Vaccine anyone?

[Justin Smith]

Not sure how that works. All the old and vulnerable people I know have been shielding since March so have an almost zero chance of catching Covid. Vaccinating them first will surely make little difference to the infection figures.

Unfortunately you are wrong, as I know from sad first hand experience. My 92 year old father has been self isolating since March, but had to go to A&E with my sister, and they both caught Covid there. I do wonder how many of the people who are "self isolating" really are doing so in the fullest sense of the term and nor can they do so because they're not being "aggressively protected" (as the Barrington scientists wanted).

The story :
My father has been self isolating since March but my sister had to take him to A&E and they both caught Covid there, she is certain of it as the dates all add up. But the point is that if they'd been putting all their resources into aggressively protecting the vulnerable he should never have had to go to A&E, a doctor would have come out to him. And if he, or some other very vulnerable person, had to go to A&E they should have had separate channels for vulnerable and everyone else. It could have been done, but that would mean they would then be a them and us system, which the government didn't want. But as far as Covid goes it is them and us, that is the fact of the matter. So their political correctness killed my father, that's what I truly believe.

 

[Justin Smith]

Mathematical solutions do not work with this government.

From the vaccine queue calculator. The date range was 21/12/2020 to 14/1/2021 when they started so they have slipped 3 months already. This is for an 80 year old.

Your vaccine queue results

Based on your profile, there are between 503,378 and 4,384,545 people in front of you in the queue for a COVID vaccine across the UK.
Given a vaccination rate of 1,000,000 a week and an uptake of 70.6%, you should expect to receive your two doses of vaccine and be fully protected by between 04/04/2021 and 28/05/2021.

‍ Use advanced mode to change the vaccination rate and uptake of the vaccine.

As for the poor rate of vaccination, once enough potential vacciantors have had their diversity training all will be well.....

 

[Mr D]

Unfortunately you are wrong, as I know from sad first hand experience. My 92 year old father has been self isolating since March, but had to go to A&E with my sister, and they both caught Covid there. I do wonder how many of the people who are "self isolating" really are doing so in the fullest sense of the term and nor can they do so because they're not being "aggressively protected" (as the Barrington scientists wanted).

The story :
My father has been self isolating since March but my sister had to take him to A&E and they both caught Covid there, she is certain of it as the dates all add up. But the point is that if they'd been putting all their resources into aggressively protecting the vulnerable he should never have had to go to A&E, a doctor would have come out to him. And if he, or some other very vulnerable person, had to go to A&E they should have had separate channels for vulnerable and everyone else. It could have been done, but that would mean they would then be a them and us system, which the government didn't want. But as far as Covid goes it is them and us, that is the fact of the matter. So their political correctness killed my father, that's what I truly believe.

Can agressively protect them by 100 percent immunising everyone around them.
Or by creating bubbles that totally enclose - such as that nursing home in France where the staff did not see their families for months because they protected those they worked with.

Neither one is workable in the UK though, we are too stupid. We could not even protect people without lockdown earlier in 2020.
Certainly appear far less able to protect people even with tier 4.

 

[Deleted member 59730]

As for the poor rate of vaccination, once enough potential vacciantors have had their diversity training all will be well.....

Its not hard to stick a needle in someone.

A few years ago my wife fell down the stairs in France and spent a week in hospital. Before she was discharged I had to take a prescription to the Pharmacy where I learnt that I would need to give ten days worth of blood thinning injections. The pharmacist taught be what to do in five minutes in French.

 

[Mr D]

As for the poor rate of vaccination, once enough potential vacciantors have had their diversity training all will be well.....

People generally laugh at the requirements such as diversity training.
Those are white I am guessing?

Perhaps instead question why diversity training is needed.

 

[Deleted member 59730]

My father has been self isolating since March but my sister had to take him to A&E and they both caught Covid there, she is certain of it as the dates all add up. But the point is that if they'd been putting all their resources into aggressively protecting the vulnerable he should never have had to go to A&E, a doctor would have come out to him. And if he, or some other very vulnerable person, had to go to A&E they should have had separate channels for vulnerable and everyone else. It could have been done, but that would mean they would then be a them and us system, which the government didn't want. But as far as Covid goes it is them and us, that is the fact of the matter. So their political correctness killed my father, that's what I truly believe.

Sorry to hear about your father.

When this pandemic started Cornwall's main hospital had a very poor reputation and they did make a few mistakes in the very early days. However they have got organised splendidly. Covid patients have no contact with ordinary A&E. They have also moved services to some of the small district hospitals.

 

[Clodbuster]

They should put the vaccine in the beer, open the pubs - the whole country would be sorted in 2 days or too drunk to care.

 

[fisicx]

Not sure where you got that :

Israel began vaccinations on 19 December and is delivering jabs to about 150,000 people a day, with priority given to the over-60s, health workers and people who are clinically vulnerable.

Over 60 and health workers are not in the vulnerable group. I’m classed as vulnerable but according to the gov I’m in group 4. It’s going to take many months to vaccinate everyone twice. Not because it’s difficult but just because of the logistics.

 

[Mr D]

They should put the vaccine in the beer, open the pubs - the whole country would be sorted in 2 days or too drunk to care.

And infection numbers would be in the millions each day.

 

[Mr D]

Over 60 and health workers are not in the vulnerable group. I’m classed as vulnerable but according to the gov I’m in group 4. It’s going to take many months to vaccinate everyone twice. Not because it’s difficult but just because of the logistics.

I'm vulnerable, carer of a vulnerable person and we are both key workers.
No special priority and vulnerable group is pretty large in its own right. Least I can stay home most of the time.

 

[Justin Smith]

Its not hard to stick a needle in someone.

A few years ago my wife fell down the stairs in France and spent a week in hospital. Before she was discharged I had to take a prescription to the Pharmacy where I learnt that I would need to give ten days worth of blood thinning injections. The pharmacist taught be what to do in five minutes in French.

I was taking the p1ss.....

 

[Justin Smith]

And infection numbers would be in the millions each day.

He was taking the p1ss....

 

[Ian J]

It’s only about a 3 minute read, I do recommend you all take a look at it and think what you decisions you would make.

https://robeastaway.com/blog/vaccination

Malwarebytes blocked access to the site saying that it contained a Trojan

 

[Mr D]

He was taking the p1ss....

He should put it back in the beer where it belongs!

 

[DontAsk]

I am fully aware he was dying anyway hard as that was to accept, and he'd had a bloody good and long life the lucky sod ! But he almost certainly caught Covid at A&E which he should never have been required to go to, and, going by his symptoms, it was the Covid that actually did for him in the end.

In that situation, yes. If, however, covid had never happened and he was not self isolating he could have caught something else or had a mishap and died sooner.

In other words he may actually have lived longer due to covid imposing the self isolation.

[I was going to post this yesterday but decided not to as it's a sensitive subject but you have brought it up again in other posts.]

 

[Justin Smith]

In that situation, yes. If, however, covid had never happened and he was not self isolating he could have caught something else or had a mishap and died sooner.

In other words he may actually have lived longer due to covid imposing the self isolation.

[I was going to post this yesterday but decided not to as it's a sensitive subject but you have brought it up again in other posts.]

Well I think it's a fair point I suppose.

 

[Deleted member 59730]

And while we debate priority I think I should be high on the list for the Oxford vaccine because I was born in Oxford.

 

[Clodbuster]

And while we debate priority I think I should be high on the list for the Oxford vaccine because I was born in Oxford.

Yeah right - that was when? 1910. I drove through there about 10 years ago - me first.

 

[Deleted member 59730]

Yeah right - that was when? 1910. I drove through there about 10 years ago - me first.

No one drives through Oxford unless they are lost.

 

[Newchodge]

And while we debate priority I think I should be high on the list for the Oxford vaccine because I was born in Oxford.

I should be high on the list as I once visited my brother at university in .... Cambridge.

 

[WaveJumper]

I notice it did not take Rynair long to come up with the advert 'Jab & Go'

 

[Deleted member 59730]

I should be high on the list as I once visited my brother at university in .... Cambridge.

OK you have the Cambridge Vaccine.

 

[simon field]

I have a tin of OXtail soup in my cupboard, and once owned a FORD Mondeo.

Am I in or?

 

[Deleted member 59730]

No one who ever owned a Ford Mondeo should be a priority. Almost as bad as the Morris 1100 I once owned.

 

[Clodbuster]

Ford Mondeo - back of the queue.

 

[Ian J]

Almost as bad as the Morris 1100 I once owned.

Nowt wrong with them as I learnt to drive in one

 

[Deleted member 59730]

Read the perfect answer to those who dismiss Covid as it only affects vulnerable people. With that reasoning Harold Shipman never killed anyone.

 

[Justin Smith]

Read the perfect answer to those who dismiss Covid as it only affects vulnerable people. With that reasoning Harold Shipman never killed anyone.

Nobody has ever said it only affects vulnerable people, but it is a numbers game.
A vulnerable person has far higher chance of death or serious illness, my Dad at the extreme, he probably had a 1 in 3 chance of death, possibly lower. That said, my Aunty Betty is 91 and in a home with advanced dementia, she tested positive for Covid and was asymptomatic !
I'm a fit slim non smoking man in my mid 50s, so my chances are far greater, possibly 1 in 500.
My nephews and nieces aged early 20s and no existing health problems chances go into the stratosphere, probably 1 in 10,000 or maybe even less. They are far more likely to get killed in an RTA (in any one year) than die of Covid.
My son, he'll be 8 in Feb and has no existing conditions (other than poor hearing whenever his parents try to get him to do anything....), has as close to zero chance of dying from Covid as it is possible to get [without it actually being zero].

 

[fisicx]

the vulnerable are already shielding and staying at home but hospitals are still hovering on the brink.

you may have a low change of becoming ill but enough people are being admitted to hospital to fill up all the spare beds.

 

[simon field]

Don’t the nhs have a crisis every winter though?

With 9 months to prepare, billions of pounds pumped into it, and delaying/ cancelling other treatments what have they been doing?

 

[Mr D]

Don’t the nhs have a crisis every winter though?

With 9 months to prepare, billions of pounds pumped into it, and delaying/ cancelling other treatments what have they been doing?

Yes.
Crisis with flu etc. Now add in a few tens of thousands of covid patients and take away a bunch of beds because they are on the wrong type of ward.

9 months - where exactly are the spare staff coming from?
Staff shielding, staff off sick, staff isolating. Then have a plan to lose a bunch of staff to nightingale facilities.

 

[DontAsk]

Don’t the nhs have a crisis every winter though?

With 9 months to prepare, billions of pounds pumped into it, and delaying/ cancelling other treatments what have they been doing?

Same as they do for flu every year, knowing it will blow over and the press will move on to something else.

 

[simon field]

Much less flu about this year due to the draconian restrictions. If I needed extra staff in 9 months time I wouldn’t leave it till the last minute before trying to work out what to do, would you?

 

[Mr D]

the vulnerable are already shielding and staying at home but hospitals are still hovering on the brink.

you may have a low change of becoming ill but enough people are being admitted to hospital to fill up all the spare beds.

Even the death average age suggests that a lot of people dying are not the oldest.

You take away most of the youngsters from the covid average age of death because most are not dying. Yet average age still very close to the normal death average which includes everyone who dies of old age!

Shielding people should have lower risk of getting the virus than average. You and I choose to go shopping. It's a risk but one we accept.

 

[Mr D]

Much less flu about this year due to the draconian restrictions. If I needed extra staff in 9 months time I wouldn’t leave it till the last minute before trying to work out what to do, would you?

Where you recruiting these extra staff from?

 

[simon field]

Where you recruiting these extra staff from?

Me? I’d use the hugely popular recruitment sites, like indeed for example.

However, mine is just a tinpot cottage industry little business, not a taxpayer-funded multi-billion pound organisation with access to a wealth of knowledge and know-how.

 

[Mr D]

Me? I’d use the hugely popular recruitment sites, like indeed for example.

However, mine is just a tinpot cottage industry little business, not a taxpayer-funded multi-billion pound organisation with access to a wealth of knowledge and know-how.

So in other words you have no idea.

Great that you gave the government 9 months to get extra staff in. Pity they needed 15 years notice eh?

 

[simon field]

So in other words you have no idea.

Great that you gave the government 9 months to get extra staff in. Pity they needed 15 years notice eh?

No, I didn’t say I have no idea, I said I’d use a job recruitment site - a place where those seeking and/or offering work, gather. Please try to keep up.

In fact, first of all I’d probably use referrals, word of mouth, recommendations. Talk to people in the industry.

How ‘bout you? What would you do if someone placed a big order and you needed more staff?

 

[Mr D]

No, I didn’t say I have no idea, I said I’d use a job recruitment site - a place where those seeking and/or offering work, gather. Please try to keep up.

In fact, first of all I’d probably use referrals, word of mouth, recommendations. Talk to people in the industry.

How ‘bout you? What would you do if someone placed a big order and you needed more staff?

As you said, you have no idea.

As there do not appear to be any more staff available the hospitals have to make do with the staff they have, subject of course to shielding, isolating, sick and of course pulled away to nightingale places.
Perhaps they can cope with fewer more exhausted staff on the wards - but some people will suffer and some more may die because of it.
Not helped by pushing some foreign staff to leave in past 4 years.

 

[simon field]

No, s

As you said, you have no idea.

As there do not appear to be any more staff available the hospitals have to make do with the staff they have, subject of course to shielding, isolating, sick and of course pulled away to nightingale places.
Perhaps they can cope with fewer more exhausted staff on the wards - but some people will suffer and some more may die because of it.
Not helped by pushing some foreign staff to leave in past 4 years.

Sorry, no, you keep misquoting me - which is poor forum etiquette.

Go debate with your cat.