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Real people always are flawed in some way. The test is did they make a difference.
In Mandela's case, he clearly did.
In Mandela's case, he clearly did.
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New site, but the same old lies.
50% think Thatcher was good for Britain, 34% think she was bad.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/09/opinion-sharply-divide-margaret-thatcher
52% good, 34% bad....
http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploa...YouGov-Sun-results-Thatcher-legacy-130409.pdf
47% good, 42% bad....
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...e/3160/Margaret-Thatcher-Poll-April-2013.aspx
50% think Thatcher was good for Britain, 34% think she was bad.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/09/opinion-sharply-divide-margaret-thatcher
52% good, 34% bad....
http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploa...YouGov-Sun-results-Thatcher-legacy-130409.pdf
47% good, 42% bad....
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchp...e/3160/Margaret-Thatcher-Poll-April-2013.aspx
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sirearl
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New site same lack of manners .
Quoting a poll of Sun readers does not impress me.
Not sure where you live but I live in Britain. A country where a large proportion is owned by foreign interests including our energy supplies.
A country up to its eye balls in debt with no means of repaying them.
All as a direct result of various stupid arrogant bloody minded government policies tabled by a bunch of emotional and intellectual morons,the queen being ..............
No change there then.
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It's not a poll of Sun readers. It's a poll done on behalf of The Sun.
So you're willing to ignore polls run by three different polling bodies, and stick to what a bloke down the pub told you. And then change the subject to hope nobody notices.
So you're willing to ignore polls run by three different polling bodies, and stick to what a bloke down the pub told you. And then change the subject to hope nobody notices.
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Mandela had his faults, but his ability to stop huge retribution once white rule was done away with in SA goes part way in reducing his flaws.
SA hasn't changed for the better for many, but seriously, who really thought it would happen in just a few years, it will take many decades to improve everyone's lot.
We in the UK cannot be too critical though, we have better conditions than SA, have for many years, better overall jobs and education, yet most of our fortunes have slipped in the last decade, and previously to that any so called good times were built on a huge debt mountain.
SA hasn't changed for the better for many, but seriously, who really thought it would happen in just a few years, it will take many decades to improve everyone's lot.
We in the UK cannot be too critical though, we have better conditions than SA, have for many years, better overall jobs and education, yet most of our fortunes have slipped in the last decade, and previously to that any so called good times were built on a huge debt mountain.
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That's irrelevant though. Yougov is a widely accredited polling organisation. Even if you don't believe them, there's two others that came to a similar conclusion.
Why not cut to the chase, and call me "Laddie" again? Then I'll f**k off and you can carry on misleading people.
Why not cut to the chase, and call me "Laddie" again? Then I'll f**k off and you can carry on misleading people.
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But they'll be wrong! They don't understand, not like Earl.
The Daily Mail readers, the FT readers; all wrong. So many, many people wrong, wrong, wrong.
Well, wrongerer than Citizen 'When-I-were-lad' Earl.
Edit: Is the the first new look forum trolling thread?
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sirearl
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No point in having criminal laws without retribution.
Mandela stated that 30% of whites land would be returned to his people,so far that figure is 3%.
Nationalising the various mining industries would have done more for SA than any single act in its history,instead the wealth continues to flow to US/UK and other european interests with Mandelas blessing.
same old same old can't beat the lure of celebrity to see the nature of the beast.
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Having 2 sisters and various friends and family living in SA ,I just might be a tad better informed than some.
Old Nel said.
"The national wealth of our country, the heritage of South Africans, shall be restored to the people; the mineral wealth beneath the soil; the banks and monopoly industries shall be transferred to the ownership of the people as a whole; all other industries and trade shall be controlled to assist the well-being of the people,"
http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/How-Mandela-sold-out-blacks-20120717
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Having 2 sisters and various friends and family living in SA ,I just might be a tad better informed than some.
The White Oppressor is your family and friends. Nuff said.
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Very quaint and empire. Referring to people as 'natives'.
As in "That Madiba was a naughty native wasn't he?"
(Or "Thet Medibha waz a norty naytive from Sarf Efrika")
As in "That Madiba was a naughty native wasn't he?"
(Or "Thet Medibha waz a norty naytive from Sarf Efrika")
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Yes.
( Earl's grasp of PC might be a tad shaky if his usage of terms like 'native', 'chinky' and 'slantyeyes' --regarding Ling-- are remembered.)
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My answer to the opening question is that Mandela was neither, or a bit of both! But the legacy seems hard to dispute - a South Africa not fixed but on a path to a potentially better place.
His methods may have been questionable, or necessary, depending on your view point. He started campaigning against blatant racism, and was met with a stone wall, leaving few options between submission and attack.
His methods may have been questionable, or necessary, depending on your view point. He started campaigning against blatant racism, and was met with a stone wall, leaving few options between submission and attack.
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Wasn't the whole Mandela death thing a bit convenient? Did he die days ago but it was kept quiet for the premiere, to be announced when it was hot news OR did he choose to go then because of his ill health? Just a coincidence?
A black person in charge means change. Obama (despite being half black?) was a good example of this and happens (once the honeymoon period rubbed off) to be one of the worst presidents of the US. Furthermore, there has previously been mixed raced presidents. Mandela was a celeb. It was all PC. As far as I understand no one in the world bothered to intervene at all... then all of a sudden everyone was friends. Mandela was idolised as the only ever black president - against all odds - a diplomatic peace objective; he indeed was a sell-out but fame and legacy overrules heart and failure.
The US Secret Service replaced an interpreter with a clueless security guard posing as a interpreter as Obama made a speech. The Western world doesn't trust and never did trust the South African authorities - Mandela included. They saw him as a terrorist. But lets not mention how many black leaders in the rest of Africa continuing the same cycle of corrupt violent regimes... of course me saying that is racist solely because its not PC to say so.
A black person in charge means change. Obama (despite being half black?) was a good example of this and happens (once the honeymoon period rubbed off) to be one of the worst presidents of the US. Furthermore, there has previously been mixed raced presidents. Mandela was a celeb. It was all PC. As far as I understand no one in the world bothered to intervene at all... then all of a sudden everyone was friends. Mandela was idolised as the only ever black president - against all odds - a diplomatic peace objective; he indeed was a sell-out but fame and legacy overrules heart and failure.
The US Secret Service replaced an interpreter with a clueless security guard posing as a interpreter as Obama made a speech. The Western world doesn't trust and never did trust the South African authorities - Mandela included. They saw him as a terrorist. But lets not mention how many black leaders in the rest of Africa continuing the same cycle of corrupt violent regimes... of course me saying that is racist solely because its not PC to say so.
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All friends now but not when the maggot and the cowboy ruled the world.
http://www.allvoices.com/contribute...mon-peres-supported-apartheid-opposed-mandela
http://www.allvoices.com/contribute...mon-peres-supported-apartheid-opposed-mandela
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Heh. Godwins Law.
Nonsense too. Living in SA would be splitting hairs? Which planet does this make sense on? Get those meds adjusted.
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