Starting electrical independence

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if you manage to use your pond for useful energy - use it! In my case, a different design - it does not look like a Schauberger device, but we can assume that it is something like this - a closed design that only requires periodically lubricating the bearings and topping up the liquid. Everything else happens precisely because of the energy that is the source of the movement of huge masses of the world's oceans throughout the planet. But a pond is not needed for this)
Closed system only work if 100% efficient. No closed systems are 100% efficient. This means you need an external energy source.

But if you can show me a working model with sustainable generation I will give you all my money and support you in whatever way I can. Because you will have invented something engineers have been trying to do for thousands of years.
 
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Closed system only work if 100% efficient. No closed systems are 100% efficient. This means you need an external energy source.

But if you can show me a working model with sustainable generation I will give you all my money and support you in whatever way I can. Because you will have invented something engineers have been trying to do for thousands of years.
There are very weighty arguments from the point of view of reasonableness and expediency of only reasonable correct approach in this matter - this applies to technical and legal aspects. Therefore, I really appreciate your impulse, but from a business point of view, it will not solve anything. From the point of view of the result, it will solve nothing. I have no interest in appearing in front of you as a person who knows something and can do more than you. You also know very well how such a device works - because you are able to observe it in nature. Therefore, there is only one option for setting a goal that is real, achievable, limited in time and capable of achieving a result. This option consists of having a serious interested partner in the UK or the USA for whom the product testing I propose is a minimal financial investment and a technically feasible event. Even if you see the whole set in operation, you will have a lot of doubts and additional questions. And there are really a lot of questions here - both the cost and technical parameters and environmental friendliness and the price for the consumer and the payback period and business prospects for the owner, etc. All this will be positive, but only in the hands of a serious player on the markets. So I thank you for this impulse, but I don't want your money. If you are able to help me find such a partner, even if at the initial stage everything looks like a venture participation - the required amount for such a step is the minimum for any decent company or individual investor, but the potential for such a test will with a huge result. And about the closed system - in this device there is no closed system. Is the world ocean a closed system? Its currents, ebbs and flows are influenced by external factors and energy influences.
 
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Imagine we ignore everything we know about electricity and power generation, and assume that everything you say is true and that you've created a new physics.

What will be the effect on the moon if we use it's gravitational energy to provide all the electricity that the world needs?

What will be the long term effect of this?

How much worse than climate change will this problem be?
 
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Imagine we ignore everything we know about electricity and power generation, and assume that everything you say is true and that you've created a new physics.

What will be the effect on the moon if we use it's gravitational energy to provide all the electricity that the world needs?

What will be the long term effect of this?

How much worse than climate change will this problem be?
Everything I'm talking about has a very simple explanation with the help of traditional physics. I am not adding anything new. Physics was created not by me and not by scientists. Newton spoke about this and repeated Einstein - the most brilliant constructor is nature. Everything around us is created by nature. Nothing new and nothing more than the "author of the universe" a person can never add. It's my opinion. So physics is the only one, just a person has not yet fully figured it out. Does it matter which is more fair - Newton's gravity, or Einstein's gravity? Do you think nature will consult with man how to manage their processes? This is funny. Also, there is no need to talk about gravitational energy - I think that it is not energy) Moreover, it makes no sense to talk about the gravity of the Moon. The long-term effect of such energy generation is absolute neutrality to all natural systems and to the environment in particular. Well, here's a simple example. A traditional generator generates heat - but in order to get it, part of the combusted hydrocarbons, for example, is spent on it. If you change the vectors of electromagnetic fields between the stator and the rotor, the amount of heat generated will decrease as well as the amount of external mechanical energy required to rotate the generator. Isn't this saving resources and improving the environmental component? Maybe the fields rub against each other like an ebonite stick in experiments in physics?) And the most interesting thing is that after Tesla proposed a two-phase generator in his patent from 1888, it turned out to be not enough. But to whom? And why? This is a big question. But even after 1891, when a three-phase alternating current generator was introduced, Tesla drew his drawings. Not all of them have become patents. And in one of his drawings there is an answer to the question of how the generator works, which has a reduced electromagnetic resistance between the stator and the rotor, rotates more easily under load and, accordingly, requires less external mechanical energy, which means it optimizes the issues of raw materials and ecology) Today, a100 years later, we are thinking about the dying corals and the upcoming giant catastrophes. During the industrial revolution, three-phase alternators were indeed the best solution, but now their range of applications can be reduced by 80%. Today it matters at what price electricity is received. This price is life at the expense of their children and future generations. Life on loan - what is the name of one of Remarque's books ...
 
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You are avoiding the questions once again.

Have you built a generator using whatever new driving mechanism you have discovered?

Can you demonstrate sustainable generation?
 
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I'm hesitant to ask, but other than the pure entertainment value, why is this thread still a thing?
I will answer you why with specific examples and only my opinion. Because most people are intuitively adequate. External conditions and rules over time make them zombified with the help of dogmas and alleged authority. But in fact it is absolutely obvious - the demand for energy is growing, and the real generation mechanism has the opposite effect in the form of habitat destruction. Tomorrow, authors and especially their children will have nowhere to live on planet Earth. The ITER project is physically and scientifically obsolete, it does not solve the problem, and this is already obvious, the efficiency of invested capital investments is zero. The project of offshore wind turbines in the North Sea - there was a mistake, - the wind map has changed and that's it. The hydrogen program - when yesterday even nuclear power plants were recognized as environmentally friendly for the transition period - is bullshit. It will also be a failure, as before wind turbines and solar panels did not solve anything. Electric vehicles - read the interview with the head of Toyota corporation - he is right - the effect on the climate is no less, and even more - the whole problem is in primary generation. A well-known interview with Bill Gates - all "green" energy is cyclical, without grids and powerwall, its efficiency is zero. And so on and so forth. And most importantly, the resistance of the planet Earth is intensifying - tomorrow not only hurricanes will sweep you away - the issue will be relevant about food security. Despite the fact that for the last 50 years everything has been done exclusively according to science! The glaciers practically melted, the viruses came, the corals almost died. Science is ready to explain where it made a mistake? Self-serving morons, damn it.
 
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You are avoiding the questions once again.

Have you built a generator using whatever new driving mechanism you have discovered?

Can you demonstrate sustainable generation?
"You are avoiding the questions once again". I never get away from the answer - a counter-question was previously asked - introduce yourself, who are you, where are you from and for what purpose are you interested in the details? Depending on whether this information is of mutual interest, I will answer you. Who you are? What exactly is your interest? Are we interested in each other? If yes, we will separately agree on a demonstration of the device not on the forum pages. What exactly do you not understand in my answer? I respect your approach and position - please respect my approach. For example - the planet Earth has apparently warned that it will not allow more people to behave like pigs in its guests. But unfortunately, these small, insignificant entities are more busy measuring "intelligence", language, money and power - who has more .... Well, aren't they morons?
 
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Do you remember Nietzsche's quote "do not eat with pigs from the same trough"? Nothing has changed since the time of Diogenes - now you can also walk with a sign on your chest "looking for a man" and with a torch in your hand during the day) It makes no sense to talk with water about the mechanism for storing information - water knows physics better than people)
 
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There is another side of the coin. Venezuela, Syria, North Africa, Iran and so on. They are all united by dictatorship and hydrocarbons. The reincarnated Hitler supplies hydrocarbons to Europe, China and other countries. Where does he spend money? To arm and maintain their own dictatorship. Who pays for this madness? End-user. Why? They have no alternative - financial grids win this market segment. Only autonomous generation that is economically beneficial for the consumer (non-cyclical, cheap, environmentally friendly and affordable at initial costs with a quick payback period) can change the situation. Minus one consumer from a grids. Minus a million consumers from a grids. Etc. Help me figure it out - which source of autonomous generation can I use to disconnect from the grids and at the same time it would be economically profitable for me? Please advise?
 
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The three-phase variable generator has remained the only model on the planet Earth market since 1891 for two reasons only. 1.It is ideal for the operation of electric motors. 2. Three phases give zero. Therefore, it is ideal for grids and long-distance transmission. Today, technology has advanced significantly and analysis of consumption segments gives a clear picture - how much is consumed by industry, and how much by household consumers. For a household consumer in the operation of household appliances, lighting and heat generation, such a current is not the only acceptable source. Moreover, the losses on its generation are significantly superior to alternative methods.
 
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I'm hesitant to ask, but other than the pure entertainment value, why is this thread still a thing?

Entertainment and to see what other conspiracies @Electricity can tie to this nonexistent invention.

Therefore, it is ideal for grids and long-distance transmission.

Nope, most long and all very long distance transmission is DC
 
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Nope, most long and all very long distance transmission is DC
Underwater, yes - because of induction. The UK grid is all AC, as is all of the above-ground European grid.

@Electricity - if you want a manufacturer to buy your idea (and almost certainly make you very rich in the process) you must have a patent.

The people I would place you with have done this sort of thing before and they always start with a patent. I have seen them buy an entire factory and then close it down and pay everybody off just to get at one patent for a better frictionless bearing. But without that patent, the factory would have been worthless.
 
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Underwater, yes - because of induction. The UK grid is all AC, as is all of the above-ground European grid.

There are plenty of HVDC cables running over land, take a look at China, Africa and America for examples. The main benefit is connecting separate grids, but as the UK operates as a single grid an internal DC connection is less useful - especially with widely distributed, relatively small scale generation.

There have been plans for a European Super Grid for a while, this would be HVDC if it ever happens.
 
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It's been a while since I dealt with this stuff, but I seem to remember that the US and Canada are divided into separate regions that are high-voltage DC connected. 700kV I think - something like that. (I did a feasibility study on some wind-power projects and mugged up on grids and transmission, but that was ages ago.)
 
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It's been a while since I dealt with this stuff, but I seem to remember that the US and Canada are divided into separate regions that are high-voltage DC connected. 700kV I think - something like that. (I did a feasibility study on some wind-power projects and mugged up on grids and transmission, but that was ages ago.)
could you tell me what kind of wind turbine designs you were involved in? Power, size, geography?
 
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Underwater, yes - because of induction. The UK grid is all AC, as is all of the above-ground European grid.

@Electricity - if you want a manufacturer to buy your idea (and almost certainly make you very rich in the process) you must have a patent.

The people I would place you with have done this sort of thing before and they always start with a patent. I have seen them buy an entire factory and then close it down and pay everybody off just to get at one patent for a better frictionless bearing. But without that patent, the factory would have been worthless.
Fine! Correct understanding! Exactly! could you tell me - who specifically could be interested in such a patent?
 
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Thanks for the link, apparently that's the EQ guy. I did an EQ test and scored 100% - shows how pointless online tests are.

This is the source of causes of the ebb and flow and it can be used in another design in order to obtain a positive effect and useful energy.

So what is this source? You talked a lot about ebbs and flows and tides, but apparently, it's not gravity. It's not wind or solar. It's not hydrocarbons.

Exactly! could you tell me - who specifically could be interested in such a patent?

EDF, Centrica, Engie, Shell, BP, Enel, Engie, Eon, Iberdrola, etc. The list goes on and they've all got billions to spend.

What specifically do you have that they might want?
 
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Thanks for the link, apparently that's the EQ guy. I did an EQ test and scored 100% - shows how pointless online tests are.



So what is this source? You talked a lot about ebbs and flows and tides, but apparently, it's not gravity. It's not wind or solar. It's not hydrocarbons.



EDF, Centrica, Engie, Shell, BP, Enel, Engie, Eon, Iberdrola, etc. The list goes on and they've all got billions to spend.

What specifically do you have that they might want?
I'm not fluent in English. But the problem is that two interlocutors must be able not only to know the traditional dogmas, but also to admit the possibility of thinking independently. Do you remember Einstein's interview where he told how he imagined himself flying on a rocket faster than the speed of light? And after that he asked himself the question - what will happen to that ray of light that cannot catch up with it?

There are clear signs in psychology of the behavior of a person is trying to manipulate against the background of his own flawed personal characteristics, which he may not even know about himself. One of the first is an attempt to belittle what the interlocutor is talking about, rely on traditional solutions available, or simply lies based on illiteracy, but backed up by the authority of a third party.

Therefore, if you want specifics, let's talk about only one link of a very specific practical experiment. The problem is that if you don’t feel it with your own hands and see it with your own eyes, it immediately seems impossible.

But I affirm - I have such a device on my desk. I will provide much more detailed information to any interested person in practical implementation. In the meantime, let's focus on a comparative analysis. At the same time - the numbers do not matter - the power of the device can be from 1 kW to 1000 kW and more. The principle that is used inside is important.

One generator is traditional - which is widely used in hydroelectric power plants, wind turbines, thermal power plants and so on. Yes - and it is important not to forget - do not immediately mentally connect this device to grids! Connect it mentally immediately to the consumer. The power of this generator is 5 kW. To rotate it at full power, a force of 100 Newton meters is required. It doesn't matter what this force is created by - wind, water, atom or hydrocarbons - in the end it is a force on the shaft. And the second generator - the same parameters. But the effort that is required to rotate it and obtain a power rating of 50 Newton meters. Thus, we have a difference in the required effort to obtain 5 kW. This is part of the savings that allows you to make the starting threshold for a windmill lower, lower the wind speed to operate in nominal mode, use blades of a smaller diameter or save hydrocarbon consumption, and so on. That's just not necessary to immediately go to the efficiency! Here is a separate question! For example, the efficiency of a generator operating without load is zero. When you connect the load and measure all the parameters in different modes of operation of the generator and different loads, you get numbers. So there is no need to average these numbers! Because, the average figures are the manipulation and misleading of the consumer!

It is necessary to make an honest schedule and look at the performance of a particular device in all operating modes. It is not necessary for the generator to make an average efficiency and prove that it cannot be better! Anyone who has not really worked with generators knows everything only on the basis of textbooks - he will never understand what it is about and what real indicators are present in such a procedure! It is necessary to measure everything - from the exact dynamic load in different modes and power indicators to the amount of heat generated.

In order for this to stop being a discussion of a theoretical discussion, it is necessary for an interested person to learn a drawing of such a generator, assemble it and test it in a certified laboratory! Then compare the numbers with traditionally used generators. The result will be immediately the answer to all possible questions! No other variants of theoretical disputes make sense. And this applies only to the generator - but it is precisely the key to energy independence ...

What exactly do you think is missing here? What specifically do you think is not detailed? But since this is a business forum like ... - those who did not hold generators in their hands and did not carry out all of the above actions with them will not even understand what its advantage is and where, and how to use it! For all the time, only one person wrote - let's produce such generators! Here he seems to have worked with generators and understands the essence of the issue.
 
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Here are just three parameters of the traditional generator (1) and the proposed (2) with a power of 5 kW.
1- Dimensions 510x270x345 mm. Weight - 80 kg. Nominal force - 102 Nm
2- Dimensions 370x250x255 mm. Weight - 38 kg. Nominal force - 70 Nm
In the video below, you can see how a 5 kW generator is loaded with 5 bulbs of 200 watts each and what kind of hand force is needed to activate amperes in the circuit by female arm.
For the purity of the experiment, it is only necessary to assemble the device from parts made on high-quality equipment and scroll it in a certified laboratory to obtain all the parameters in full. It's all.
 
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The video just shows unsustained generation. Nobody doubts you can do this. The question everyone is asking is: what is the motive force for the generator? Without this your invention and patents are worthless.
 
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You are far more eloquent than many of us and if English is not your first language, I sincerely commend you for how you manage it. The problem is it is not necessary two hundred words could easily be subbed down to far simpler to understand more concise text, we would understand better, it’s far, far too flowery.

on the test front, why is a female arm important. If you are winding by hand it is, but you were using a power tool, so surely clamping the tool, or just holding it still is the key. There is an initial torque but is that important?

looking back, all this faffing about is because our advice to your initial question was if you have invented something, that is truly new, or has innovative modifications to existing devices, patent it. You indicated you wanted to generate funding to develop and market it. We then asked for details about the marvellous invention.

your response was that you didn’t want to patent it because then it’s operation would be public, and you wont reveal any of the useful detail.

We then spar around your idea and get nowhere, exactly the same as we believe we have done previously. We are making no progress at all.
 
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You want the Byre to share his history (quite a successful one) but you refuse to share any information at all. You'e excellent at hyperbole, very thin on detail.
Success? What is a successful career??? For someone, this is the number of likes on YouTube. For others, it is the amount of money in the account. And for the third - it is an opportunity to be healthy, walk, see, breathe. This is too relative a category. When Mr. Tesla was found dead in a hotel room with only a dove on the windowsill - was his "career" successful? He didn't tell me, nor did he tell you. But the fact that the further development of energy has become detrimental to the entire population of the Earth is a clear confirmation you can see outside the window today, and the cries of fighters for the environment are saturated with lies and the desire for personal achievements without a results of their struggle. Didn't Gretta in her interview personally and publicly admit that the achievement of her empty verbiage and rallies was a big ZERO?
 
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Sorry - I didn't realise you were one of those
But the fact that the further development of energy has become detrimental to the entire population of the Earth is a clear confirmation you can see outside the window today,
Your belief is an indication you are not somebody I personally can communicate. On a mission, blinkered and selective thinking. I can't do that. It explains why you talk but never listen.
 
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Sorry - I didn't realise you were one of those

Your belief is an indication you are not somebody I personally can communicate. On a mission, blinkered and selective thinking. I can't do that. It explains why you talk but never listen.
I am one of myself! And there is not a single asshole (fool, buffoon, jerk, moron, douche, nitwit, sucker, dunce, dork) who has the right to judge another person! Everything I can tell you I have already said. There is no point in talking anymore for three reasons. 1. You know all this. Do you see the sun? Do you feel the wind? Do you hear the sound of rain? It's like Malevich's square - someone considers his work nonsense, and someone pays millions for such work. 2. The second reason is that there is a good video. This video can be interesting to anyone at any age. This video answers all questions of course when a person has brains. 3. If you are not ready to see what is the advantage of the proposed generator - does it make sense to move on to the second part of the conversation - what design rotates it?
 
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Your point three is the key to everything. Doesn’t matter how efficient the generator, if the motive force is not of the same efficiency the whole thing is pointless. All you have to do without any elaboration is tell anyone how you plan to drive the generator.
 
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In order for this to stop being a discussion of a theoretical discussion, it is necessary for an interested person to learn a drawing of such a generator, assemble it and test it in a certified laboratory! Then compare the numbers with traditionally used generators. The result will be immediately the answer to all possible questions! No other variants of theoretical disputes make sense. And this applies only to the generator - but it is precisely the key to energy independence .
My dear Mr @Electricity , you still do not understand!

You must stop thinking like an engineer and start thinking like a business person. The people who make decisions about investing in your invention or in any other invention are not engineers. They employ engineers and some of them may even have engineering degrees, along with their MBAs and their PhDs, but they are first and foremost business people.

I've told you what they (and I) will expect you to do - to get a patent.

They have to have something they can buy. They want a thing they can own, protect and exploit. Your job is to come up with the thing and patent that thing. They then can add their market reach and investment funds and their engineers and factories to turn your thing into profits.

But they have to be able to buy that thing. They cannot buy an idea. They cannot buy a theory. They cannot buy an argument or a discussion. They need a thing that they can buy.

In the engineering business, that thing is called a patent. Get one!
 
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I'm not fluent in English.
Your mastery of English is pretty good

Your mastery of engineering/ physics may be good - I'm not qualified to comment

Your mastery of business is poor.

Your mastery of communication and negotiation (whatever the language) is non existent.

Until you address the last one, you will forever be going around in circles
 
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On the Apprentice and Dragons Den, the common question is "Do you have a patent?" and "Who owns the intellectual property?" There are deals on the table and investment until people start to be awkward on this matter. Somebody about to get what they ask for suddenly decides they cannot answer, or they gibber and go around in circles. Then they get a direct question. "Have you got a patent, yes or no?" Then it falls apart. The frequency comments is that you don't have a business, you have an idea.
 
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Do you see electricity? Look at it. No electrons run anywhere) Neither forward nor backward. Take a long whip and wave it. The amplitude will decrease as the vibration propagates. But this is just the foundation. The rest is formed in the field around the conductor. Look at these fields - does it make sense to be so entangled in the generator so that part of the external mechanical energy is spent exclusively on overcoming this resistance and then turning it into heat? Nope. Unravel the fields and you'll get a generator with a light spin.

Any apple you raise above your head has potential energy. Let go of it, and this energy will be released, transforming into another form. Energy never arises from nothing and energy never disappears without a trace. The life cycle of any space system is determined by its potential energy. The only question is what forms of this energy do you know? Take one of these forms and convert it to electricity - it doesn't have to be coal or an atom, does it? You have already learned how to use the sun and wind - but is this the last thing you can use? I think that spring cataclysms will push you to leave your comfort zone and make you think. As the wise American Indian said - you can never dine by what you call money ...

I have patents that may be the subject of a sale and purchase transaction. And there are additionally prepared patent applications, the content of which with a probability of 99.9% you will not find in any patent database. Who wants to study all these documents and test the products? Only one question - what is my part of the interest in such a deal? You correctly gave me a ZERO rating in business. Need to study. Therefore, now I understand - in such a deal there should be my interest? Right?
 
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If we talk about business, let's talk about business. The desire to see materials in patent databases will give you what? Only two points - food for thought (because you will not build devices! - patents were issued even for something that is not a complete set!) and my personal data - which is also useless to you. That is, in fact, it will not give you anything useful. You need those documents that have not yet been submitted - in which the complete set. But these documents can only be submitted in two countries - the UK and the USA. It is in these countries that today there are no patents and no protection of intellectual property, especially in full implementation. Hence the question - the question about business - maybe someone has a desire to become a co-author of these patents? How to continue to do business with this is a separate conversation - in the presence of protected intellectual property, it will be enough just to present a working kit at the exhibition. This is the disposition, gentlemen businessmen. Your advice can be very useful if it also takes into account my interests.

For my part, I am ready to confirm the authenticity of what has been said with a legal contract indicating a full set of legal instruments for both parties in those processes where it has legal force. For example - do you know that the court does not consider disputes about the right of precedence in filing a patent? The only evidence in this matter is the date and time that is recorded when a patent application is received. Thus, if the material presented by me is submitted by you first, I will not have the opportunity to prove my authorship in court. When you talk about business - so talk about business, and not about one small facet of the issue, ignoring the most important ones.
 
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