Probation period and pregnancy

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  1. MariaMalac

    MariaMalac UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    How would you manage a situation with an employee who started 1st June 2019, 6 months probation period and now she found out she is pregnant. She is a very good employee, no problems since she’s started. She got pregnant after she started.
     
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 By: MariaMalac Member since: Aug 12, 2019
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  2. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    I’d say thanks very much but goodbye.

    Probably not the nicest thing to do but she will finish probation, you get a few months work then she will be off on maternity leave and may never return.
     
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  3. MariaMalac

    MariaMalac UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    She said she wants to return. Also based on what you can dismiss her? It's a discrimination no?
     
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 By: MariaMalac Member since: Aug 12, 2019
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  4. NicoJ

    NicoJ UKBF Regular Free Member

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    One of the employment specialists should post on here in due course, but from my limited knowledge:
    1) I would not sack her as, like you said I'm pretty sure that's discrimination (why would you want to anyway if you think she's a good worker?)
    2) She will be entitled to maternity leave and will accrue her rights during that time eg holiday pay
    3) She will not be entitled to maternity pay due to her length of service being too short so she will need to apply for maternity benefit from the government.
     
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 By: NicoJ Member since: Mar 27, 2017
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  5. fisicx

    fisicx It's Major Clanger! Staff Member

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    She is on probation so there is no discrimination. You just have to tell them their services are no longer required.
     
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 By: fisicx Member since: Sep 12, 2006
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  6. MariaMalac

    MariaMalac UKBF Newcomer Free Member

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    After employee announces pregnancy officially and next day you sack her that is unfair dismissal.

    We don't want to fire her, she will even be entitled to the SMP because she will be there at least 26 weeks I think. Just gathering info for manager (who is sometimes difficult)
     
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 By: MariaMalac Member since: Aug 12, 2019
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  7. NicoJ

    NicoJ UKBF Regular Free Member

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    From the government website you need the following to qualify for maternity pay:

    have worked for your employer continuously for at least 26 weeks continuing into the ‘qualifying week’ - the 15th week before the expected week of childbirth

    @fisicx - sacking someone because they are pregnant is automatic unfair dismissal so the company would open itself up to an employment tribunal.
     
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 By: NicoJ Member since: Mar 27, 2017
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  8. STDFR33

    STDFR33 UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    But that would be unlawful and make you a hickdead.
     
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 By: STDFR33 Member since: Aug 7, 2016
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  9. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    OK so besides finding a reason to legally sack someone, what about as the OP says when someone is a good worker and want to keep them?

    Anything else the OP needs to know regarding keeping them, besides the fact that babies don't always stick to schedules regarding time off before arriving?
     
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  10. Newchodge

    Newchodge UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    You should have a risk assessment for the job she does. You need to re-visit that to make sure there are no health and safety risks for a pregnant woman.

    You must allow her time off for ante-natal appointments.

    Generally just continue to treat her as a valued member of staff.
     
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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  11. Bob Morgan

    Bob Morgan UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Why is the Probation Period 6 Months?
     
    Posted: Aug 12, 2019 By: Bob Morgan Member since: Apr 15, 2018
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  12. I_DO_MARKETING

    I_DO_MARKETING UKBF Regular Free Member

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    I've had exactly this one, apart from mine was a fruit loop and we did sack her.

    She took us to tribunal claiming 26k for "damage to feelings" after being employed for three months and us saying we wouldn't take her on after the 3 months probation.

    Case took a year and a half to settle.

    If she is a good employee I wouldn't hesitate to keep the position open as long as necessary and do whatever I could to help her and her family enjoy the new arrival.
     
    Posted: Aug 14, 2019 By: I_DO_MARKETING Member since: Oct 24, 2015
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  13. obscure

    obscure UKBF Ace Free Member

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    Why do companies do probation periods.... they are stupid. You already have a legal probation period of 2 years within which you can fire someone without cause. Telling them they are on three months probation just tells them they need to be on their best behaviour for three months..... meaning you may not see the real them for several months.
     
    Posted: Aug 15, 2019 at 5:03 AM By: obscure Member since: Jan 18, 2008
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  14. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    Gives employee an idea as to how long they have in order to produce to the right level consistently. It's artificial but then again plenty of things in the world of employees are.

    I have had probation extended - the person setting probation had no clue of timescales for results. Also had no clue about targets but I just usually ignored what she came up with.
     
    Posted: Aug 15, 2019 at 9:12 AM By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  15. Lucan Unlordly

    Lucan Unlordly UKBF Ace Free Member

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    'She got pregnant after she started'.....

    I'm a little out of touch with this sort of thing but don't most women give it a couple of months before announcing a pregnancy to their nearest and dearest, let alone their new employers?
     
    Posted: Aug 16, 2019 at 12:34 AM By: Lucan Unlordly Member since: Feb 24, 2009
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  16. Newchodge

    Newchodge UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    It doesn't matter. The fact that matters is that she is pregnant. whether she was pregnant when she started or not is irrelevant. She cannot be subjected to any kind of detriment as a result of her pregnancy
     
    Posted: Aug 16, 2019 at 12:45 AM By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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  17. ecommerce84

    ecommerce84 UKBF Regular Free Member

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    Sounds like they’ve got one hell of an induction.

    “You’re now officially one of the team”.

    Do you have any jobs going @MariaMalac

    :D
     
    Posted: Aug 16, 2019 at 10:58 AM By: ecommerce84 Member since: Feb 24, 2007
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  18. Lucan Unlordly

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    Has the opening post been edited or did I mis-read it? I posted my earlier comment on the basis that it was just over 6 weeks since she started on 1st July?
     
    Posted: Aug 16, 2019 at 11:06 AM By: Lucan Unlordly Member since: Feb 24, 2009
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  19. Mr D

    Mr D UKBF Legend Free Member

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    It takes 2 months for a working woman to notice and a couple of weeks for a schoolgirl to notice?
    Any idea why the difference in timescales?
     
    Posted: Aug 16, 2019 at 11:09 AM By: Mr D Member since: Feb 12, 2017
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  20. Newchodge

    Newchodge UKBF Big Shot Free Member

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    It doesn't work like that. She is pregnant, she is sacked after announcing she is pregnant. Unless the employer has good, documented reasons for the dismissal they would be likely to lose an ET. Discrimination claims are not subject to the 2 year employment before the right to take a claim.
     
    Posted: Aug 16, 2019 at 11:27 AM By: Newchodge Member since: Nov 8, 2012
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