gay therapy

[directmarketingadvice]

So Bi then and the therapist is going to turn them straight (because you don't seem to be suggesting that turning them gay may be an option?)

I used an example. The example was of a gay man. That doesn't mean I'm saying it can't go the other way.

Isn't that a contradiction of this:

Originally Posted by SteveGibson View Post

I'm not talking about "persuading" people. I doubt that would work.

According to the free dictionary, to "persuade" means:

"To induce to undertake a course of action or embrace a point of view by means of argument, reasoning, or entreaty"

The reason I don't think persuasion would work is that I don't believe you can change someone's sexuality by listing all the benefits of being straight... or by begging them to change.

I think it's something at an identity level and would have to involve change at the sub-conscious level.

Which is why I suggested hypnotherapy might work.

Steve

 

[maria102]

I think it's something at an identity level and would have to involve change at the sub-conscious level.

Which is why I suggested hypnotherapy might work.

Steve

Isn't hypnotism (the power of suggestion) a type of 'persuasion' though?

 

[maria102]

Isn't hypnotism (the power of suggestion) a type of 'persuasion' though?

Actually, I think I've answered my own question. Persuasion is a type of hypnosis, suggesting there are other types of hypnotism, eg suggestion? :|

 

[J_a_t_33]

I was merely stating that you wouldn't enjoy that particular game as brains were needed so it was therefore something you wouldn't enjoy .. therefore how this can be construed as sarcasm beats me ... it was a plain old insult, but you see, you have merely confirmed my insult by misunderstanding what I said ... ah well, shall I use smaller words next time??

Owned lol!!

 

[directmarketingadvice]

Isn't hypnotism (the power of suggestion) a type of 'persuasion' though?

Two different words, two different meanings.

Sggestion is like planting seeds in the unconscious mind. Persuasion is more about appealing to the conscious mind.

(through "argument, reasoning, or entreaty")

Or, to put it another way, one is indirect and other is direct.

Steve

 

[maria102]

I know, that's why I corrected myself - though there is a type of hypnotism called Persuasion Hypnotism.

 

[glennmid101]

Don't you mean Suggestion Steve, or is the letter U far too camp?

 

[Mattonella Tile Studio]

Don't you mean Suggestion Steve, or is the letter U far too camp?

Do you never make typing errors?

 

[Mattonella Tile Studio]

I totally understand, because it is a serious subject, like the other week, when people where joking about bernie madoff and gordon brown. I had to explain, i didnt see the funny side, because people who had survived the holocaust had lost everything with madoff.

Don't you mean Bernie Madoff, and Gordon Brown? Or are capital letters too good for you?

 

[J_a_t_33]

Lol, sometimes being a spectator is fantastic, but I must say Glenn, you really are fighting a losing battle.

 

[Dawg]

To me, this is another attack on the Gay community, how are, by and large, law abiding individuals.

.

Oh how we laughed...

BTW: why is Gay in scare quotes in the OP; "Gay"? Also "Therapists"? Are you implying that gay people in therapy are not really gay? Or that gay people go to unqualified therapists?

As to the OP: the report it stemmed from was welcomed by, amongst others, Stonewall, who saw it as parading, showing up, the charlatans and their bigotry, rather than replying from the POV of victims. A stronger, healthier and more appropriate response.

But, ya wanna be a victim? There's still room on the boat.

 

[glennmid101]

you sound chipper Dawg, but then again you call yourself Dawg, in homage of your favourite pastime.

I take it that the Glorious 28th was the start of dogging season. I can picture you, lurking around the undergrowth in some out of the way car park, ready to discharge some rather unpleasant fluid. I hear your ambidexious when excited?

Somehow, i don't think there is a boat big enough to house your head.

 

[Dawg]

As usual Glen, you didn't answer any questions brought up, merely tried to deflect criticism with cack handed personal attacks.

Shall I try again?

Why is Gay in scare quotes in the OP; "Gay"? Also "Therapists"? Are you implying that gay people in therapy are not really gay? Or that gay people go to unqualified therapists?

Can't you answer, or were the scare quotes just an easy mistake in typing? If they weren't a mistake just let us know why you used scare quotes. Do you actually disapprove of gay people and thus qualify them, (perhaps unconsciously), as "apart", or even "unclean". Or is it far more mundane; merely sloppy thought processes leading to sloppy expression?

And what of Stonewall's attitude? Is this wrong in your eyes?
Derek Munn of Stonewall said:

"The conclusions of this research are a welcome reminder that what lesbian and gay people need is equal treatment by society, not misguided treatment by a minority of health professionals."

I'm sure you won't answer with anything but the usual flacid attempts at humorous insult, but as a believer in the possibility of change I await hopefully.

 

[glennmid101]

Well at least your repentant about your voyeurism Dawg.

" Shall I try again ? "

Is that what you said to that woman, who was in the back of that Transit van ?

Which car do you use on your travels, the mercedes or the clapped out Volvo?

 

[maria102]

Sadly Glen is losing the point of his first post now, Derek Munn's conclusion is that the report proves that there is nothing conclusive to say that it even works and that this type of therapy is unnecessary and gay people should just be treated and accepted as normal members of society, not be "cured".

 

[Dawg]

Well at least your repentant about your voyeurism Dawg.

" Shall I try again ? "

Is that what you said to that woman, who was in the back of that Transit van ?

Which car do you use on your travels, the mercedes or the clapped out Volvo?

As I said: I'm sure you won't answer with anything but the usual flaccid attempts at humorous insult

You aren't funny, you aren't smart, you are a tiresome troll. And for what it's worth, after being called anti semitic, having being called a dogger and having been told that I am continually drunk on cheap cider, all by you, if I ever meet you I'll be more than happy to smack you in the mouth. Normally words only fail with the very stupid, and they are not to be abused mentally or physically. For a twot like you I'll make an exception. My address is on my website if you want to take me up on that, but as is obvious, you are a keyboard warrior, safe in the knowledge that you can troll away. Be happy with it.

 

[Rhyl Lightworks]

Your cheap, gratuitous and (I think) unfunny personal insults, Glen, only serve to devalue any valid points you may make in the first place.

Barrie

 

I think there is little doubt that homosexuality is the result of a complex set of psychological conditions including the Oedipus complex in the majority of cases of homosexuality.

Whether a gay person would want to be treated,or whether society should be considering treating gay people is another ball game.

My own opinion is that the amount of time and effort required plus the uncertainty of any success would make it a non viable proposition for most.

In the world of psychology people will only change if they have a reason to.

And for most happy gays ,why should they.?

Earl

 

[directmarketingadvice]

And for most happy gays ,why should they.?

They shouldn't. But I don't think the therapists are trying to "straighten" gay people against their will.

The story I quoted was about gay people asking therapists to make them straight.

And, in those cases, I think it boils down to a few simple questions:

(1) Is that therapist able to change the sexual orientation of willing clients?

(2) Would changing this particular client's sexual orientation make his/her life better?

(3) If the answer to those two questions is "yes", then why shouldn't the therapist give this client what the client wants?

Personally, I think that, for some clients, their orientation could be changed.

(maybe people who are in the middle of the continuum - i.e. they're open to going either way)

And, for some, a change in their sexual orientation would improve their lives.

And, in those instances, I think the therapist should be allowed to help.

It's nothing to do with homophobia or "curing" homosexuality, it's about looking at someone who is in emotional pain and helping them find a solution that works for them.

Steve

 

It's nothing to do with homophobia or "curing" homosexuality, it's about looking at someone who is in emotional pain and helping them find a solution that works for them.

Steve

Totally agree.

The best therapy can do for any individual has been described as .

"changing acute agony into ordinary happiness and unhappiness"

Earl

 

[directmarketingadvice]

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It looks like Glenn has left the building...

Steve