Brexit negotiations
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it wont be long before youve been proved wrong.
so we can revisit this post and see whether Clintons claims of the UK being in a strong negotiation position are true or not.
leavers never understand the cost of non tariffs barriers nor the importance of regulatory alignment.
here's some simple facts:
48% UK exports go to EU
8% of EU exports go to UK
EU gdp $16trillion
UK gdp $2.9trillion
in trade negotiations size counts
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Ally Maxwell
Don't go introducing facts to the Brexit argument. Remember, we hold all the cards, no customs checks, £350M a week, they need us more than we need them, you just need to have faith, stop talking Britian down, we won 2 world wars, the empire, countries queuing up to sign scores of trade deals, blah blah.....
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I don't know who you're replying to (someone obviously on my Ignore list) but fortunately for the UK, we have Remainers like you who have a monopoly on facts.
But Remainers would have this monopoly on facts because they're the more intelligent ones. I hear they have IQ and what not.
They also make great economic predictions and they predicted six out of the last 0 recessions.
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Nope. Those things are just what you want to believe are the reasons that people ‘fell for’ when they decided they didn’t like the EU anymore.
Admit it.
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The proof will be found only in time. Though any negative impact of global pandemic of a virus will of course be seized upon as proof that leaving the EU was a bad idea.
Causes for things happening not something the media care about unless it can fit the story being told. If it's the truth even better but not necessary.
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We've already covered this, size doesn't matter. The EU is big, bloated and arguing with itself.
Bigger is only better if that size is focused.
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Of course it will. These people will jump up and down and scream and shout because "they're in the right". It doesn't matter how many times life slaps them in the face and proves them wrong. They're still right.
And they'll use any dodgy figures to defend their nonsense and to sensationalise everything. Our exports to the EU account for a minor 8% of our GDP. And that trade is not even going away, it'll just be subject to tariffs. Possibly. And maybe only some of it will be subject to tariffs. What effect will tariffs have? Worst case scenario is that we'll see a 20% drop in trade.
So that's a fifth of the 8%. Or 1.6% of GDP.
And that's the worst case scenario if the EU decides they'll take a big hit and walk away without a trade deal! And if they impose tariffs on every single export and if that causes a huge decline in our exports.
1.6% of GDP! Get it in perspective, people! Can we make that up with trade deals elsewhere? Of course we can.
But it won't even come to that. All the main cheerleaders for Remain - Mark Carney, the IMF etc etc - have done a complete 180° and are claiming that the UK economy will do great even in a Clean Break scenario and that we'll grow faster than the EU.
Huh? Yes, read that again. The Remainers are now not using the IMF predictions any more because these don't fit with the brainless panic they've been spreading so far.
The clowns who jump up and down and scream and shout and don't read anything except the alarmist Guardian will continue the wailing and weeping and tearing their hair out.
Fortunately, the dangerous ones - the ones in power - have been flushed out of the Cabinet, Javed was the last Remainer to go. Theresa May, unfortunately, didn't have the option of culling the snakes in the grass. These snakes caused a lot of damage on the inside.
Now they've all gone and there's a solid backbone in the cabinet, we can expect things to go properly. I'm looking forward to the UK finally standing up the EU and telling them how it's going to work.
Thank goodness for Dominic Cummings
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Now they've all gone and there's a solid backbone in the cabinet, we can expect things to go properly. I'm looking forward to the UK finally standing up the EU and telling them how it's going to work.
Send a gunboat to Berlin / Paris / Madrid etc and say 'You Johnny Foreigner you do things our way or you pay the price toot sweet. Chop chop'
Used to work. Heck, maybe we could celebrate St Crispens Day again. 25th October.
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The EU is panicking.
The EU is terrified of upcoming negotiations.
They are so desperate that they're retreating on the issue of a Canada style deal on the grounds of our geographical proximity to the EU. (The British Isles have moved geographically closer over the last 3.5 years?!)
How silly can you get?
And that seems to be their only argument for not agreeing with us a deal that was good enough for Canada. The truth is that they know we can out-compete them. We have the size, the skills and the clout to cause them serious competitive disadvantage if we have a Canada style deal. That's what it's about. Nothing to do with geography!
This is going to be fun
So, no gun boats necessary. Today the EU were told they have till June - give us what we want (our perfectly reasonable demands) or we'll walk. Let's see if they have the smarts that have eluded them so far.
The EU is terrified of upcoming negotiations.
They are so desperate that they're retreating on the issue of a Canada style deal on the grounds of our geographical proximity to the EU. (The British Isles have moved geographically closer over the last 3.5 years?!)
How silly can you get?
And that seems to be their only argument for not agreeing with us a deal that was good enough for Canada. The truth is that they know we can out-compete them. We have the size, the skills and the clout to cause them serious competitive disadvantage if we have a Canada style deal. That's what it's about. Nothing to do with geography!
This is going to be fun
So, no gun boats necessary. Today the EU were told they have till June - give us what we want (our perfectly reasonable demands) or we'll walk. Let's see if they have the smarts that have eluded them so far.
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The EU is panicking.
The EU is terrified of upcoming negotiations.
They are so desperate that they're retreating on the issue of a Canada style deal on the grounds of our geographical proximity to the EU. (The British Isles have moved geographically closer over the last 3.5 years?!)
How silly can you get?
And that seems to be their only argument for not agreeing with us a deal that was good enough for Canada. The truth is that they know we can out-compete them. We have the size, the skills and the clout to cause them serious competitive disadvantage if we have a Canada style deal. That's what it's about. Nothing to do with geography!
This is going to be fun
So, no gun boats necessary. Today the EU were told they have till June - give us what we want (our perfectly reasonable demands) or we'll walk. Let's see if they have the smarts that have eluded them so far.
Moving towards the US?
https://www.mapsinternational.co.uk...move-closer-to-america-in-the-next-200-years/
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The European Banking Federation have apparently just asked the EU not to play hardball re Brexit and the City. The pressure does seem to be ramping up on the EU regarding a deal, and as more EU countries see their economic fortunes decline, hopefully they will decide a good deal is in everyone’s favour.
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In 2017, the EU said they'd be happy with a Canada type deal. This is from an EU document:
In Oct 2018, Donald Tusk said: "From the very beginning, the EU offer has been not just a Canada deal, but a Canada+++ deal."
What's changed? The UK hasn't moved geographically closer! Why withdraw the Canada offer now? And on the ridiculous pretext that we are geographical close to the continent? (Are they so thick that they didn't realise our proximity when they made the offer?)
It's because the EU are panicking.
Thanks for that, yes. The EU banks today told Brussels that markets are no place for Brexit politics.
In separate news, over 1,400 EU banks have applied to the FCA for a UK licence and to have a base in the UK (so much for financial services all deserting the UK and banks moving to the EU! Remember those scare stories?)
If I've said it once, I've said it a million times, EU businesses, particularly the financial sector, cannot afford to lose access to London. This is where all the action is, like it or not.
And remember that many of those EU bureaucrats are looking forward to cushy jobs in the financial sector when they retire. So they need to keep the banks happy
This is all good news.
Unfortunately, there are people in the UK who resent it when the UK's fortunes are on the up. Over the last 3.5 years they cheered every time the EU scored a goal. Strange lot.
In Oct 2018, Donald Tusk said: "From the very beginning, the EU offer has been not just a Canada deal, but a Canada+++ deal."
What's changed? The UK hasn't moved geographically closer! Why withdraw the Canada offer now? And on the ridiculous pretext that we are geographical close to the continent? (Are they so thick that they didn't realise our proximity when they made the offer?)
It's because the EU are panicking.
Thanks for that, yes. The EU banks today told Brussels that markets are no place for Brexit politics.
In separate news, over 1,400 EU banks have applied to the FCA for a UK licence and to have a base in the UK (so much for financial services all deserting the UK and banks moving to the EU! Remember those scare stories?)
If I've said it once, I've said it a million times, EU businesses, particularly the financial sector, cannot afford to lose access to London. This is where all the action is, like it or not.
And remember that many of those EU bureaucrats are looking forward to cushy jobs in the financial sector when they retire. So they need to keep the banks happy
This is all good news.
Unfortunately, there are people in the UK who resent it when the UK's fortunes are on the up. Over the last 3.5 years they cheered every time the EU scored a goal. Strange lot.
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The Byre
If the world slips headlong into a recession (which is looking mighty likely at the moment) is that good or bad for a smooth and trouble-free Brexit?
I can't make my mind up on that one!
@Clinton - what you have missed is that the German banking scene is riddled with corruption and two days ago, the Frankfurt offices of ABN Amro were raided by a huge contingent of armed police and fraud officers following reports of dividends scalping!
Good meaty stuff like that ain't getting reported over here!
I can't make my mind up on that one!
@Clinton - what you have missed is that the German banking scene is riddled with corruption and two days ago, the Frankfurt offices of ABN Amro were raided by a huge contingent of armed police and fraud officers following reports of dividends scalping!
Good meaty stuff like that ain't getting reported over here!
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The Byre
You find stocks that are up for sale just before healthy dividends are due to be paid and cash-in the dividends and give nothing to the previous owners. Then you sell them. Under German law, those dividends belong to the previous owners. Often the payments are made off the books and via bank employees' private accounts outside of Germany, so it is both fraud and tax evasion.
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Yes, this is a big unknown. Being an island helps a bit I suppose.
There's a lot of dodgy stuff happening in German banking. It's not new. I believe I posted about the Deutche bank saga a year ago (I can't remember whether it was here or in LinkedIn).
The poor ECB is toothless at this point having completely run out of tools to deal with any crisis (interest rates are already negative, and the money tap - QE - has been exhausted). They recognise they're out of monetary tools and are currently requesting governments to use tax cuts and investments to reboot EU economies
And the euro has shot up against USD over the last week which is really, really bad news for the EU. (Note to the Remainers like @Newchodge who were all using the drop in the value of GBP as evidence of why Brexit is bad ...if you had any clue on this topic, in this day and age of currency wars, the fact that GBP dropped is a big win for us!)
I reckon that in a pandemic situation the BoE has a few more tools at its disposal than than the ECB has (though I hope they would use those tools to help the ECB out a bit as Gordon Brown did during the credit crunch).
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Nissan has announced it will build their new ‘Qashqai’ model in its Sunderland plant, despite Britain having left the EU and Brussels threatening tariffs. The same Nissan that took Vote Leave to court for claiming the firm would “stay in the UK whatever the result of the referendum.”
As part of the almost half-billion pound investment, last week a new £52 million production line was announced in order to build the new model, guaranteeing high skilled manufacturing jobs to workers in the North East. Project fear continues to fall to pieces…
As part of the almost half-billion pound investment, last week a new £52 million production line was announced in order to build the new model, guaranteeing high skilled manufacturing jobs to workers in the North East. Project fear continues to fall to pieces…
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Just updating this old thread, for the remoaners who accused Leave of naughty tricks, the Electoral Commission has withdrawn all its false allegations against Aaron Banks.
“Aaron Banks and the CEO of Leave.EU follow in the footsteps of Darren Grimes by winning in the High Court against the Electoral Commission. Today the Electoral Commission agreed terms of settlement over the Electoral Commission’s announcement on 1 November 2018 of its referral of Mr Banks and Ms Bilney to the National Crime Agency for further investigation.
The NCA stated publicly on 24 September 2019 that having investigated the matters referred by the Electoral Commission, it found that there was no evidence of any criminal offences having been committed by Mr Banks and Ms Bilney. The NCA further notified the Electoral Commission that its investigation showed that the monies Mr Banks used to fund the loans came from the group of companies of which Mr Banks was the ultimate beneficial owner. Today the Electoral Commission finally admitted it was wrong on all counts:
The Electoral Commission considers it was right to refer this matter to the NCA for further investigation, but confirms that it accepts (a) the NCA’s conclusions that it found no evidence that any criminal offences have been committed under PPERA or company law by Mr Banks or Ms Bilney; and (b) the NCA had not received any evidence to suggest that Mr Banks or his companies received funding from any third party.
All that nonsense about Russians. Nyet.
The official Electoral Commission statement says
The National Crime Agency, after its own investigation, has (i) concluded that there is no evidence that any criminal offences have been committed under PPERA or company law by any of the individuals or organisations referred to it by the Electoral Commission; and (ii) has stated that it has not received any evidence to suggest that Mr Banks and his companies received funding from any third party to fund the loans subject to the investigation, or that Mr Banks acted as an agent on behalf of a third party. The Electoral Commission accepts these conclusions.
The Commission’s case was absolute nonsense.”
So, I no doubt reckon many will accept things much more easily now.... LOL.
“Aaron Banks and the CEO of Leave.EU follow in the footsteps of Darren Grimes by winning in the High Court against the Electoral Commission. Today the Electoral Commission agreed terms of settlement over the Electoral Commission’s announcement on 1 November 2018 of its referral of Mr Banks and Ms Bilney to the National Crime Agency for further investigation.
The NCA stated publicly on 24 September 2019 that having investigated the matters referred by the Electoral Commission, it found that there was no evidence of any criminal offences having been committed by Mr Banks and Ms Bilney. The NCA further notified the Electoral Commission that its investigation showed that the monies Mr Banks used to fund the loans came from the group of companies of which Mr Banks was the ultimate beneficial owner. Today the Electoral Commission finally admitted it was wrong on all counts:
The Electoral Commission considers it was right to refer this matter to the NCA for further investigation, but confirms that it accepts (a) the NCA’s conclusions that it found no evidence that any criminal offences have been committed under PPERA or company law by Mr Banks or Ms Bilney; and (b) the NCA had not received any evidence to suggest that Mr Banks or his companies received funding from any third party.
All that nonsense about Russians. Nyet.
The official Electoral Commission statement says
The National Crime Agency, after its own investigation, has (i) concluded that there is no evidence that any criminal offences have been committed under PPERA or company law by any of the individuals or organisations referred to it by the Electoral Commission; and (ii) has stated that it has not received any evidence to suggest that Mr Banks and his companies received funding from any third party to fund the loans subject to the investigation, or that Mr Banks acted as an agent on behalf of a third party. The Electoral Commission accepts these conclusions.
The Commission’s case was absolute nonsense.”
So, I no doubt reckon many will accept things much more easily now.... LOL.
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Of course it is a cover up! Aaron Banks must have bought off the NCA (and the EC). That's what people with money do. They are horrible, privately educated exploiters.
Yes, the NCA was bought off. That's the only explanation.
How could Remainers have been wrong about this (or anything)? They are the ones with higher IQs, remember.
Yes, the NCA was bought off. That's the only explanation.
How could Remainers have been wrong about this (or anything)? They are the ones with higher IQs, remember.
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Never mind about the source of the quote, or who said what. The main news here is the humiliation of the NCA and the EC.
The EC mounted a politically motivated campaign and they now have to remove stuff from their website (several pages) and have undertaken to not repeat those claims and accusations.
Here's the full judgement if you really fancy reading it.
The real question is whether Remainers like you will now accept the result of the Referendum was fair.
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Order order website, but the official statement https://www.electoralcommission.org...posner-mr-arron-banks-and-ms-elizabeth-bilney
I know how you love your sources.
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It is important to look at original sources, which show that there has been no judgement - this was an amicable settlement - and that the Electoral Commission has merely stated that it accepts the NCA conclusion that there was no criminal activity, which it had already stated. No damages, no apology, no news quite frankly!
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How can it be classed as fair, when the argument for leaving is based on:
We get our sovereignty back
We can do more fishing
We can limit migration and give jobs to British workers
That was pretty much it. There was no depth to any of the above and quite clearly, the whole 'British jobs for British people' thing has fallen apart already, based on the fact we still have to bring people in from overseas to do so called 'unskilled' jobs - that actually require speed, efficiency and a basic knowledge of the product, something that takes time and training.
Brexit doesn't even guarantee any of the above, because at the moment, today, right now, the UK is not capable of completely changing the way it works and the structures in place do not suit the UK being outside of the EU.
To get the UK properly Brexit ready would take another 5 years at least, hard work, re-training, re-aligning, re-writing everything - the emphasis has been on pulling up the drawbridge and even that doesn't work because the cogs say 'Made in China'.
So, to be 'fair', it would of needed to be an argument that shows Brexit outweighs Remain on lots of key issues but it never did. The analysis and reporting never went that far and the argument came down to who wrote the best headlines and got them in front of the right target audience.
The whole 'Brexit' thing is a lot of fluff anyway. It doesn't mean anything. It was a waste of money. The government could have just as easily spent the last few years re-aligning everything and investing in UK infrastructure and manufacturing, to enable us to be a world leader, Brexit or not, the EU would not of stopped us exporting because it would of aided the group and made them look good.
So, when someone says are you a Brexiteer or a Remoaner, I say non of that matters. Do you want the UK to be successful? If yes, then you need a government that puts the British people at the front of the queue and invests in making the UK excel at every level, instead of dividing the nation and making people argue amongst themselves over an issue that was literally created by some men in a posh pub.
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I don't know what it is with these super smart Remainer people and their high IQs.
@thetiger2015 , it's not "would of" or "should of". It's "would have" and "should have". The abbreviation of "would have" is "would've", not "would of".
And, no, I didn't go to a posh pub to learn that. I learnt it in a primary school in a little village in a freaking third world country.
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No judgement due to there being absolutely no evidence, the Electoral Commission have made themselves look like fools, have had to update their website and withdraw all the false allegations. They also accept the findings that Aaron Banks used his own companies monies, not the alleged “Russian” bungs etc people were accusing him of.
I think their humiliation is complete, you see it as a non story. I bet you would argue differently if the case had gone the other way, then it would have been a big story.
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