Spinning content for link building

[eventdomain]

Yet again, a display of a complete lack of understanding of what is being discussed...

I think what you are doing is great - great for attracting kids who want to steal your content.

No understanding

If they somehow land on one of these spun articles,

No, what happens is, they see the article and think

Oh, this isnt what I wanted, and click off to do another search

The only articles I think are useful are 'How to do something' or those containing tips - but with the huge wealth of info sites now, people just go to those instead. And they wont give you a link as your articles won't be on their radar - eg: your not a professional writer.

See, if I want tips on how to fix my computer, I dont go to an article bank, I'll go to one of the PC websites, that specialise in solely that. So to get your article seen, all those PC wanabee gurus, have to get on those sites, except they wont, as these specialists aren't a free for all link-drop centre.

You wont get on anything decent, you'll be locked-out so fast.....

 

[DesignerNick]

Who said anything about stealing content?

So if you are looking for tips on your computer, you will only read articles by professional writers? Funny that, I would look for articles by people in IT? The same as if I looked for something about my car, I would look for something from a mechanic.

I wouldn't give two ticks if it was a masterpiece of literature, if it helped me I would be happy

Again, you don't actually know what you are talking about You know best though, you are a multiple award winning publisher and all that so who is anybody else to say anything.

Listen to what people like OWG and Johnny are saying, it does work and it does help with SEO if you do it correctly.

 

[MASSEY]

See, if I want tips on how to fix my computer, I dont go to an article bank, I'll go to one of the PC websites, that specialise in solely that.

Most people google before landing on a proper web page. Short of having a site link the auto trader etc and the articles spun will be irrelevant because it's his site he will have ranking not the article.

This is where you are either trolling or are a genuinely confused individual.

 

[leons0133]

Content spinning is a great way to produce multiple unique content from just one article.It’s not going to produce link bait, but it definitely produces readable content good for backlink building with blog networks and article directories

 

[eventdomain]

because it's his site he will have ranking not the article.

Ofcourse...... but you seem to think your basics will somehow help you, and it wont.

Article spinning is dead, and the only ones clutching onto this are the very desperate, the uneducated and the fools. Chasing improved rankings is fairly pointless nowadays, as the rewards are low and sacrifice of effort involved is a mugs game.

SEOing websites is one thing, I agree this helps, but article spinning doesn't, just the effort alone is crazy, never mind anything else. People making out their experts in a subject just so they can knock out another link dropping tool - its insane, and your wasting your time.

The web is already infected with this stuff, people dont read it bcos they know its junk, they know its just desperados doing it for a quick link. No website of quality will bother accepting it - bcos its junk, and any article worth accepting in any specialism has few options as I doubt there's many Electrician websites that have the set-up to post articles in the first place.

Business portals may have an article posting form (but even this will be rare!) but I doubt business portals will want tradesman articles somehow, just purely based on its completely off-target for their readership. Articles are rarely a natural fit, again bcos of subject-blogs, and trying to locate a blog that will fit your article is pointless work, when finding a recip link will be easier. Will still get devalued, but at least you've a chance of some traffic from it.

There are so many ways to get free links, options galore and article spinning is too work-heavy. Why do you think companies have viral linking methods...... the fact the word 'Viral marketing' is used, only shows how much the web has moved on, and your still arguing on forums about articles and how great they are, so it shows how far behind you are compared to many thousands that are successfully doing the viral marketing thing.

 

[eog]

"Chasing improved rankings is fairly pointless nowadays"

I think that says it all.......once again a clueless statement

How is your viral marketing campaign going for event domain? You obviously practice what you preach?

 

[DesignerNick]

Article spinning is dead, and the only ones clutching onto this are the very desperate, the uneducated and the fools. Chasing improved rankings is fairly pointless nowadays, as the rewards are low and sacrifice of effort involved is a mugs game.

Yeah, that whole SEO thing and trying to get your site to the top of the rankings is a mugs game. Maybe you should try it as it might get your site some more traffic.

Being such an expert on the whole SEO game though you would know about using Meta Titles on all of your pages

Again, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about before posting. You are telling people who use it with positive results that it doesn't work.

 

[JohnnyCash]

Honestly, I'm starting to think you're just a troll with these stances you're taking. Either that you're not right in the head...

Article spinning is dead, and the only ones clutching onto this are the very desperate, the uneducated and the fools.

Article spinning in itself is merely a method of creating content. The only thing that matters is what you do with the content. Is link building dead? Writing guest posts? Paying people to host pages of content on their related sites?

Chasing improved rankings is fairly pointless nowadays, as the rewards are low and sacrifice of effort involved is a mugs game.

This must single handedly be the most idiotic thing you've came out with yet. Okay SEO is dead, lets just close the SEO sub forum...

SEOing websites is one thing, I agree this helps, but article spinning doesn't, just the effort alone is crazy, never mind anything else. People making out their experts in a subject just so they can knock out another link dropping tool - its insane, and your wasting your time.

Nonsense.

The web is already infected with this stuff, people dont read it bcos they know its junk, they know its just desperados doing it for a quick link. No website of quality will bother accepting it - bcos its junk, and any article worth accepting in any specialism has few options as I doubt there's many Electrician websites that have the set-up to post articles in the first place.

If you write a good quality article, and spend time then making it unique, you will be able to get good websites to accept it - they won't know its spun in the first place. For the junk places like article directories and spammy blogs, who cares if anyone reads it? It exists to give a back link, nothing more.

Articles are rarely a natural fit, again bcos of subject-blogs, and trying to locate a blog that will fit your article is pointless work, when finding a recip link will be easier. Will still get devalued, but at least you've a chance of some traffic from it.

Finding recip links is easier? Okay once you agree to a recip exchange of blog posts, where is this content going to come from? Can't be spinning of course, because you say thats dead already… For 99% of links, forget direct traffic from them. Thats why your site is failing. A really popular site isn't going to give you a homepage link for free, where it can send a lot of traffic over time. A blog post on a popular site will give you a very short term traffic boost. The real benefit is in getting the link, and ranking your own site to get the very targeted traffic from search engines.

There are so many ways to get free links, options galore and article spinning is too work-heavy. Why do you think companies have viral linking methods...... the fact the word 'Viral marketing' is used, only shows how much the web has moved on, and your still arguing on forums about articles and how great they are, so it shows how far behind you are compared to many thousands that are successfully doing the viral marketing thing.

More nonsense.

 

[Jimmau]

Its a bit dark side the spinning... and the quality is not aliways there... I tried to spin content but by the time I wrote 1 spinned content I could have write 3 or 4 content. Maybe I am just not good at spinning because in english I never tried but in french it can be tricky...

 

[JohnnyCash]

Its a bit dark side the spinning... and the quality is not aliways there... I tried to spin content but by the time I wrote 1 spinned content I could have write 3 or 4 content. Maybe I am just not good at spinning because in english I never tried but in french it can be tricky...

Yes but with spinning content it takes as long to spin 5 copies as it does 500. If you don't need lots of them, then you'd be better writing them all by hand.

 

[Chunkford]

for the time involved spinning an article you can outsource article creation for peanuts if you know where to look.

 

[akirk]

The worrying thing about spinning content - is that it is rather like a sci-fi movie - which is the original - which the fakes is this whole thread just spun content from a parallel forum somewhere else - aaaaggghhh

on a more serious note - two valid but different views:

- spinning content can work - it can build links and send people to a site - it works for the purposes of the website owner - however it starts to mean (as much of this does) that value is ascribed to someone's ability to SEO as much as to their actual content... not ideal

- the ideal for the internet is no duplication / a massive wiki of unique content, all with value - but of course that will never happen - I am sure that we have all done searches where each site we come across in comparing seems to be saying the same thing - and a bright articulate person reading their own language will see a summation of the content ideas / values / points and see those duplicated across spun articles, what-ever the words may say - leading to a disatisfaction with the sites found - at that point the browsing person moves on

- but in reality it works for the sites, and this is a forum on UK business (making money) not on the philosophy of the internet...

Alasdair

 

[LisaV]

Just to add my twopenneth worth. I write content for such sites as the OPs. My content is 100% unique, well researched and contains any keywords or phrases the site owner wants me to add.

Those who seek out my services do so because they want to add interesting and relevant content to their site. For instance I may write a general article on parenting that isn't promoting anything at all, but because it's a good article full of interesting tips and advice, it will get clicks and other sites will link to it, so it does the job of bringing more views to the site and that in turn makes the site stronger.

I have seen spun content and it really really annoys me. The spelling is often atrocious, the grammar is primary level and some of the sentences simply don't make sense. As an ex-teacher I would love to write all over some of them with a red pen and send it back! These articles do the job of pushing the site up to the top of Google for a while, which makes the site owner think that he's stumbled upon a brilliant and completely free way of promoting his site. However Google are far from stupid and once the site comes to their notice, which it will in time, they will not only take it from its top spot in the Google rankings but they will penalise it for a period of their choosing. So that no matter what you do to your site, it will stay at the bottom of the search results for quite a while afterwards.

There is no quick fix to getting to the top of the search engines. It all takes time. You just have to provide unique, interesting and well written content that is relevant and that people actually want to read. Keep doing that and your site will grow organically and will actually be the stronger for it.

Come back in 6 weeks time and tell us then that your quick fix solution is still working.

 

[DesignerNick]

If people take the time to spin their articles correctly then you can't tell.

Yes, if they just get a bit of software and press spin it will give you shoddy results but if you spin them properly then it is transparent.

 

[JohnnyCash]

Come back in 6 weeks time and tell us then that your quick fix solution is still working.

I've been doing it this way for months, so yes it is still working.

Just to add my twopenneth worth. I write content for such sites as the OPs. My content is 100% unique, blah blah others sales pitch

So thats the issue, you're annoyed that you've been replaced by a php script... I understand now...

You just have to provide unique, interesting and well written content that is relevant and that people actually want to read.

Lies.

However Google are far from stupid and once the site comes to their notice, which it will in time, they will not only take it from its top spot in the Google rankings but they will penalise it for a period of their choosing. So that no matter what you do to your site, it will stay at the bottom of the search results for quite a while afterwards.

More self serving lies.


Its must be a bit of a blow to the self confidence when you are replaced by a few lines of code, but hey thats technology for you. No need to spout a lot of nonsense because you have a bee in your bonnet about it...

 

[LisaV]

Hmm, sounds to me more like it is you who has a wasp down your pants.

I'm pleased you've found something that works better than real writers. I really am. My cynicism says it will fail, but of course you won't come back to let us know about that will you?

With an attitude like yours however, you will probably go far in business, just don't let anyone question your methods or motives and take as many short cuts as you can.... and don't hold back from telling people what you really think of them, I can see your politeness may hold you back.

 

[fisicx]

Why do you need to spin articles?

A well written article published in the right place often ranks well and generates visitors to a site. I'm sure article spinning works for some people but it just isn't necessary, there are far more effective ways to get converting traffic to a website.

 

[DesignerNick]

Why do you need to spin articles?

It is just so you can use the same article, without duplicate content. If you take a well written article, take your time using spin syntax then you then get 100, 200 articles that you can use that pass copyscape.

Spinning can also be used to prevent duplicate content on your own sites which is why I mostly use it.

 

[terryuk]

for the time involved spinning an article you can outsource article creation for peanuts if you know where to look.

A spun article can be generated in seconds

Why do you need to spin articles?

A well written article published in the right place often ranks well and generates visitors to a site. I'm sure article spinning works for some people but it just isn't necessary, there are far more effective ways to get converting traffic to a website.

In my opinion, if your hosting your posts or articles else where at a mass amount the level of work and money required for generating these articles is very high, hence the reason why I would mass generate articles which is quicker and much cheaper.

Obviously some debate about the quality of spun articles but if you had your copy writer 'touch up' 100 articles compared to writing 100 articles I know which'd be quicker.

 

[Chunkford]

A spun article can be generated in seconds

What about the time to set it up?

 

[terryuk]

What about the time to set it up?

My setup.. seconds

 

[fisicx]

It is just so you can use the same article, without duplicate content. If you take a well written article, take your time using spin syntax then you then get 100, 200 articles that you can use that pass copyscape.

This still doesn't answer the question: WHY do you need to spin articles? I'm assuming it's to generate links (judging by previous posts which indicate the content will be invisible) but surely the aim is to generate visitors to a site. A single well ranked article on your own site will do that, no need to spin anything.

 

[Chunkford]

Interesting. So you don't go through the original article and add the spun words then?..... [and|or|how|when|who]

 

[terryuk]

This still doesn't answer the question: WHY do you need to spin articles? I'm assuming it's to generate links (judging by previous posts which indicate the content will be invisible) but surely the aim is to generate visitors to a site. A single well ranked article on your own site will do that, no need to spin anything.

Yeah but that's 1 site / article at a time.. what about when you have 20, 50 sites, 100 sites etc?

Interesting. So you don't go through the original article and add the spun words then?..... [and|or|how|when|who]

No.. i do it a few different ways depending on quality of article I want.. and where its posted to.

 

[Chunkford]

A single well ranked article on your own site will do that, no need to spin anything.

They're using these on other web properties, not on their own site. Well at least i hope not.

 

[fisicx]

They're using these on other web properties, not on their own site. Well at least i hope not.

That's what I thought (posting on article sites) but then:

Yeah but that's 1 site / article at a time.. what about when you have 20, 50 sites, 100 sites etc?

I'd argue here that if you are trying to get 100 spun articles on 100 different sites you own are not working efficiently. Wouldn't it be better to have 1 site and get all the traffic instead of spreading yourself thinly. If the 100 sites aren't related then the spun articles are going to have minimal effect (since they have a common theme).

 

[DesignerNick]

It really depends what you want to spin and why?

If you have a site with loads of pages that may get duplicate content you just spin a little bit so it isn't seen as duplicate.

You can spin an article and submit it to article directories, blogs etc without it being duplicate content.

 

[terryuk]

That's what I thought (posting on article sites) but then:

I'd argue here that if you are trying to get 100 spun articles on 100 different sites you own are not working efficiently. Wouldn't it be better to have 1 site and get all the traffic instead of spreading yourself thinly. If the 100 sites aren't related then the spun articles are going to have minimal effect (since they have a common theme).

I tend to spread my work out, and 100 spun articles on 100 different sites could be linking to 1 website or 100 websites depending how much I spread myself out . 100 blog posts on topic do have effect.

 

[JohnnyCash]

I'm pleased you've found something that works better than real writers. I really am. My cynicism says it will fail, but of course you won't come back to let us know about that will you?

Okay, I'll rank perfumes.org.uk for "perfumes" and I'll only use spun content to do it. Will that satisfy you? Not exactly a very easy term to rank for...

With an attitude like yours however, you will probably go far in business, just don't let anyone question your methods or motives and take as many short cuts as you can.... and don't hold back from telling people what you really think of them, I can see your politeness may hold you back.

Why shouldn't I take shortcuts? I'm not putting up scaffolding or repairing gas boilers... hardly likely to have any real consequences is it?

If you don't like my attitude, thats fine. Doesn't make you any less wrong though

 

[RadiusBPO]

Okay, I'll rank perfumes.org.uk for "perfumes" and I'll only use spun content to do it. Will that satisfy you? Not exactly a very easy term to rank for...

I wouldn't bother, you current results are good enough to warrant respect.

 

[fisicx]

I tend to spread my work out, and 100 spun articles on 100 different sites could be linking to 1 website or 100 websites depending how much I spread myself out . 100 blog posts on topic do have effect.

What effect do you mean? An increase in ranking or more traffic?
I'm not saying don't spin articles, it's just that the inference in the thread is that this is a really effective way of doing something without ever defining what the outcome is. Because article sites are constantly being downgraded (because of all the spinning and general detritus) more article need to be spun to keep the status quo. On the other hand a well constructed marketing campain (including SEO) will have a longer lasting and more permanent result for most of websites.

 

[JohnnyCash]

The outcome would be more traffic. This would happen because the search engines see the backlinks and rank your own sites higher - the traffic wouldn't be coming from the articles themselves, they would be coming from search engines straight to your site.

 

[DesignerNick]

What about if you bought 4 blog posts on the same subject? You could spin them so that you have 4 articles on the same subject that can be used on the blog posts

 

[terryuk]

What effect do you mean? An increase in ranking or more traffic?
I'm not saying don't spin articles, it's just that the inference in the thread is that this is a really effective way of doing something without ever defining what the outcome is. Because article sites are constantly being downgraded (because of all the spinning and general detritus) more article need to be spun to keep the status quo. On the other hand a well constructed marketing campain (including SEO) will have a longer lasting and more permanent result for most of websites.

I'm just talking about link building.. and agreed for traffic I wouldn't go giving the editor a spun article.

Yeah article directories, blogs there are lots of resources online to post your content, and obviously they will be downgraded eventually but in comparison to posting blog comments or the likes, it's a good way to get relevant links. Spinning just makes it a whole lot quicker. Fortunately, I don't look at article spinning as a one click solution to get backlinks .

 

[fisicx]

If you are trying to get a really competitive keyword ranked then spinning can be part of your strategy but for most people it's just not necessary. Niche sites can easily rank well for all sorts of long tail (converting) keywords without any of these tactics.

Many people reading this thread will jump on the spinning bandwagon and expect lots of instant results but it just don't work that way. If everybody adopted article spinning as a link building tool then the results will cancel each other out.

This is exactly what happened to directory submissions, blog commenting, social bookmarking and so on. The search engines eventually catch up and all you efforts come to naught. I have no doubt it is working for you at the moment but I'm not convinced it's a great long term strategy.

 

[terryuk]

If you are trying to get a really competitive keyword ranked then spinning can be part of your strategy but for most people it's just not necessary. Niche sites can easily rank well for all sorts of long tail (converting) keywords without any of these tactics.

Many people reading this thread will jump on the spinning bandwagon and expect lots of instant results but it just don't work that way. If everybody adopted article spinning as a link building tool then the results will cancel each other out.

This is exactly what happened to directory submissions, blog commenting, social bookmarking and so on. The search engines eventually catch up and all you efforts come to naught. I have no doubt it is working for you at the moment but I'm not convinced it's a great long term strategy.

I'm not telling people to spin articles am I now? I don't disagree with niche sites, they work well and I don't know what you would consider to be competitive?

Directory submissions, social bookmarking, blog comments all work just fine. and Just as well I'm light years ahead then

 

[LisaV]

I'm assuming OP that you are being paid for such good promotion of this tool?

If you want to spin articles then that's fine and dandy for you, but as you posted on an open forum I thought I would give my opinion on it. You may think it's wrong as is your entitlement, but nevertheless I assert the right to have opinions and I can at least voice them in a way that is polite.

Having looked at your first post and the link to the medical site, the test articles you did all sound very 'samey'. The wording may have changed but the style is exactly the same. It's not witty or enthusiastic and would not, as a visitor, grab my interest at all.

However if you are merely playing for high SEO then perhaps you have a point. Perhaps that is your main objective? But what about keeping the visitor once they are there? For instance how long does the average visitor stay on your site? Seconds? Do they click on other links in the site?

You seem to be very convinced of this tool. However I wonder if this would suit all site owners. Some want articles that can connect with their visitor, interest them, keep them browsing through the site and make them laugh. I don't think there is a tool for that.

So if you want merely to generate a lot of visitors in a short space of time then perhaps this tool will get a high enough rating to do that. But I still think that given the fact that the style of writing does not differ at all, it will only be short-term. To attract loyal customers, my opinion is that you need human writers.

'Tis just my opinion however, take it or leave it. I've a feeling you'll do the latter Johnny

 

[I, Brian]

Does article spinning work? Sure. As do most link building methods to different degrees.

The question is for how long it works - because once you start ranking for anything relatively competitive, you can be assured that your chances of disgruntled competitors reporting you for link spamming will continually increased.

And then, at some point, one of Google's anti-spam team is going to be forced to look at your website and make a judgement call as to whether your link profile is actually spammy or not.

For those with long-term business goals, that's going to hit hard. However, many people using automated methods for rankings, also have a stack of disposable domains they roll through to keep the process going on a short-term profits basis.

Like directory submissions and bookmarks, article writing is probably fine as a supplementary link building strategy.

However, any site whose rankings are based entirely on one strategy only can and have been cleared out of the index. Whatever the counter-claims, it is clearly an attempt to manipulate Google's ranking algorithm, and Google do not like to see that overtly done.

Just a general suggestion for this thread to keep link building balanced - remember, at the end of the day, perfect link building attempts to emulate natural linking patterns for a site profile.

And Google has long been developing tools to automatically detect and devalue artificial linking patterns, and has a big team of human reviewers to follow up after.

Just a 2c heads up.

 

[DesignerNick]

I laugh when people think they get their post or content on some high traffic portal.

Such as eventdomain.co.uk? :redface: I still don't think you know what anybody else is talking about? Why would articles be prized or why would you care where they are if they had a backlink there? If you read the posts, nobody says that you will get traffic from the links on the site, just a bit of a boost in the Search Engine Rankings.

The OP was posting asking about spinning to help with link building which works. If you do a crappy job with the spun article then it will look shocking, won't make sense and will look spammy so won't get accepted.

If you take your time and do a proper job with the article with some structure and making sure that each variant makes sense then the article won't look at all like spam.

As above, Article Submission is no way a sole link building strategy is one of the parts though but I don't think Johnny or anybody was saying just by using this it will get you ranked for competitive terms but it does help.

I think a lot of it has been taken out of context by people who don't know why Article Spinning can be useful. I know for a fact if I needed 20 articles I would either write one or pay for one to be written and then spin it. I don't get paid to say that The Best Spinner is good, I say it is good because it is genuinely an awesome bit of software to have if you know how to use it properly.

Yes, I could outsource it to Taiwan to have 20 written but for the quality I would get I may as well just randomise some words.

 

[eventdomain]

Yeah, that whole SEO thing and trying to get your site to the top of the rankings is a mugs game. Maybe you should try it as it might get your site some more traffic.

Being such an expert on the whole SEO game though you would know about using Meta Titles on all of your pages

Again, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about before posting. You are telling people who use it with positive results that it doesn't work.

Yeah, I'll do that, but I fancy a few more finalist awards first though...