Spinning content for link building

[DesignerNick]

If people take the time to spin their articles correctly then you can't tell.

Yes, if they just get a bit of software and press spin it will give you shoddy results but if you spin them properly then it is transparent.

 

[JohnnyCash]

Come back in 6 weeks time and tell us then that your quick fix solution is still working.

I've been doing it this way for months, so yes it is still working.

Just to add my twopenneth worth. I write content for such sites as the OPs. My content is 100% unique, blah blah others sales pitch

So thats the issue, you're annoyed that you've been replaced by a php script... I understand now...

You just have to provide unique, interesting and well written content that is relevant and that people actually want to read.

Lies.

However Google are far from stupid and once the site comes to their notice, which it will in time, they will not only take it from its top spot in the Google rankings but they will penalise it for a period of their choosing. So that no matter what you do to your site, it will stay at the bottom of the search results for quite a while afterwards.

More self serving lies.


Its must be a bit of a blow to the self confidence when you are replaced by a few lines of code, but hey thats technology for you. No need to spout a lot of nonsense because you have a bee in your bonnet about it...

 

[LisaV]

Hmm, sounds to me more like it is you who has a wasp down your pants.

I'm pleased you've found something that works better than real writers. I really am. My cynicism says it will fail, but of course you won't come back to let us know about that will you?

With an attitude like yours however, you will probably go far in business, just don't let anyone question your methods or motives and take as many short cuts as you can.... and don't hold back from telling people what you really think of them, I can see your politeness may hold you back.

 

[fisicx]

Why do you need to spin articles?

A well written article published in the right place often ranks well and generates visitors to a site. I'm sure article spinning works for some people but it just isn't necessary, there are far more effective ways to get converting traffic to a website.

 

[DesignerNick]

Why do you need to spin articles?

It is just so you can use the same article, without duplicate content. If you take a well written article, take your time using spin syntax then you then get 100, 200 articles that you can use that pass copyscape.

Spinning can also be used to prevent duplicate content on your own sites which is why I mostly use it.

 

[terryuk]

for the time involved spinning an article you can outsource article creation for peanuts if you know where to look.

A spun article can be generated in seconds

Why do you need to spin articles?

A well written article published in the right place often ranks well and generates visitors to a site. I'm sure article spinning works for some people but it just isn't necessary, there are far more effective ways to get converting traffic to a website.

In my opinion, if your hosting your posts or articles else where at a mass amount the level of work and money required for generating these articles is very high, hence the reason why I would mass generate articles which is quicker and much cheaper.

Obviously some debate about the quality of spun articles but if you had your copy writer 'touch up' 100 articles compared to writing 100 articles I know which'd be quicker.

 

[Chunkford]

A spun article can be generated in seconds

What about the time to set it up?

 

[terryuk]

What about the time to set it up?

My setup.. seconds

 

[fisicx]

It is just so you can use the same article, without duplicate content. If you take a well written article, take your time using spin syntax then you then get 100, 200 articles that you can use that pass copyscape.

This still doesn't answer the question: WHY do you need to spin articles? I'm assuming it's to generate links (judging by previous posts which indicate the content will be invisible) but surely the aim is to generate visitors to a site. A single well ranked article on your own site will do that, no need to spin anything.

 

[Chunkford]

Interesting. So you don't go through the original article and add the spun words then?..... [and|or|how|when|who]

 

[terryuk]

This still doesn't answer the question: WHY do you need to spin articles? I'm assuming it's to generate links (judging by previous posts which indicate the content will be invisible) but surely the aim is to generate visitors to a site. A single well ranked article on your own site will do that, no need to spin anything.

Yeah but that's 1 site / article at a time.. what about when you have 20, 50 sites, 100 sites etc?

Interesting. So you don't go through the original article and add the spun words then?..... [and|or|how|when|who]

No.. i do it a few different ways depending on quality of article I want.. and where its posted to.

 

[Chunkford]

A single well ranked article on your own site will do that, no need to spin anything.

They're using these on other web properties, not on their own site. Well at least i hope not.

 

[fisicx]

They're using these on other web properties, not on their own site. Well at least i hope not.

That's what I thought (posting on article sites) but then:

Yeah but that's 1 site / article at a time.. what about when you have 20, 50 sites, 100 sites etc?

I'd argue here that if you are trying to get 100 spun articles on 100 different sites you own are not working efficiently. Wouldn't it be better to have 1 site and get all the traffic instead of spreading yourself thinly. If the 100 sites aren't related then the spun articles are going to have minimal effect (since they have a common theme).

 

[DesignerNick]

It really depends what you want to spin and why?

If you have a site with loads of pages that may get duplicate content you just spin a little bit so it isn't seen as duplicate.

You can spin an article and submit it to article directories, blogs etc without it being duplicate content.

 

[terryuk]

That's what I thought (posting on article sites) but then:

I'd argue here that if you are trying to get 100 spun articles on 100 different sites you own are not working efficiently. Wouldn't it be better to have 1 site and get all the traffic instead of spreading yourself thinly. If the 100 sites aren't related then the spun articles are going to have minimal effect (since they have a common theme).

I tend to spread my work out, and 100 spun articles on 100 different sites could be linking to 1 website or 100 websites depending how much I spread myself out . 100 blog posts on topic do have effect.

 

[JohnnyCash]

I'm pleased you've found something that works better than real writers. I really am. My cynicism says it will fail, but of course you won't come back to let us know about that will you?

Okay, I'll rank perfumes.org.uk for "perfumes" and I'll only use spun content to do it. Will that satisfy you? Not exactly a very easy term to rank for...

With an attitude like yours however, you will probably go far in business, just don't let anyone question your methods or motives and take as many short cuts as you can.... and don't hold back from telling people what you really think of them, I can see your politeness may hold you back.

Why shouldn't I take shortcuts? I'm not putting up scaffolding or repairing gas boilers... hardly likely to have any real consequences is it?

If you don't like my attitude, thats fine. Doesn't make you any less wrong though

 

[RadiusBPO]

Okay, I'll rank perfumes.org.uk for "perfumes" and I'll only use spun content to do it. Will that satisfy you? Not exactly a very easy term to rank for...

I wouldn't bother, you current results are good enough to warrant respect.

 

[fisicx]

I tend to spread my work out, and 100 spun articles on 100 different sites could be linking to 1 website or 100 websites depending how much I spread myself out . 100 blog posts on topic do have effect.

What effect do you mean? An increase in ranking or more traffic?
I'm not saying don't spin articles, it's just that the inference in the thread is that this is a really effective way of doing something without ever defining what the outcome is. Because article sites are constantly being downgraded (because of all the spinning and general detritus) more article need to be spun to keep the status quo. On the other hand a well constructed marketing campain (including SEO) will have a longer lasting and more permanent result for most of websites.

 

[JohnnyCash]

The outcome would be more traffic. This would happen because the search engines see the backlinks and rank your own sites higher - the traffic wouldn't be coming from the articles themselves, they would be coming from search engines straight to your site.

 

[DesignerNick]

What about if you bought 4 blog posts on the same subject? You could spin them so that you have 4 articles on the same subject that can be used on the blog posts

 

[terryuk]

What effect do you mean? An increase in ranking or more traffic?
I'm not saying don't spin articles, it's just that the inference in the thread is that this is a really effective way of doing something without ever defining what the outcome is. Because article sites are constantly being downgraded (because of all the spinning and general detritus) more article need to be spun to keep the status quo. On the other hand a well constructed marketing campain (including SEO) will have a longer lasting and more permanent result for most of websites.

I'm just talking about link building.. and agreed for traffic I wouldn't go giving the editor a spun article.

Yeah article directories, blogs there are lots of resources online to post your content, and obviously they will be downgraded eventually but in comparison to posting blog comments or the likes, it's a good way to get relevant links. Spinning just makes it a whole lot quicker. Fortunately, I don't look at article spinning as a one click solution to get backlinks .

 

[fisicx]

If you are trying to get a really competitive keyword ranked then spinning can be part of your strategy but for most people it's just not necessary. Niche sites can easily rank well for all sorts of long tail (converting) keywords without any of these tactics.

Many people reading this thread will jump on the spinning bandwagon and expect lots of instant results but it just don't work that way. If everybody adopted article spinning as a link building tool then the results will cancel each other out.

This is exactly what happened to directory submissions, blog commenting, social bookmarking and so on. The search engines eventually catch up and all you efforts come to naught. I have no doubt it is working for you at the moment but I'm not convinced it's a great long term strategy.

 

[terryuk]

If you are trying to get a really competitive keyword ranked then spinning can be part of your strategy but for most people it's just not necessary. Niche sites can easily rank well for all sorts of long tail (converting) keywords without any of these tactics.

Many people reading this thread will jump on the spinning bandwagon and expect lots of instant results but it just don't work that way. If everybody adopted article spinning as a link building tool then the results will cancel each other out.

This is exactly what happened to directory submissions, blog commenting, social bookmarking and so on. The search engines eventually catch up and all you efforts come to naught. I have no doubt it is working for you at the moment but I'm not convinced it's a great long term strategy.

I'm not telling people to spin articles am I now? I don't disagree with niche sites, they work well and I don't know what you would consider to be competitive?

Directory submissions, social bookmarking, blog comments all work just fine. and Just as well I'm light years ahead then

 

[LisaV]

I'm assuming OP that you are being paid for such good promotion of this tool?

If you want to spin articles then that's fine and dandy for you, but as you posted on an open forum I thought I would give my opinion on it. You may think it's wrong as is your entitlement, but nevertheless I assert the right to have opinions and I can at least voice them in a way that is polite.

Having looked at your first post and the link to the medical site, the test articles you did all sound very 'samey'. The wording may have changed but the style is exactly the same. It's not witty or enthusiastic and would not, as a visitor, grab my interest at all.

However if you are merely playing for high SEO then perhaps you have a point. Perhaps that is your main objective? But what about keeping the visitor once they are there? For instance how long does the average visitor stay on your site? Seconds? Do they click on other links in the site?

You seem to be very convinced of this tool. However I wonder if this would suit all site owners. Some want articles that can connect with their visitor, interest them, keep them browsing through the site and make them laugh. I don't think there is a tool for that.

So if you want merely to generate a lot of visitors in a short space of time then perhaps this tool will get a high enough rating to do that. But I still think that given the fact that the style of writing does not differ at all, it will only be short-term. To attract loyal customers, my opinion is that you need human writers.

'Tis just my opinion however, take it or leave it. I've a feeling you'll do the latter Johnny

 

[I, Brian]

Does article spinning work? Sure. As do most link building methods to different degrees.

The question is for how long it works - because once you start ranking for anything relatively competitive, you can be assured that your chances of disgruntled competitors reporting you for link spamming will continually increased.

And then, at some point, one of Google's anti-spam team is going to be forced to look at your website and make a judgement call as to whether your link profile is actually spammy or not.

For those with long-term business goals, that's going to hit hard. However, many people using automated methods for rankings, also have a stack of disposable domains they roll through to keep the process going on a short-term profits basis.

Like directory submissions and bookmarks, article writing is probably fine as a supplementary link building strategy.

However, any site whose rankings are based entirely on one strategy only can and have been cleared out of the index. Whatever the counter-claims, it is clearly an attempt to manipulate Google's ranking algorithm, and Google do not like to see that overtly done.

Just a general suggestion for this thread to keep link building balanced - remember, at the end of the day, perfect link building attempts to emulate natural linking patterns for a site profile.

And Google has long been developing tools to automatically detect and devalue artificial linking patterns, and has a big team of human reviewers to follow up after.

Just a 2c heads up.

 

[DesignerNick]

I laugh when people think they get their post or content on some high traffic portal.

Such as eventdomain.co.uk? :redface: I still don't think you know what anybody else is talking about? Why would articles be prized or why would you care where they are if they had a backlink there? If you read the posts, nobody says that you will get traffic from the links on the site, just a bit of a boost in the Search Engine Rankings.

The OP was posting asking about spinning to help with link building which works. If you do a crappy job with the spun article then it will look shocking, won't make sense and will look spammy so won't get accepted.

If you take your time and do a proper job with the article with some structure and making sure that each variant makes sense then the article won't look at all like spam.

As above, Article Submission is no way a sole link building strategy is one of the parts though but I don't think Johnny or anybody was saying just by using this it will get you ranked for competitive terms but it does help.

I think a lot of it has been taken out of context by people who don't know why Article Spinning can be useful. I know for a fact if I needed 20 articles I would either write one or pay for one to be written and then spin it. I don't get paid to say that The Best Spinner is good, I say it is good because it is genuinely an awesome bit of software to have if you know how to use it properly.

Yes, I could outsource it to Taiwan to have 20 written but for the quality I would get I may as well just randomise some words.

 

[eventdomain]

Yeah, that whole SEO thing and trying to get your site to the top of the rankings is a mugs game. Maybe you should try it as it might get your site some more traffic.

Being such an expert on the whole SEO game though you would know about using Meta Titles on all of your pages

Again, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about before posting. You are telling people who use it with positive results that it doesn't work.

Yeah, I'll do that, but I fancy a few more finalist awards first though...

 

[DesignerNick]

Yeah, I'll do that, but I fancy a few more finalist awards first though...

Whatever makes you happy, I am not sure if that was a dig or I was meant to be envious of a bit of paper saying you have been nominated for a 2 bit award.

If you were to spend a bit more time working on your website and optimising it and listening to what people say other than bragging about award nominations and being in the local paper, you could spend your time making your website better

I was just trying to help by saying if you optimise you will get a lot more traffic from the longtails but you have been nominated for awards so you know better than everybody else...again.

You should read what people say and why they say it before commenting and saying you know best, you could learn a lot.

 

[DesignerNick]

I think people are glossing over the questions and mixing up the ansers that have been raised in different parts of the thread

1. Should you spin articles at all?
2. If you do think you should spin, what quality level is needed?
3. Is the tool up to the job as defined in part 2
4. If the tool is partially up to the job, how much extra intervention is needed (hence my dying of boredom comment when referencing 1000 spun articles)
5. Once you have a pile of articles - spun or not, where are they best placed?

The Software is just as good as the person using it. If the user wants it to automatically spin the article then the outcome will be awful but on the other hand if the user takes their time ensuring the outcome will be decent then it will be fine.

Some people aren't bothered if they make sense and just bang out 100 articles that look stupid and don't make sense. I am personally a bit too picky when it comes to things like that so make sure that the finished articles will make sense as well as the spelling being correct for the target audience.

Once you have set up the article with the syntax you can pretty much make thousands of articles within seconds.

 

[louandel]

why not just write 4 pages of great unique content. We dont want the internet filled up with this crap, we dont want to read crrap, even if you get a visitor, if the content is crap, they will go elsewhere

This is so true. The first rule of SEO. If the content sucks people leave.
You can get people coming to your site but if what they find their is rubbish they dont stay and you don't sell a thing. There is nothing like good quality unique articles with a balanced density of keywords.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

This is so true. The first rule of SEO. If the content sucks people leave.
You can get people coming to your site but if what they find their is rubbish they dont stay and you don't sell a thing. There is nothing like good quality unique articles with a balanced density of keywords.

Another person misses what is being said

The spun content is there to carry links on sites other than your own.

The money site has good quality content. The lesser quality content goes to sites that make their money via contextual advertising, picking up long tail traffic and getting clicks etc.

 

[JohnnyCash]

I'm assuming OP that you are being paid for such good promotion of this tool?

*sigh*, do you even read threads before commenting? The tool isn't for sale, we developed it in house. Its a php script and I posted it in this thread where anyone can use it for free.

If you want to spin articles then that's fine and dandy for you, but as you posted on an open forum I thought I would give my opinion on it. You may think it's wrong as is your entitlement, but nevertheless I assert the right to have opinions and I can at least voice them in a way that is polite.

Sure, and we will start to take your opinion seriously when you read threads before giving said opinion…

Having looked at your first post and the link to the medical site, the test articles you did all sound very 'samey'. The wording may have changed but the style is exactly the same. It's not witty or enthusiastic and would not, as a visitor, grab my interest at all.

I agree that they are samey, but they are textually unique. With the grabbing your interest, you're missing the point completely - they are not meant to be read by you. A couple of hundred "samey" posts have a link in them to my main article. This makes my main article rank. This article will not be spun, but higher quality, written from scratch and well researched. You are not going to see the spun ones at all.

However if you are merely playing for high SEO then perhaps you have a point. Perhaps that is your main objective? But what about keeping the visitor once they are there? For instance how long does the average visitor stay on your site? Seconds? Do they click on other links in the site?

Varies from site to site, but I suspect you still think they're reading the spun content on my site - they're not.

You seem to be very convinced of this tool. However I wonder if this would suit all site owners. Some want articles that can connect with their visitor, interest them, keep them browsing through the site and make them laugh. I don't think there is a tool for that.

I agree, there isn't a tool that can create high quality content for your own site, that needs doing the old fashioned way. The spun content is merely a method to get your good content ranking well.

'Tis just my opinion however, take it or leave it. I've a feeling you'll do the latter Johnny

Since you've completely failed to understand the thread and the concept behind it, I'm afraid I'm going to have to do the latter for now

 

[Gedge]

Just a quick reply to say this is a great thread for 2 reasons. Firstly, I will be testing these article spinners right away. I'll just have to find some good places to post them. Finally, eventdomain's Youtube video just completed my life. Got some respect for you for posting it but that really is in no way beneficial for your credibility. I'm not trying to get at you but we all have our skills and weaknesses and you should have realised that you just are not charismatic enough at the moment to be on film.

Gedge

 

[louandel]

Another person misses what is being said

The spun content is there to carry links on sites other than your own.

The money site has good quality content. The lesser quality content goes to sites that make their money via contextual advertising, picking up long tail traffic and getting clicks etc.

Nonsense. I havent missed the point at all. All content if it links back to your site is a reflection of your brand. If that content is sub standard- doesn't make sense, or is poor copy that will reflect on your brand. And even if the keywords get the person to the site who is likely to click further to the site when faced with rubbish??

louandel

 

[RedEvo]

Nonsense. I havent missed the point at all. All content if it links back to your site is a reflection of your brand. If that content is sub standard- doesn't make sense, or is poor copy that will reflect on your brand. And even if the keywords get the person to the site who is likely to click further to the site when faced with rubbish??

louandel

The spun content doesn't rank, it simply exists and nobody ever sees it. All it does is satisfy Google's 'inadequate' algorithm. It's a sad state of affairs brought about by man's inhumanity to man

d

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Nonsense. I havent missed the point at all. All content if it links back to your site is a reflection of your brand. If that content is sub standard- doesn't make sense, or is poor copy that will reflect on your brand. And even if the keywords get the person to the site who is likely to click further to the site when faced with rubbish??

louandel

Yep, you missed what was said and is being said, this is the second time.

'the person' is not going to read these articles, they are there to get link juice to the main site or possibly a site that links to the main site.

You have also completey changed the argument to the one I replied to. you didn't mention 'reflection on the brand' your original argument was that it would not convert.

All I see in this thread are people arguing about stuff just for the sake of arguing, as it is clear that many (not saying you), have not read the thread and/or not grasped what the purpose and proposal was/is.

 

[OldWelshGuy]

The spun content doesn't rank, it simply exists and nobody ever sees it. All it does is satisfy Google's 'inadequate' algorithm. It's a sad state of affairs brought about by man's inhumanity to man

d

Sadly that is the truth, and we have been saying it for years. Google wants top quality content, but if you build a top quality content site it ignores you UNLESS you get links into that site. So to satisfy the algorithm that wants to deliver top quality content, site owners need to populate the web with sub standard content. It is a situation brought about by Google themselves.

 

[RedEvo]

Sadly that is the truth, and we have been saying it for years. Google wants top quality content, but if you build a top quality content site it ignores you UNLESS you get links into that site. So to satisfy the algorithm that wants to deliver top quality content, site owners need to populate the web with sub standard content. It is a situation brought about by Google themselves.

I agree but it's a mute point as to whether it's Google's fault. They have said if people link to content it indicates quality so people have abused that. I'm still waiting for a better way of automatically measuring quality and popularity that gets round the inevitable abuse that will happen.

Yes Google should have (and did) realise their algo was open to abuse but I'm not sure it follows that the mess we have is their fault. It's a philosophical argument

d

 

[OldWelshGuy]

Yep, I should have worded it that the problem has been brought about by the heavy dependency of their algorithm on links from other sites, resulting in the quality of a site not being the deciding factor directly.

'their fault' was too simplistic, I agree

 

[RadiusBPO]

I agree but it's a mute point as to whether it's Google's fault. They have said if people link to content it indicates quality so people have abused that. I'm still waiting for a better way of automatically measuring quality and popularity that gets round the inevitable abuse that will happen.

Yes Google should have (and did) realise their algo was open to abuse but I'm not sure it follows that the mess we have is their fault. It's a philosophical argument

d

Their search results are still mostly good though. I'd say the main mess with Google is their own recent tweets / videos / news / places messing things up with content not related to the original search.

With a system based on off page content or on page content there will always be ways to exploit it. Before automation it was only people with big budgets buying links, paying for blog posts, commissioning professional writers and PR teams. With automation it levels the playing field.