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    Business (the vast majority) will shut down for at least 2 months.

    There is very little people can do about it, apart from taking all steps to cut your expenses and see what help is on offer - and grab it.

    Health/Life at the moment is what is important.

    Businesses, who can survive this period, will bounce back and hopefully will be able to get back to where they were.
     
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    Business (the vast majority) will shut down for at least 2 months.

    There is very little people can do about it, apart from taking all steps to cut your expenses and see what help is on offer - and grab it.

    Health/Life at the moment is what is important.

    Businesses, who can survive this period, will bounce back and hopefully will be able to get back to where they were.
    When the call is made for the lockdown to be implemented would it mean small business to remain absolutely shut until further notice from the government
     
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    MOIC

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    When the call is made for the lockdown to be implemented would it mean small business to remain absolutely shut until further notice from the government
    Look at what is happening in other countries in Europe and expect a similar situation in UK.

    Unless you're a pharmacy or in another health related or 'needed' industry, it seems that there will be little option.

    Boris is currently bumbling his way through the management of this situation. Eventually he will be required (forced) to take decisive action, and follow other countries where infections/deaths has followed a similar path.
     
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    Look at what is happening in other countries in Europe and expect a similar situation in UK.

    Unless you're a pharmacy or in another health related or 'needed' industry, it seems that there will be little option.

    Boris is currently bumbling his way through the management of this situation. Eventually he will be required (forced) to take decisive action, and follow other countries where infections/deaths has followed a similar path.
    Everything what you have mentioned so far about UK it’s unfolding now. Our government is everyday ramping up new measures to tackle this virus. So many of us are in the same boat which small businesses. Hopefully I may fall into a fortunate bracket as I have a food store - hoping the government allow us to serve people but I am suspecting our opening hours will be conditional
     
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    Everything what you have mentioned so far about UK it’s unfolding now. Our government is everyday ramping up new measures to tackle this virus. So many of us are in the same boat which small businesses. Hopefully I may fall into a fortunate bracket as I have a food store - hoping the government allow us to serve people but I am suspecting our opening hours will be conditional
    Look to do the following:

    1. Offer a local delivery service in sealed cartons.

    2. Let them know you will be disinfecting the box (they do this in China for every parcel delivered over the past 2 months)

    It really depends on what restrictions the government will impose.

    France, Spain, Italy and others are restricting movement, so need to wait and see.

    Be prepared and good luck!
     
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    Look to do the following:

    1. Offer a local delivery service in sealed cartons.

    2. Let them know you will be disinfecting the box (they do this in China for every parcel delivered over the past 2 months)

    It really depends on what restrictions the government will impose.

    France, Spain, Italy and others are restricting movement, so need to wait and see.

    Be prepared and good luck!
    I’ve offered that, all our products are already prepacked and delivered in cardboxes.
     
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    Essential ones needed to support the community with urgent deliveries of medicine, food etc will be allowed to be used . . . . . . if it follows the China model . . . . .which it might not.

    It becomes a problem if the couriers are sick though. 7 days minimum or 14 days isolation if they’re in a family home.

    Courier companies and self employed couriers are all going to be off work at random times, reducing capacity in the network. You also must not have drivers visiting homes if they’ve got this virus!

    People may be calling in sick now, having their 14 days and going back but they’re not actually infected, they just have normal flu. So they’ll need another 14 days off later.

    there’s nothing anyone can really do. It’s spreading and more services and businesses will be closed down, temporarily for now.

    it would be best if they just froze all mortgages, loan repayments and taxes for 3 months. They should freeze VAT collections and let businesses use that for paying off essential costs during the shut down period.
     
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    It becomes a problem if the couriers are sick though. 7 days minimum or 14 days isolation if they’re in a family home.

    Courier companies and self employed couriers are all going to be off work at random times, reducing capacity in the network. You also must not have drivers visiting homes if they’ve got this virus!

    People may be calling in sick now, having their 14 days and going back but they’re not actually infected, they just have normal flu. So they’ll need another 14 days off later.

    there’s nothing anyone can really do. It’s spreading and more services and businesses will be closed down, temporarily for now.

    it would be best if they just froze all mortgages, loan repayments and taxes for 3 months. They should freeze VAT collections and let businesses use that for paying off essential costs during the shut down period.

    And people may need 14 days off multiple times.

    A courier company can source staff from temping agencies or its permanent staff from other roles however there are limits to how many can be got and they are also subject to time off.

    The other side of the coin is what happens when a place with 200 staff is not getting enough work. Insolvency?
    May lose some or all couriers.
     
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    My wife works at an NHS building, turned up yesterday after a weeks holiday, to find it nearly empty, it runs 24/7/365. All the managers were away, middle level clerical staff had been allowed time off or working from home, because they had colds several months ago etc.

    The only workers in, low level staff, zero hour workers and cleaners, all were shocked she had turned up. The facility treats mental health, ordinary citizens are being put off visiting, to free up the facility for.....prisoners. They will continue to receive exceptional treatment with no waiting.
     
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    It becomes a problem if the couriers are sick though. 7 days minimum or 14 days isolation if they’re in a family home.

    Courier companies and self employed couriers are all going to be off work at random times, reducing capacity in the network. You also must not have drivers visiting homes if they’ve got this virus!

    People may be calling in sick now, having their 14 days and going back but they’re not actually infected, they just have normal flu. So they’ll need another 14 days off later.
    There will be less drivers needed for essential deliveries. They can take rotas, but will need to be protected appropriately as well as disinfecting every box delivered. They leave the box at the front gate. This is what happened in China, keeping their distance.



    there’s nothing anyone can really do. It’s spreading and more services and businesses will be closed down, temporarily for now.
    Being prepared is probably the only realistic thing to do at this stage.



    it would be best if they just froze all mortgages, loan repayments and taxes for 3 months. They should freeze VAT collections and let businesses use that for paying off essential costs during the shut down period.
    Agree. But will it happen?
     
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    Just for info this is the French approach

    snip/ For anyone who hasn't had the information or is not sure what it means,
    the information can be found on the French government web-site:

    https://www.interieur.gouv.fr/fr/Ac...istere/Attestation-de-deplacement-derogatoire

    You can download the form which is necessary to carry with you from 12h
    today from this site but I have also attached it to this email.

    Basically from 12h today for a minimum of 15 days in order to further
    reduce contact and keep journeys to a strict minimum you can be exempted
    from the rules of confinement under the following conditions which
    correspond to the list on the attestation in the same order:

    - journeys between your home and work if it is not possible to work from
    home

    - journeys to buy essential goods in local authorised establishments eg
    food
    shopping, prescriptions

    - journeys for health reasons such as medical appointments

    - journeys for urgent family reasons eg to help vulnerable people or to
    look after children on the condition that the strict hygiene rules are
    observed

    - short journeys close to home for individual physical activity,
    excluding group sports activities, and for the needs of pets eg dog walking

    If you are not able to print the attestation you can write it out by
    hand and sign it.

    There is a fine for anyone breaking these rules from 38€ to 135€.
     
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    Which is a useful proxy for overall cases.

    It's only useful for determining the type of illness someone showing symptoms has, that's it.

    All it does is disguise what's really happening.

    Myself and my kids are currently in self isolation because my wife has a cough. She's a mental health nurse but PHE won't test her, because her symptoms aren't severe enough. She'll be at home for 2 weeks and it could be for no good reason at all.

    So when we're being told to "pull together as a nation" and "only use the NHS when absolutely necessary" it's a bit contradictory, is it not?
     
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    Here is an article written by a doctor who recovered from an infection. Worst flu for 5 days but that was it. http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/views/b...eres-what-i-want-you-to-know/20040354.article

    The hysteria is plain stupid.

    The 'at risk' are still at risk but yes, I've seen various things on social media of people saying they were expecting the end of the world but it was more like a mild flu and they were fine after a few days. How do you know if you've actually had it? If it's so mild!

    Surprisingly (or not) I noticed that toilet rolls are once again out of stock at our local shops. All the other shelves are packed though. I can't quite work it out. The shops seem to have been expecting all food to be ripped from the shelves but literally, just toilet rolls gone. Plentiful supplies of everything else.
     
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    The 'at risk' are still at risk but yes, I've seen various things on social media of people saying they were expecting the end of the world but it was more like a mild flu and they were fine after a few days. How do you know if you've actually had it? If it's so mild!

    It can be asymptomatic.

    Surprisingly (or not) I noticed that toilet rolls are once again out of stock

    I blame it on the remoaner scare stories last year about a shortage of toilet paper in the event of a no-deal Brexit. They must be s**tting themselves now.
     
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    it would be best if they just froze all mortgages, loan repayments and taxes for 3 months. They should freeze VAT collections and let businesses use that for paying off essential costs during the shut down period.

    Is it fair that these institutions should be forced to shoulder the blame, after all the building societies, banks and other mortgage lenders are all businesses and all need money

    I sympathise with the suggestion but dont think one part of commerce should shoulder the cost over others
     
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    Spain has had 158 new deaths in the last 24hrs, with a total of 510 dead attributed to the virus. How anyone thinks this is not serious is beyond myself.

    My daughters University has responsibly cancelled a few end of year celebrations, parties etc. She has just been invited to an outdoor rave party, the students don’t seem to want to stay indoors. One of those confirmed attending is a trainee nurse, who for the last three days has been posting pictures of her in a variety of PPE Haz med suit etc.

    Have to admit I wasn’t very generous in my response about the youngsters. Picked up a jar of coffee this pm and happy to report a lot of the panic buying seems to have subsided.
     
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    Picked up a jar of coffee this pm and happy to report a lot of the panic buying seems to have subsided.

    Not sure it has. We’re not able to get a Tesco delivery until next week (can usually book for next day), and there is no pasta. At all. No dried pasta in any shape, or pack size.
    In our local co-op there’s no toilet roll, tissues or kitchen roll, also no pasta and most cleaning products have been cleaned out. Most bread is gone too.
     
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    Is it fair that these institutions should be forced to shoulder the blame, after all the building societies, banks and other mortgage lenders are all businesses and all need money

    I sympathise with the suggestion but dont think one part of commerce should shoulder the cost over others

    True but then I'm not talking about anyone shouldering any cost. I'm talking about freezing everything and pushing it all back.

    Various newspapers are suggesting businesses should be bailed out - this is wrong and not workable. Where would you stop, HSBC all the way down to the local corner shop getting pay outs. How would anyone keep control of the claims? Especially one man bands, where the accounts are not as open to scrutiny.

    Business rates? Freeze them now. Push it back. VAT? Don't bother taking payments next month, let businesses retain that in their finances for the next quarter and push it back. The only thing companies would need to worry about is stock costs and staff costs, both variable to a degree. Staff sick pay to be covered by government/tax payer for now. Suppliers would also have no VAT or business rates to worry about, more free money, more flexibility for everyone in the chain.

    Mortgages? Freeze them. Add 3 months on to the end of the agreement and push it all back. It will get repaid, just not right now.
     
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    Not sure it has. We’re not able to get a Tesco delivery until next week (can usually book for next day), and there is no pasta. At all. No dried pasta in any shape, or pack size.

    Have they purchased the sauces? I noticed pasta sold out in a supermarket yesterday but all the sauces were available...odd. People are going to have some boring food during the lock down.
     
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    Have they purchased the sauces? I noticed pasta sold out in a supermarket yesterday but all the sauces were available...odd. People are going to have some boring food during the lock down.

    Sauces still available and loads of fresh pasta. The fresh stuff keeps just fine and can be frozen, and although it’s a bit more expensive it will do for me just now. Just rotten luck that we were nearly due to replenish our big 5kg bag of pasta at the wrong time!
     
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    Long way to catch up to Swine flu (200k deaths) just a few years ago. I cannot remember there being such a fuss in 2010

    I think the issues in Italy have caused the panic everywhere else. 26k active cases, more than anyone else (outside China).

    So, while it was happening over in China, nobody over here seemed too bothered but when Italy fell apart, everyone started thinking it could happen to them (still could).

    The US could have problems. Large population, privatised healthcare, lots of people falling outside of the net.
     
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    So, who should be responsible for the shortages of testing equipment, testing procedures, PPE for front line staff, shortage of ventilators, not enough masks? (even the flimsy ones used by the public)

    Please answer that one.

    Within 2 weeks you will see images coming from many hospitals showing scenes you don't want to see. ***yes, we will. However, answer me this. Do you expect the UK, or any country for that matter, to be constantly prepared, at all time, for every eventuality? We are a peacetime nation operating on peacetime principles. Time after time, we as a nation, as well as every other nation on the planet, have found themselves and ourselves in such situations. I found this myself during foot and mouth, we found it in 2007, in 2001, the Falklands, world war two. And Spanish (Chinese) flu. One thing I guarantee is that this wasn't being ignored, by us or anyone else. You don't just magically conjure up thousands of ventilators, or testing kits. The public expects the government to prioritise what is important at the time, not 'what if'm scenarios' such as cannot be imagined. If you saw Sir Vallance being quizzed today on the select committee, you will have seen that we DID and DO have PPE stocks in abundance, for instance. We may not have the number of ventilators. But look at what happened during WW2. This country went to the capitalists, and at one point it was taking a matter of 2 months, yes 2 months, to have new warships built. James Holland's excellent volumes on WW2 will tell you that. It was an incredible effort and one which I believe is being replicated here right now. Sometimes in life we have to accept that things happen of the magnitude we cannot imagine, and we have to react to them. Today's announcement of new fiscal support demonstrates how we can react, and how the government will react.

    The tragic thing is that this could have been prepared for, certainly with regards to testing equipment and PPE. ***see above

    Unfortunately people like bashing China because they don't like the government, but this virus does not just attack Chinese, it attacks humans as the rest of the world are experiencing including UK. ***there is every reason to bash the Chinese for their appalling food standards and the lies and lack of cooperation with the west when the drama started. They refused help from WHO in January and you are telling me that we shouldn't bash them? I am not saying we should, because we have better things to do with our time. But be under no illusion the seriousness of which we find ourselves is not a British issue, it is a global one and a massive Chinese one. We should be in no doubt as to their culpability.

    Where were the top medics in January, when this virus took hold of China to devastating affect? ***probably looking at the reports of what was happening in China and working out a response. As I have told you I was involved operationally in Foot and Mouth. You don't just 'magic up' a response on day one. You look at the evidence, the science, the data and work out a response based on this. I feel that the UK has done this and communicated this.


    Lessons should have been learned.***yes, I agree. And we and the rest of the world are doing just that. But calling for the removal of the Matt Hancock, as you did, or bleating that airport screening should have been done (when scientifically the evidence suggests it was a useless idea) and so on and so on, as you have been doing - it is hysteria. We need time, and time has shown a growing pandemic, a huge response from our Government and that of Europe.

    I know that you have a relative on the front line and that huge questions are being asked, but i could have done just the same during my time in the forces, where I too felt we weren't at times prepared or equipped, and many on this forum I am sure have had similar experiences of crises, business or otherwise. We just have to get on with it, stop bleating and understand that governmental responses takes days or weeks. At least in the UK we have medical officers who are blunt with the truth, A leader who appears on TV and can be asked questions, at the height of a crisis (unlike r Xi) .

    Let';s be constructive rather than decrying and scaremongering.

    They were not.
     
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