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    The European Space Agency has selected Leicester for its new space tech incubation centre. Expected to create 2,500 jobs, the £100m-plus Space Park Leicester development has already attracted global companies including Lockheed Martin, Thales, Airbus and Hewlett Packard.

    Now, wasn’t Brexit meant to destroy manufacturing and investment, yet the ESA themselves are investing in Brexit Britain, strange that.
     
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    The European Space Agency has selected Leicester for its new space tech incubation centre. Expected to create 2,500 jobs, the £100m-plus Space Park Leicester development has already attracted global companies including Lockheed Martin, Thales, Airbus and Hewlett Packard.

    Now, wasn’t Brexit meant to destroy manufacturing and investment, yet the ESA themselves are investing in Brexit Britain, strange that.

    Perhaps the existing facilities in the area helped.
    If can navigate that one way system.... The universe should be no problem.

    Seriously it's good that organisations are looking past the rhetoric, the ideology and the political disagreement.
    Plus we will need some of our own space stuff before long if we cannot agree to keep using foreign stuff.

    Too small an island chain for a catapult system and too far from equator for space elevator base, perhaps we should work on having a spaceport.
    I hear Shetland wants to be in the running for that....
     
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    Satnav requires geostationary satellites or slow-moving MEO (Medium Earth Orbit) satellites. These are LEOs (Low Earth Orbit) that circumnavigate the planet every 1-2 hours, i.e. NOT stationary. Great for communication but 100% useless for the triangulation required for navigation.

    But then you can't expect the PPE grads (a posh version of Media Studies) that populate this government and the upper reaches of the Civil Service to understand such complicated issues!
     
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    Satnav requires geostationary satellites or slow-moving MEO (Medium Earth Orbit) satellites. These are LEOs (Low Earth Orbit) that circumnavigate the planet every 1-2 hours, i.e. NOT stationary. Great for communication but 100% useless for the triangulation required for navigation.

    But then you can't expect the PPE grads (a posh version of Media Studies) that populate this government and the upper reaches of the Civil Service to understand such complicated issues!

    They do understand that sending into Geo orbit costs a lot more money. Look on price list, choose cheapest option....
    Sounds like a good day at the office.
     
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    Satnav requires geostationary satellites or slow-moving MEO (Medium Earth Orbit) satellites. These are LEOs (Low Earth Orbit) that circumnavigate the planet every 1-2 hours, i.e. NOT stationary. Great for communication but 100% useless for the triangulation required for navigation.

    But then you can't expect the PPE grads (a posh version of Media Studies) that populate this government and the upper reaches of the Civil Service to understand such complicated issues!

    Come on @The Byre , stop being such a Guardian reader. How hard can it be to make then orbit somewhere between low and medium and therefore do both?
     
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    I'm not qualified to have an opinion other than to say the Guardian's spin on the story looks a bit one-sided?
    I didn't pay much attention to the Guardian spin, I based it on the expert opinions and explanations. Admittedly they are one-sided, but it is possible that is due to there being no experts with a counter opinion?
     
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    How hard can it be to make then orbit somewhere between low and medium and therefore do both?
    Three words 'Van Allen Belt'. That space is full of charged particles that are very bad for, well, just about anything, satellites included! Quite apart from the fact that you need a COMPLETELY different satellite loaded with totally different transponders, different rockets, different stages - everything.

    Even if the LEOs could magically be used for satnav, you need totally different satellites and transponders and all that goes with them, such as apogee motors and battery and collector arrays. Just as you can make a digger out of a car and a car out of a digger, it's much easier and cheaper to make a car and a digger from the ground up.

    In short - trying to make these relatively cheap (nothing in space is really 'cheap') LEO transponders into satnav transponders would mean a wild escalation of costs - IF it is possible, which at the present state of known technology it is not!

    The desperate people at OneWeb trying to rescue their company will have said "We could give it a try!" and the civil servants hear "We could!" and PPE grads in government hear "We can!" and then off we go to the races!

    "Against stupidity, the gods themselves do battle in vain!"
     
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    JCB has been awarded a contract to supply the U.S. military with a fleet of up to 400 specialised high speed excavators over the next eight years, in a deal worth up to $269 million.
    How many of those vehicles will be built in the UK using UK workers? - And, USD 672,500 sounds rather a lot (Per Vehicle) What next? - The 'Saint Francis of Assisi Speech?'
     
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    How many of those vehicles will be built in the UK using UK workers? - And, USD 672,500 sounds rather a lot (Per Vehicle) What next? - The 'Saint Francis of Assisi Speech?'

    Does it matter who is building the machines?

    Whether the company pays a high price in the UK to produce them or a lower price elsewhere to produce them presumably the company is still making a profit on the deal.
     
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    Following todays events and various other signals
    I am going to make a prediction with six weeks to go

    I think Boris will sign the Theresa May deal with the EU !
     
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    Following todays events and various other signals
    I am going to make a prediction with six weeks to go

    I think Boris will sign the Theresa May deal with the EU !
    Or ask for an extension.

    Events of the last few days. Not so much rats leaving a sinking ship as rats leaving a sinking shiphaving gnaed the hole in the planks that caused the ship to sink.
     
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    Following todays events and various other signals
    I am going to make a prediction with six weeks to go

    I think Boris will sign the Theresa May deal with the EU !

    Well, it's too late to do anything meaningful now isn't it.

    He'll either ignore everything and disappear in to the abyss in January or sign whatever was on the table before, hang on for a bit under the pretense of getting an 'Oven Ready Deal' and then pass the baton on to someone else.

    I don't think they'll go for an extension. This would be seen as a climb down, unless they can use COVID as a delay. That depends if they feel they need one but it looks like they're happy with no deal and leaving everything until January.

    They've also made it clear in recent weeks that it is up to individual businesses to be ready for January. The government will not be held accountable for anything going wrong, as they've said businesses have had a year to plan for this now and everything should be in place. Even though we're still receiving drips of info ourselves suggesting some big changes to product labelling in January.
     
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    They've also made it clear in recent weeks that it is up to individual businesses to be ready for January. The government will not be held accountable for anything going wrong, as they've said businesses have had a year to plan for this now and everything should be in place. Even though we're still receiving drips of info ourselves suggesting some big changes to product labelling in January.
    The UK government keeps sending us reminders that we have to be prepared for Brexit and the new rules that they have not decided on. An ex-army buddy I know runs an airfreight export agency. He called the Department for Business and asked what the new rules were. The girl there asked for his post-code and said that he was in luck. She found someone in his area that could provide him with all the answers.

    She gave him the name of his own export agency.

    I don't think they'll go for an extension. This would be seen as a climb down, unless they can use COVID as a delay.
    He's done U-turns on just about everything else! A U-turn on Brexit would hardly surprise me.

    Johnson has painted himself into a corner. With a collection of very ineffectual ministers flopping haplessly about, UK Plc is nowhere near ready for Brexit, full, Teresa May, partial or, well, of any sort.

    Felixstow container port is breaking down as consumers and wholesalers stockpile. Trucks are backing up NOW. Container ships are being turned away, told that the entire port is ten days behind schedule. Containers are being diverted to Rotterdam, containers have to be reshipped to smaller ports in the UK. More delay.

    That is what is happening today!

    Now add Brexit. Even a Teresa Brexit could cause a breakdown at the ports.

    The economy is on a knife-edge and could tip over into a full-blown depression at the slightest whiff of trouble. Johnson may not be the sharpest of minds but even he realises that much.

    The only viable vaccine needs a massive infrastructure of -80C containers and could only be with us in months, not weeks. Christmas of empty shops and empty pockets could cause civil unrest. If the rich get even richer and the poor become desperate, even the meek and mild English start to throw stuff at shop windows.

    Everywhere Johnson looks, he sees dark clouds. Scotland is about to have an election and the pressures for independence are growing exponentially. NI is getting restless and any talk of borders between rest-UK or RoI will cause trouble.

    Johnson does not want to go down in history as the PM who broke up the United Kingdom. That is the one thing he is trying to avoid. THAT is the real reason Cummings and his cohorts had to go.

    Cummings was the hate figure, the Golom of this government and the one person that would have done everything to prevent super-soft Brexit or an extension. Cummings has probably done more to further the cause of Scottish independence than a whole army of SNP volunteers!

    The EU team knows all this and is getting ready for a very soft Brexit or for an extension. Or possibly some bodge in between those two options.
     
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    Nor me.

    But the bit you left out of your analysis is that a U-turn on Brexit would be the end of the Conservative Party. Or at best the wilderness for a considerable time.

    And the MPs and members who had been in the Conservative party would instead band together in a new group.
    Perhaps calling themselves the Conservation party.

    Name doesn't matter - people will tend to form groups with pretty much the same people.
    Shut down a group, the people who believed in it still gather together in a group. In one form or another.
     
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    Nor me.

    But the bit you left out of your analysis is that a U-turn on Brexit would be the end of the Conservative Party. Or at best the wilderness for a considerable time.
    So some good may come of Brexit after all.
     
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