Chinese virus
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@Gordon L
Scaremongering? You have no idea or concept of what will happen and what you will be seeing.
Stop going on about your involvement with Foot & Mouth and your time in the armed forces which are both irrelevant. You have already been told by @atmosbob how UK mishandled that situation.
Carry on bashing China, it's your prerogative, but I will say this, they have handled the situation far better than the UK have, which every other country has followed, except the UK - What does that tell you?
UK 'tried' to follow a different path, which was clear for all to see that it was not going to work. This virus is unknown, the world had first hand experience on how to treat it, by testing and isolating, which all subsequent countries to be infected followed . . . .S Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Macau, Singapore, Japan, Australia, Malaysia, Thailand, then when it reached Europe, all countries followed suit, bar UK, who followed a different strategy.
UK's testing procedures and testing quantities was (and still is) woefully inadequate. On average 10%-20% of the quantities other countries have tested. Without knowing who is infected, you cannot isolate and treat. (W.H.O saying this, not me)
It was only when they were challenged, that their 'model' was found to be wanting, with a projection of 250,000 anticipated dead (their figures, not mine).
They followed the strategy on herd immunity, then back tracked.
Read the twitter feed of The Times Science Editor, Tom Whipple, who was at a the meeting last night when 'The Model' was presented to journalists and discussed. It will open your eyes.
They allowed planes to continue to land, with zero checks and screening, which every other country took precautions against.
In short, they have let it get out of control, due to their own actions.
This is sheer incompetence and they have allowed the virus to spread out of control..
You are simply trying to defend the indefensible.
The fact that they do not have sufficient PPE is shameful.
Top medics should have seen what was happening in China in January and taking precautions at that time. To wait until this Monday, to scramble around to buy ICU ventilators is both laughable and pathetic.
Every ICU ventilator in stock has been snapped up by USA, Germany and yesterday Portugal bought the rest that was available. UK will have no ICU ventilators until JCB can start to produce, which will take months.
They do not even have enough basic masks or correct and sufficient PPE.
Is that how you think they should have been prepared?
Speak to GP's, speak to front line workers . . . .then tell me I'm wrong.
Stop trying to defend the indefensible.
Scaremongering? You have no idea or concept of what will happen and what you will be seeing.
Stop going on about your involvement with Foot & Mouth and your time in the armed forces which are both irrelevant. You have already been told by @atmosbob how UK mishandled that situation.
Carry on bashing China, it's your prerogative, but I will say this, they have handled the situation far better than the UK have, which every other country has followed, except the UK - What does that tell you?
UK 'tried' to follow a different path, which was clear for all to see that it was not going to work. This virus is unknown, the world had first hand experience on how to treat it, by testing and isolating, which all subsequent countries to be infected followed . . . .S Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Macau, Singapore, Japan, Australia, Malaysia, Thailand, then when it reached Europe, all countries followed suit, bar UK, who followed a different strategy.
UK's testing procedures and testing quantities was (and still is) woefully inadequate. On average 10%-20% of the quantities other countries have tested. Without knowing who is infected, you cannot isolate and treat. (W.H.O saying this, not me)
It was only when they were challenged, that their 'model' was found to be wanting, with a projection of 250,000 anticipated dead (their figures, not mine).
They followed the strategy on herd immunity, then back tracked.
Read the twitter feed of The Times Science Editor, Tom Whipple, who was at a the meeting last night when 'The Model' was presented to journalists and discussed. It will open your eyes.
They allowed planes to continue to land, with zero checks and screening, which every other country took precautions against.
In short, they have let it get out of control, due to their own actions.
This is sheer incompetence and they have allowed the virus to spread out of control..
You are simply trying to defend the indefensible.
The fact that they do not have sufficient PPE is shameful.
Top medics should have seen what was happening in China in January and taking precautions at that time. To wait until this Monday, to scramble around to buy ICU ventilators is both laughable and pathetic.
Every ICU ventilator in stock has been snapped up by USA, Germany and yesterday Portugal bought the rest that was available. UK will have no ICU ventilators until JCB can start to produce, which will take months.
They do not even have enough basic masks or correct and sufficient PPE.
Is that how you think they should have been prepared?
Speak to GP's, speak to front line workers . . . .then tell me I'm wrong.
Stop trying to defend the indefensible.
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Whilst I agree with much of what you post re this virus, the Dutch have also followed the UK initial actions. Whether they change course like the UK time will tell.
Not being privy too the full information it is impossible to know which approach is the best, common sense tells myself harsh measures will work better, but timing for peaks of infections might decide what measures will be considered at different times.
China, from my understanding seems to have got on top of this virus in most provinces, bar the Wuhan area. Even with their measures they might still see many more deaths.
I also notice China seems to be expelling many foreign journalists atm, maybe to cover more problems up?
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I'm not aware of any journalists being expelled in order to cover anything up. (there maybe a titi for tat situation with USA, that always happens, especially with Trump's dislike for China) There are many journalists and ex pats that will comment freely with what's going on in China, including myself.
We all know that every single government will not give accurate figures, including UK.
China, the size of the whole of Europe, with a population greater than the whole of Europe has managed to contain this virus, by thorough testing and isolation, which other countries in the Far East have followed.
W.H.O with their top medics were in China during February and inspected the methods used. They concluded that testing and isolation was the best strategy to follow.
Every government can follow it's own strategy, but the public can and will be up in arms if that strategy has been found to have killed many more people in this current stage and putting huge pressure on the healthcare system, which will inevitably stop patients of other ailments to be treated.
The projections of total deaths (250,000) coming out of the meeting yesterday is just alarming. Their new strategy is predicting 20,000 deaths. Their figures, not mine.
Compare those figures to countries in the Far East that had the virus before it arrived in Europe. For lessons not to have been learned on how to test, isolate and contain this virus is alarming.
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Gordon L
F&M was a disaster, you are quite right. But the 'defeat' and tackling of the virus wasn't; which was my point. We got a grip; alas there were casualties. As there are with this outbreak.
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Gordon L
Personally I trust the UK figures considerably more than those of China, who by the way refused to let WHO in, in January! The strategy China followed (which was not to acknowledge there was a problem, to get the police to make Doctors retract their statements and so on), to not collaborate with other countries, resulted in this virus spreading globally.
You totally ignore the fact that a virus is a virus - there is a huge, massive risk that the virus will re-emerge in China. It is beginning to increase again in HK and Singapore.
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Darren_Ssc
There actually was quite a fuss although the economy had already crashed a couple of years before so the after shock wasn't quite severe.
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Forget the machine. Too much washing afterwards.
Use one of these https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KitchenC...256235&hash=item1f0595ae51:g:Y9IAAOSwdIZdywv8
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Apropos nothing, remember when this thread was moved to Time Out
We're probably now close to needing a different section just for this issue.
Ah remember those days. Before it even came to our country but was already a big issue...
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The Guardian has a genius idea to solve all our problems. They want Jeremy Corbyn in government. 
Yes, this is a war. And as in any war you need a coalition government. One idiot at the top is not enough, you need two.
Moving on to a different topic....
Folk, I have a confession to make; there is something I need to get off my chest. Those who know me and who've seen a few posts of mine will be totally shocked.
Here it is: On some days I wake up in a good mood.
Yes, seriously. On some days I wake up in a good mood.
Then I read the Guardian's website and normality is restored.
Yes, this is a war. And as in any war you need a coalition government. One idiot at the top is not enough, you need two.
Moving on to a different topic....
Folk, I have a confession to make; there is something I need to get off my chest. Those who know me and who've seen a few posts of mine will be totally shocked.
Here it is: On some days I wake up in a good mood.
Yes, seriously. On some days I wake up in a good mood.
Then I read the Guardian's website and normality is restored.
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It could be worse. Had an email from a cousin in Australia. Her husband has just self-isolated after sitting next to one of the Ministers, who has just been pronounced positive, at a dinner.
Before that she wore a mask for ages against the bushfire smoke. Then her car was written off by hail as big as cricket balls. Needless to say she is in the vulnerable age for the virus.
Before that she wore a mask for ages against the bushfire smoke. Then her car was written off by hail as big as cricket balls. Needless to say she is in the vulnerable age for the virus.
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There's an abundance of time for military training when the country isn't fighting overseas. Training that comes in handy when situations like this pop up.
When people say the army/navy exist solely to fire guns at people in 3rd world countries, it irritates me greatly. The British military spend a lot of time training for scenarios that may happen in the future, they also spend a great deal of time on humanitarian concerns across the globe: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/what-we-do/providing-humanitarian-assistance
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The Guardian has a genius idea to solve all our problems. They want Jeremy Corbyn in government.
I've been a Guardian Supporter for a number of years and happily paid my £50 a year to support journalism.
I'm no BOJO fan and not voted Conservative a long time.
Seriously considering cancelling my Guardian support though, the daily briefs they send are atrocious, you would think at times like this they could at least hold back on the hostility a little.
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Could the issue have been made worse by Brexit and the additional restrictions placed on overseas workers coming to the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/may/08/nhs-nursing-crisis-worsened-by-brexit-exodus << It's the Guardian but still.
I'm seeing two different worlds at the moment. Social media/press sounding alarm bells all over the place and telling everyone to self isolate, but in the real world the shops are busy, the streets are packed, car parks are full, the shelves are still being stripped. So much for distancing. People are more crammed together in queues than ever before.
When I went out last night, the local park had loads of people milling around, dog walkers, people in running groups.
I'm seeing two different worlds at the moment. Social media/press sounding alarm bells all over the place and telling everyone to self isolate, but in the real world the shops are busy, the streets are packed, car parks are full, the shelves are still being stripped. So much for distancing. People are more crammed together in queues than ever before.
When I went out last night, the local park had loads of people milling around, dog walkers, people in running groups.
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Darren_Ssc
Yeah, if only we were still in the EU we could all be immune to this. Why weren't we warned?
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Some good news from Southampton...
A cure...? Of sorts.
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/18...irus-effects-trialled-university-southampton/
A cure...? Of sorts.
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/18...irus-effects-trialled-university-southampton/
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Heart breaking report on tv from an Italian hospital, very high quality high standard health service, totally overwhelmed by this virus pandemic. In Italy it is now being called the Apocalypse.
The doctors have never seen anything like this before, nothing like flu, it is 50/50 whether you live, it is awful pneumonia, patients drowning in their lungs. The hospital was better equipped than any UK hospital I have seen.
The doctors have never seen anything like this before, nothing like flu, it is 50/50 whether you live, it is awful pneumonia, patients drowning in their lungs. The hospital was better equipped than any UK hospital I have seen.
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There is massive ignorance in the UK. Most people do not read a newspaper. They switch channels if the news comes on TV. They do not read notices in shops about distancing. I am self isolating but had to pick up a prescription yesterday. Notice on the door about distancing but a guy pushed past two people assuming they were not queuing.
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