guts.

Just my thought on the topic! :)

You have three issues. The first one is that no one has taught you how to get a job, that is not your fault. The second one is that your upbringing and background makes you think that working for £6.50 and hour is beneath you. Again not your fault but you will have to get over that especially if you start your own business. The third one is that you are in a comfortable position so you do not need to work apart from self esteem reasons. Again not your fault.

So of your three issues the one you can do something about is getting a job. I will take a guess that you have no real idea how to go about this or how much effort it takes so I will do a deal with you. I will spend my Saturday evening telling you how to do it and you will follow my instructions to the letter and I can assure you that offers of work will come. This will sound like a lesson so apologies up front.

The objective is to get a host of interviews not a job, that comes later.

Enjoy your weekend then starting on Monday you are going to work from 9am to 9pm every day with Sunday off. You will be at the computer and phone by 9am dressed as if you were going to work in an office.

Week 1
Research all companies that you think your skills could be used in within and list them in industry sectors and in order of priority of which ones you like. Ensure you get several hundred on spread sheets. Do research and find out who is responsible for recruiting. Avoid the HR department like the plague if it is a reasonable sized company find out who runs the departments and if it is a small company you want the MD.

Get on the phone and talk to them one after the other hour after hour. Make detailed notes on the spreadsheet. Find out if they are recruiting now or in the next few months. Find out if the are making people redundant! Amazing , how many companies recruit soon after;) Find out what really , really needs done in the company if only they had the resource. Make notes lots of them.

It will take the whole week to contact 200 people who could help you like the department heads or MD's . After 5pm each day ensure that your spreadsheets are up to date and reorganized in order of priority based on the feed back you got. Each evening send thank you emails to each person you spoke to thanking them for taking the time even if they did not help. Ensure all you contact details are on the email and have a hook strap line about looking for work.

Week 2

Repeat the above and keep doing so until you have a list of invites to send you CV to. By this point you should not have sent any. Once you have a list to send your cv to make sure it goes with a covering letter and both are tailored to the organization whom your are sending them to. Update the spreadsheet and ensure you follow up each and everyone with a phone call within 24 hrs. CV production and covering letter production is a skill and I do not have it and I suspect will also not have it. Consider getting an expert to help you. Search the web for a guy called Steve Holmes he is very good.

Week 3

Repeat the above again but by now you will be getting a bit fed up so get out and start walking into offices and asking for work this forgotten act brings surprising results. Also ensure that you call and have spoken to everyone your CV has been sent with the aim of getting a meeting. You are selling and it s not time to be shy. You want to have a meeting because you know you can help the company.

Week 4

If you have done enough of the above, which most people do not by about 90% plus you will have a selection of interviews to attend. Do not go near one of those interviews without having done extensive research on the company and ensure you know what the companies issues are. Go prepared in every way you can.

If you cannot get offers after doing 20 plus interviews consider getting interview training

Summary

Your first aim is to make hundreds and I mean hundreds of phone calls and as many drop in visits as you can.

Send CV's to those that request and follow up expect to only get 1 interview from about 10 cv's so I am sure with your accountancy background you can do the numbers to tell you how many contacts you need to make.

Expect to only get 1 job offer from around 5 interviews so again do the numbers.

Yes it is tough out there but there is still lots and lots of work. There is not a business without issues that needs fixing you just need to match your skills and abilities with that need, that means crunching large numbers.

If all of above fails you will have identified in the process some companies you would really like to work for so go and visit them and offer to work for free for a month as a trial.

You have had more luck so far than many. It is now time to stand on your own two feet. If you do the above several times in your life you will be also training for when you go self employed without knowing it.

The work is out there and needs doing it is up to you to find it. It will not find you.

Peter
 
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You have three issues. The first one is that no one has taught you how to get a job, that is not your fault. The second one is that your upbringing and background makes you think that working for £6.50 and hour is beneath you. Again not your fault but you will have to get over that especially if you start your own business. The third one is that you are in a comfortable position so you do not need to work apart from self esteem reasons. Again not your fault.



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Er so who's fault is it.?

Being aware of your enviroment is possible a socially reponsible thing.;)

Although I am resonably comfortable. It does not stop me being aware of the poor people who live at the bottom of the hill.:|

Earl
 
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Er so who's fault is it.?

Being aware of your enviroment is possible a socially reponsible thing.;)

Although I am resonably comfortable. It does not stop me being aware of the poor people who live at the bottom of the hill.:|

Earl

Just comes down to luck where she was born and who to, same as it is luck that dictates you are born to a drug ridden family in a sink estate.

Easy to say she should be more aware of the other side of society but having never been exposed to it she cannot be. My kids would not last two minutes in the environment I was brought up in even though thay have me as a dad and have been working since they were 12 and 13. Progression does have down sides as the gap between those who have and those who do not widens and each side becomes more distant from each other.

It will be her fault if she does not get off her backside and put to good use all the excellent advantages she has been given in that I agree, but the fact she got those advantages was just luck and it comes with disadvantages as we are seeing demonstrated;)
 
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Three issues.. and all to be blamed on others:)

1. No one has taught you how to get a job!!.. wonderful.. does one have to go to classes to be taught how to get a job?.. how do the multitudes look for a job?
2. Upbringing and background!!.. obviously not brought up with any sense of humility!
3. Comfortable.. nowt wrong with that... self esteem reasons?.. who makes that judgement?

Hope it all works out

Good luck!

IMO.. the OP does not really really want a job.. no point in giving up a comforable lifestyle.... mugs game :D
 
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Marry me baby, we'll spend all daddy's money and have a good time doing it! Sound like fun? It will be believe me I can get through moolar like there is no tomorrow or if you want a challenge give me a call (dump hubby and the other things they sound horrible).

Which ever way you go have fun, I do, these lot are just a mean bunch.;):cool:
 
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