Emily's Out - BB Race Row

[HC-Martin]

So Emily has been booted outa' BB8 - Channel 4 are coming under fire for showing the "racist" footage - but do we really care all over again?

What do others think? Where C4 right to boot her out?

 

[PMA Accountants]

yes...they were right in booting her out, regardless of the context in which she may have meant it....

 

[Richie N]

I think they did the right thing about kicking her out but the media will drag it out for weeks now....

 

[10Yetis]

dull dull dull... who would have thought it... ANOTHER race controversy.
Seen the comments from the C4 Chairman?

Click here to read a summary

 

It is going to be diffcult to put that many idiots into one house without some of them making a fool of themselves. I hope that it is a sign that BB has picked clowns again, rather than an indication that rascism is rife in the UK.

Rascism is something which cannot be tolerated, and whilst I think we may have got a little carried away with political correctness, we must get it through to the next generation that it is no longer acceptable.

This young lady (or whatever) is not coming out of this program with the fame she probably expected - slap it up her

 

[Chris H]

I'm getting confused about all this racism stuff.

I was brought up with the 'n-word' being a bloody offensive word and totally off-limits.

Yet I hear the word regularly used in some of the music my kids have and also in some current films today but ne'er a peep from anyone over it.

Is it okay to use or not. And if it is then who can use it and under what terms??

 

[Astaroth]

I thought it fell under the normal rules of offensive words, it is ok to use as long as you fall within the group that you are offending - one rule for one and another for another

 

[Arhiann]

Rascism is something which cannot be tolerated, and whilst I think we may have got a little carried away with political correctness, we must get it through to the next generation that it is no longer acceptable.

It p'd me off with the Jade Goody incident, but I'll not give it much heed this time. What does annoy me though is ereryone beng up in arms about it, when this ckin of thing is commonplace in this country.

 

[Gillie]

Tell you what ... lets all stop watching this crap, then we won't have to debate it!!

 

[HC-Martin]

Hey Gill....I thought you were going out shopping this afternoon...!!!

http://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=36094

P.S - Not a fan then???

 

[Gillie]

Its zzzzzzzzzzzz .. and been, I don't hang around!

 

[Arhiann]

And to think, they took Scrubs off for this.

 

I do not watch it - but I watch the news and they cover anything that happens. The world has gone mad.

We have soldiers risking their lives in numerous countries, we have children in dire need of help all over the country, we have loads of homeless people, we have a border problem, crime is farcical - but the news would rather cover BB.

 

[Rhyl Lightworks]

I wouldn't be surprised if they scripted the whole thing, and she was put in there primed to say that, to get the publicity (and thus viewing figures) all over again.
Barrie

 

[SillyJokes]

Big Brother phoned me up for freebies today - I told them we don't watch and weren't interested in 'lending' them any clown clothes.

He put the phone down pretty hard - obviously it is harder for them to get UK companies pay their production costs this year. ha ha. Poor Endemol, with only the £200million+ turnover the budget for comedy costumes must be tight.

 

[directmarketingadvice]

Big Brother phoned me up for freebies today - I told them we don't watch and weren't interested in 'lending' them any clown clothes.

Are you sure the clown clothes were for the show?

They could have been for the directors of ch4.

IMO, the housemate who made this remark probably isn't racist .. just seems like a spoilt little rich kid who lacks the real world experience to understand what she's saying.

And, if it's another nail in the BB coffin, I'm glad it happened.

Steve

 

[simonswords]

Anyone in charge of BB with half a brain can see that she wasn't trying to offend anybody, she just doesn't have a clue. I'd like to know what would have happened if the black girl had said the same thing, would they have kicked her out?

So with all that said and done, I think she should have been slapped on the wrist and told not to do it again, in the same manner as would have happened in real life. I was doing some research in to this (sad isn't it?) before I wrote this post, check out the following statement:

A spokesman for the Commission for Racial Equality said: “We can see from this incident that there is no stereotype of a racist, they come from all walks of life, education and social background.

“Two series of Big Brother, two racist incidents – this just shows how prevalent racism is in Britain today.”

So let me get this straight, the people in charge of ensuring that Britain remains a tolerant and safe place for people from all backgrounds use Big Brother as a gauge of the state of the nation? What a load of sh1t.

And on a techie note - http://www.cre.gov.uk/ - check out their site in IE7, what a mess!

 

[KM-Tiger]

I simply cannot, any longer, contain my indifference to this non-issue.

Have you people got nothing better to do?

 

So Emily has been booted outa' BB8 - Channel 4 are coming under fire for showing the "racist" footage - but do we really care all over again?

What do others think? Where C4 right to boot her out?

God no they should leave her in it when they burn the thing down ,and start putting programs on for viewers a bit further up the food chain

 

[kroggy]

Shove a lot of idiots into one small place and guess what you get, 'controversy' - and they walk out smiling because they have just become millionaires... HEY PRESTO!
No the 'n' word should not be used, whether be it by white, someone of black ethnic race or playing it cool in some music form. If rules are relaxed with some groups being able to use it then others may feel that it is their right to use it too, and yes a good move by by BB to oust the 'guest' to show ALL that what was said is not right by anyone...welcome 'Hello Magazine'

Ps. I now find the programme dull and can't be bothered to watch it...more real life on UKBF

 

[Eagle]

I simply cannot, any longer, contain my indifference to this non-issue.

Have you people got nothing better to do?

This thread is no longer about Big Brother - it's about DOUBLE STANDARDS...

Remember Germaine Jackson's comment about "White Trash"?

Where was the Commision for Racial Equality then?....










yeah, keep trying......







...you can't, can you?





...thought so.

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This thread is no longer about Big Brother - it's about DOUBLE STANDARDS...

Remember Germaine Jackson's comment about "White Trash"?



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Now does that go in the green bin or the black one or one of them clear bags ? as long as someone bins it who cares .Worried from Whitstable :|

 

[simonswords]

Now does that go in the green bin or the black one or one of them clear bags ? as long as someone bins it who cares .Worried from Whitstable :|

lol SirEarl

 

 

[Eagle]

Only fair.

 

[mumper]

I was brought up with the 'n-word' being a bloody offensive word and totally off-limits.

Yet I hear the word regularly used in some of the music my kids have and also in some current films today but ne'er a peep from anyone over it./quote]

It's basically one-way racism. It's seems to be ok for blacks to use it but not whites - either it is or it isn't offensive to both groups; there should be no middle ground.

 

I was brought up with the 'n-word' being a bloody offensive word and totally off-limits.

Yet I hear the word regularly used in some of the music my kids have and also in some current films today but ne'er a peep from anyone over it./quote]

It's basically one-way racism. It's seems to be ok for blacks to use it but not whites - either it is or it isn't offensive to both groups; there should be no middle ground.

now now Mumper don't confuse the issue with common sense

 

[directmarketingadvice]

It's seems to be ok for blacks to use it but not whites - either it is or it isn't offensive to both groups; there should be no middle ground.

There's a thing called "context."

i.e. it's not just the words that are said, it's also who said it and to whom.

For example, I've got a Slovak friend and I sometimes tease her about her country, but she knows I respect her and that I don't believe what I'm saying about Slovakia/Slovaks.

The trust is there. But it wouldn't be there if some stranger was saying the same things.

Similarly, she can joke about Scottish people and it's just a laugh.

If a black person uses the n-word with another black person, it's pretty easy to see that it's not an anti-black comment or a sign that he thinks black people are inferior or sub-human.

Steve

 

Similarly, she can joke about Scottish people and it's just a laugh.



Steve

As a Black scottish / Russian jew I object strongly to us "picks" being picked on.

I can see nothing to laugh about in a scottish gentleman,They are a dour ,miserable group of individuals held together by the common belief that sheeps entrails are good for them.

Personified by " Big Yin" that purveyor of gloom and doom.

sorry to be so blunt but I believe in calling " a you know what a you know what"

 

[mumper]

There's a thing called "context."

i.e. it's not just the words that are said, it's also who said it and to whom.

For example, I've got a Slovak friend and I sometimes tease her about her country, but she knows I respect her and that I don't believe what I'm saying about Slovakia/Slovaks.

The trust is there. But it wouldn't be there if some stranger was saying the same things.

Similarly, she can joke about Scottish people and it's just a laugh.

If a black person uses the n-word with another black person, it's pretty easy to see that it's not an anti-black comment or a sign that he thinks black people are inferior or sub-human.

Steve

I don't agree with your point about 'context'. It's either right or it's wrong.

Black people have derogatory names for white people - but how many times do you hear about whites taking blacks to court on racism charges? Significantly less than the other way around I'll bet.

I have black friends who I laugh and joke with about colour and say pretty much what I like to them as they do to me. I'm white and I say things to them but I'm not racist and they know it. The real reason that some cry racism is to turn things to their own advantage.

 

I don't agree with your point about 'context'. It's either right or it's wrong.

Black people have derogatory names for white people - but how many times do you hear about whites taking blacks to court on racism charges? Significantly less than the other way around I'll bet.

I have black friends who I laugh and joke with about colour and say pretty much what I like to them as they do to me. I'm white and I say things to them but I'm not racist and they know it. The real reason that some cry racism is to turn things to their own advantage.

If you want to see real racism

Try the western worlds attitude to Africa ,The East,and any nation whose colour ain't white in the world.

Could you imagine a million people being allowed to starve to death in France.

Now thats real racism,

How ironical that most western nations have such politically correct race laws within there own borders.

And here we have more interest in one white persons comments about a slightly burnt person than all the suffering that racism causes world wide .correct me if I am mistaken:|

 

[bdarling]

I don't get what is so hard to understand. At no point is it ever o.k to use the word n*****, black, white, joking, not joking.
i know some black artist use the word in their songs, but the rest of the black community can't be expected to apologize for these idiots, and we all know these people tend to be far removed for any form of reality and generally out to shock.
People keep referring to the fact that some black people use the N word. Not any black people i know! (but then i don't know any singers and have limited contact with young boys (black and white), roaming the streets on their bikes/skateboards/whatever).
But instead of acknowledging that it is only a small % of black people who use this word. people are actually siting it's use as justification, or at least the fact that it make the words use confusing.
No it's bloody doesn't. Never use it. If you are not black, do not use it, if you are black and use the word, talk to your mum, aunty, grandad or anyone else who arrived as part of the first generation, and see how open they are to your use. sorry, you bloody well know you wouldn't say this word in font of your mum.

Rant over. it's so annoying when hubby wont let me rant.

 

[mumper]

If you want to see real racism Try the western worlds attitude to Africa ,The East,and any nation whose colour ain't white in the world.
And here we have more interest in one white persons comments about a slightly burnt person than all the suffering that racism causes world wide .correct me if I am mistaken:|

I think where Africa is concerned, it isn't about racism. The world has been trying to help various African countries develop for well over forty years. Money has been poured into famine relief, vaccinations, freshwater wells, schools and agriculture and it hasn't seemed to make much difference, possibly because a lot of the money doesn't reach the people who need it. If corrupt regimes don't want to help their own countries, it's no wonder some governments are questioning whether it's worth the effort.

I'm going to bed now.

 

[directmarketingadvice]

I have black friends who I laugh and joke with about colour and say pretty much what I like to them as they do to me. I'm white and I say things to them but I'm not racist and they know it.

This is my point.

You say it and they laugh because you're a friend and they know you're not racist.

However, if someone they met 5 minutes ago said it, they could quite easily be offended.

So, I'm sticking with my "context" argument.

Steve

 

I think where Africa is concerned, it isn't about racism.

Oh now how comes the last lot of g8 bods ain't payed there dues

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070606/ten-g8-summit-africa-aid-9700fcb.html

total aid promised to africa by the G8 30 billion

cost of the egg and spoon race stadium est 20 billion on completion

good job we have our priorities right.

I know Africa has particular unique problems ,but we do owe them a little bit considering most of our wealth was stolen from them ,in one way or another

 

[mumper]

I know Africa has particular unique problems ,but we do owe them a little bit considering most of our wealth was stolen from them ,in one way or another

I agree, but how long do we go on paying them back? Surely we should have seen some improvement by now? I go back to my earlier point; not all the money donated reaches the right people.

 

[mumper]

However, if someone they met 5 minutes ago said it, they could quite easily be offended.

So, I'm sticking with my "context" argument.Steve

To be fair, if anyone of any race or colour was that familiar with me after only 5 minutes I'd be offended. I take your point about context and the fact that in some cases it's relevant, but I still think that if it's offensive for whites to use certain words it should also be the same for blacks.

Look at the changes over recent years for 'fear of offending' black people. The word 'black' is banned in some instances. Blackboards are now referred to as chalkboards. The golliwog is no longer allowed to be sold or displayed on jam or marmalade jars. Schools can no longer sing Ba Ba Black Sheep. Yet every year we have the MOBO awards - Music of Black Origin. If there was an event called Music of White Origin, you could bet your last pound someone would claim it was offensive to blacks.

 

I agree, but how long do we go on paying them back? .

Interesting point ,How about a profit sharing scheme say 3% of our GNP.

Not a bad deal for the western world considering what they got out of the deal.

+ lets say £50,000 for every slave that had to take early retirement from life,owing to it being cheaper to buy another one than to feed them properly.

I hear we have just finished paying our cousins across the way back for stopping them being obliterated by the Nazi hoards.

As for the money not getting to the people who need it,well we would seem to be pretty well versed in the art of dictator removal.

I'm sure a few mock bombing runs by a couple of hundred B52's might have the desired effect.

It seems to work quite well in the oil rich nations for us

I know I probably over simplify things a tadge,but then I tend to find starvation and curable disease is not rocket science.

Qustion:

would you give 3% of your income to save your neighbours life ?

assuming you liked them

 

[mumper]

As for the money not getting to the people who need it,well we would seem to be pretty well versed in the art of dictator removal.

Another matter entirely but absolutely true. Out of interest, who have we just finished paying money to dating back to the war? I know the last payment has been made to the USA.

In answer to your question - yes, I probably would give up 3% of my salary to save a neighbour's life, as long as he invited me to his barbeque

 

Another matter entirely but absolutely true. Out of interest, who have we just finished paying money to dating back to the war? I know the last payment has been made to the USA.

In answer to your question - yes, I probably would give up 3% of my salary to save a neighbour's life, as long as he invited me to his barbeque

OK so we seem to be fairly in agreement ,now can we get back to the really important issue.


What are we going to do about poor Emily ?

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