Chinese virus

[UKSBD]

And one of those employees has an offspring who has just come to visit them immediately after their return from a holiday in the affected part of Italy. What do you think such an employer should do?

Although I don't like it or agree with it.

If the contract allows it, don't give them any hours work for the immediate time period.

If the contract doesn't allow it and they have been there less than 2 years, dismiss them and either employ agency staff or people on zero hour contracts.

If they have been there longer than 2 years get written guidance from health body or whoever care homes are licenced under.

The alternative is probably going to be the closure of lots of independent care homes which will be even worse.

 

[Newchodge]

Although I don't like it or agree with it.

If the contract allows it, don't give them any hours work for the immediate time period.

If the contract doesn't allow it and they have been there less than 2 years, dismiss them and either employ agency staff or people on zero hour contracts.

If they have been there longer than 2 years get written guidance from health body or whoever care homes are licenced under.

The alternative is probably going to be the closure of lots of independent care homes which will be even worse.

And if the employee doesn't, understandably, mention any of this to their employer?

 

[UKSBD]

And if the employee doesn't, understandably, mention any of this to their employer?

What's the question?

Are you asking from a business/employment/HR viewpoint or just a general viewpoint?

 

[Newchodge]

What's the question?

Are you asking from a business/employment/HR viewpoint or just a general viewpoint?

I am raising the issue because I think it is going to become important. I don't know the answer, if there is one, but I think all employers need to give it some thought.

 

[KAC]

And when the sniffles turn out to have been a common cold, the whole school has been shut down, parents have had to stay off work to look after kids, businesses have failed to carry out their obligations because they have no staff, family debt increases as the parents looking after children have no rightr to any pay.

From the available figures there have been 0 fatalities in those under the age of 9.

If someone has the sniffles and it is Covid-19 they will already have been infectious for some time.

I am all for effective and efficient measures to control the spread of any disease, but the current level of both hysteria and stupidity is not helping anything, while potentially creating the worst global economic crisis since 2008.

In the UAE, plans are being made for the possible future closure of all schools. Children would be home schooled and teachers are being made aware of the consequent need to provide online support, Extracurricular activities already cancelled.

 

[UKSBD]

I am raising the issue because I think it is going to become important. I don't know the answer, if there is one, but I think all employers need to give it some thought.

We quite often hear/read that employers aren't medically trained and shouldn't query when employees say they are ill.

Do you think if an employer just suspects someone may be ill, they now act on it?

 

[UKSBD]

I am raising the issue because I think it is going to become important. I don't know the answer, if there is one, but I think all employers need to give it some thought.

This is what I suspect will happen.

Guidance will be produced that if followed 100% to the letter would mean businesses have to close.

The guidance will be passed down from the owner to a manager, to another manager, to a HR person, who will be pressurised to turn a blind eye to some of the guidance.

If nothing goes wrong all will be fine

If something goes drastically wrong the owner passes the buck to the manager, who passes the buck down the line until they find the person who Okayed things and the blame will try to be pinned on them.

 

[Mr D]

Trusts have been told to ensure staff have been trained and fitted for specialist equipment and it said any member of staff who has to self-isolate as a result of fears they may be infected with the virus should get full-pay. This includes temporary staff and sub-contractors.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-nhs-declares-national-major-170100029.html

 

[Newchodge]

We quite often hear/read that employers aren't medically trained and shouldn't query when employees say they are ill.

Do you think if an employer just suspects someone may be ill, they now act on it?

That has nothing to do with the point I am making.

People are being told that they should self isolate for up to 14 days because they may have come into contact with the virus. There is currently no way they can be compelled to self isolate.

If someone self isolates and they have written medical advice to do so and they are entitled to SSP, they should get SSP. Otherwise they are legally entitled to nothing.

What plans are employers making to deal with self-isolation?

If an employer sticks with the legal minimum many low paid people would receive nothing during a period of self isolation. Many low paid people work in industries that may be susceptible to Covid-19 - care, hospitaity, retail. Many of those will ignore advice to self isolate as they cannot afford to do so.

So what do employers plan to do about self-isolation?

 

[Mr D]

That has nothing to do with the point I am making.

People are being told that they should self isolate for up to 14 days because they may have come into contact with the virus. There is currently no way they can be compelled to self isolate.

If someone self isolates and they have written medical advice to do so and they are entitled to SSP, they should get SSP. Otherwise they are legally entitled to nothing.

What plans are employers making to deal with self-isolation?

If an employer sticks with the legal minimum many low paid people would receive nothing during a period of self isolation. Many low paid people work in industries that may be susceptible to Covid-19 - care, hospitaity, retail. Many of those will ignore advice to self isolate as they cannot afford to do so.

So what do employers plan to do about self-isolation?

Government document on coronavirus.
They appear willing to compel individuals.

Though the idea of written medical advice - who can give that? A GP a couple of weeks after self quarantine has finished?

4.8 New regulations introduced in England under public health legislation provide new powers for medical professionals, public health professionals and the police to allow them to detain and direct individuals in quarantined areas at risk or suspected of having the virus. In Scotland Health Boards have powers to place restrictions on the activities of individuals who are known to have the disease, or have been exposed to the disease, and to prohibit them from entering or remaining in any place. Boards may also apply for court orders for quarantine and medical examination. In Wales, local authorities have powers to apply for an order to be made by the Justice of the Peace to isolate, detain or require individuals to undergo medical examination. Similar powers are available to the Public Health Agency in Northern Ireland. Welsh Ministers also have powers to make regulations equivalent to those now in place in England if the level of risk increases

 

[Forgot password]

What I don’t get is the fact that of all the 50 odd Brits infected of which many were weeks ago so I would imagine are now recovered (not spoken about though in the media) so assuming that’s 20ish recovered so 30ish currently infected but none in ICU.

And this thing is apparently so easily transmissible then why aren’t these people’s nearest and dearest coming down with it? Surely Jo bloggs with the virus has kissed his wife/mother and shaken hands with his father in law and gone to the toilet immediately after his sister when he visited last Wednesday.

Just doesn’t all add up to me.. IF I was a conspiracy theorist I would have my money on ‘create fear then solution’ ie forced vaccinations welcomed by the masses.

 

[UKSBD]

So what do employers plan to do about self-isolation?

I would imagine most will be trying to find out what they "can" do.

I would like to hear the answer from any employers here though.

What are you planning on doing? if you've even thought about it yet.
(maybe you should start a new thread asking the question)

 

[DontAsk]

Just doesn’t all add up to me.. IF I was a conspiracy theorist I would have my money on ‘create fear then solution’ ie forced vaccinations welcomed by the masses.

HL Mencken “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

 

[ecommerce84]

What I don’t get is the fact that of all the 50 odd Brits infected of which many were weeks ago so I would imagine are now recovered (not spoken about though in the media) so assuming that’s 20ish recovered so 30ish currently infected but none in ICU.

And this thing is apparently so easily transmissible then why aren’t these people’s nearest and dearest coming down with it? Surely Jo bloggs with the virus has kissed his wife/mother and shaken hands with his father in law and gone to the toilet immediately after his sister when he visited last Wednesday.

Just doesn’t all add up to me.. IF I was a conspiracy theorist I would have my money on ‘create fear then solution’ ie forced vaccinations welcomed by the masses.

8 of the 51 cases in the UK have been confirmed as recovered according to this: https://www.worldometers.info/Coronavirus/

I imagine many more people have had it and recovered than is known hence the mortality rate is being reported far higher than it really is.

 

[Mr D]

What I don’t get is the fact that of all the 50 odd Brits infected of which many were weeks ago so I would imagine are now recovered (not spoken about though in the media) so assuming that’s 20ish recovered so 30ish currently infected but none in ICU.

And this thing is apparently so easily transmissible then why aren’t these people’s nearest and dearest coming down with it? Surely Jo bloggs with the virus has kissed his wife/mother and shaken hands with his father in law and gone to the toilet immediately after his sister when he visited last Wednesday.

Just doesn’t all add up to me.. IF I was a conspiracy theorist I would have my money on ‘create fear then solution’ ie forced vaccinations welcomed by the masses.

50 odd brits - of which a few days ago there were less than 20.
At least 8 have recovered weeks ago.

Give the 30 odd most recent time to become ill enough to need ICU. Or perhaps some of them do need it but you aren't being told - do you have a breakdown yet of hospital admittance, serious and ICU cases?

Perhaps the nearest and dearest are coming down with it. Reports from elsewhere suggest that family members often show positive days later.
How long is the person infectious for before showing positive? How long is incubation period for before showing positive?

Give it time - some of those 51 will indeed meet your requirements regarding ICU and family members.

 

[Mr D]

HL Mencken “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Are they related to the heamagoblins who live in blood?

Trouble is, the populace is sometimes not alarmed enough. And it costs them.

 

[Forgot password]

50 odd brits - of which a few days ago there were less than 20.
At least 8 have recovered weeks ago.

Give the 30 odd most recent time to become ill enough to need ICU. Or perhaps some of them do need it but you aren't being told - do you have a breakdown yet of hospital admittance, serious and ICU cases?

Perhaps the nearest and dearest are coming down with it. Reports from elsewhere suggest that family members often show positive days later.
How long is the person infectious for before showing positive? How long is incubation period for before showing positive?

Give it time - some of those 51 will indeed meet your requirements regarding ICU and family members.

Reports from the 8 recovered have not surfaced that there family members showed positive from weeks and weeks ago.

Where are the interviews from people who have had it on sky news highlighting their survival stories? Surely that would be something most outlets would be fighting for.

Mr D I think you are the perfect target audience that the media drool over.

 

[Mr D]

Reports from the 8 recovered have not surfaced that there family members showed positive from weeks and weeks ago.

Where are the interviews from people who have had it on sky news highlighting their survival stories? Surely that would be something most outlets would be fighting for.

Mr D I think you are the perfect target audience that the media drool over.

Do you know the circumstances of the 8?
Where they picked up the virus, who they had contact with etc?
And how many of the later ones had contact with the 8?

Or are you clutching at straws?

Interviews from people who have had it? I'm not sure you know what news is.

Yes I'm the perfect target audience, I look for the inconsistencies, the problems, the target audience of the story being told.
And looking at the current figures worldwide, UK and US governments are not reporting the full numbers.
UK not reporting all diagnosed, US not being able to even check as many as they need to.

 

[Mr D]

I've used a 10 day 'infected numbers' prior to the current death numbers (based on official figures) .

The death % rate for the past 10 days has fluctuated between 3.69 to 3.96.

Looks like you were pretty close with your figures.

17:36
BreakingCovid-19 fatality rate for reported cases is 3.4% - WHO
The head of the World Health Organization (WHO) says about 3.4% of those confirmed to have been infected with the new coronavirus have died - which would suggest a much higher fatality rate than seasonal flu, at less than 1%.

However, the figure is based on the number of deaths recorded worldwide so far, relative to total confirmed cases - and there are likely to be thousands of coronavirus cases that have not been recorded.

Death rates may vary from country to country, too, as some are better at spotting the milder, harder to count cases than others.

For more information on the difficulties of working out the death rate, see our helpful guide.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51716375

 

[Forgot password]

First time I have seen you ruffled Mr D. Let me play you at your own game and ask you how you know the government is not reporting all numbers. Go on what’s your source?

One thing I know about the 8 is IF any of there immediate family members had been infected especially the lovers who have exchanged silva then it would be front news in the newspaper you have in your hand ie the Daily Express

 

[DontAsk]

there are likely to be thousands of coronavirus cases that have not been recorded.

In which case 3.4% is an overestimate.

 

[Mr D]

First time I have seen you ruffled Mr D. Let me play you at your own game and ask you how you know the government is not reporting all numbers. Go on what’s your source?

One thing I know about the 8 is IF any of there immediate family members had been infected especially the lovers who have exchanged silva then it would be front news in the newspaper you have in your hand ie the Daily Express

You have never seen me ruffled.

I know a lady who isn't yet part of the official statistics. She had her positive diagnosis Friday.
If there's one maybe there's more than one. Or maybe the figures get updated only several days later when someone opens the post in London.
Scotland has so far how many cases reported in the media?


I don't have any newspaper in my hand. I have a keyboard in front of me, linked to a laptop.
If I had a newspaper in my hand I'd find my typing speed much slower.

Whatever gives you the idea that immediate family members getting infected would be front page news of any newspaper?
Do the papers you read usually have front page stories about dogs biting, cats scratching or birds singing? Or do they try and stick to what they like to call 'news'?

You don't know much about the 8 that recovered. Hence you clutch at straws.
You want there to be far more people infected rather than quarantine methods working.

 

[Mr D]

In which case 3.4% is an overestimate.

Then tell them they need a new method. Perhaps suggest to them what the method should be.
Then tell the historians to rewrite all the history books that deal with any diseases or illnesses prior to this point in time so they can use your new and better method.

 

[Forgot password]

Please give me the name of the lady you know who has the virus that the government is covering up so I can fully check out the truth of this statement and then I can take the government to task about under reporting and uncover the mass reality you know about here and in the US. Please reveal all your evidence and sources.

I think from now on you should be known as Mr G not Mr D

 

[MOIC]

I have just heard (from eminent doctors in the UK) that it's taking 3 days to get the results after testing for the virus.

Meanwhile the person having the test is allowed to go home and mix normally.

There has been one case where a person has been tested and his wife is a primary school teacher with close contact to hundreds of kids every day.

Madness or what??

In China there are tests where the results are seen within hours (CT scans within minutes).

Have we learnt nothing on the testing methods and equipment used in China?

 

[Forgot password]

Are you and Mr G (Gullible) the same person?

 

[MOIC]

Are you and Mr G (Gullible) the same person?

Yep, you've rumbled us, me, us, me, us . . . . . . .

Let me guess . . . . . .you are in a queue tomorrow at a supermarket, bank, airline queue and the person in front of you start's coughing . . . . . . . .you will be the first to take one step (or ten steps) back.

Absolutely continue with your daily life, just take precautions.

 

[Forgot password]

Believe it or not I am at Stamford bridge with 50,000 other people all shouting, spitting by cheering and touching each other especially just 5mins ago when we scored and loving every minute.

Will try to get your warnings on the big screen though.

 

[MOIC]

Haha . . .I knew you had to be a football hooligan! Hope you beat Liverpool, I'm watching it too, in the comfort of my China apartment at 5.15am!

If we (Arsenal) get you in the next round, I'll meet you for a drink!

Watch out for the big screen, may show some more positive infections.

Make sure you wash your hands thoroughly after shaking everyone's hands (I bet you will)!

How did Pedro miss!!

 

[UKSBD]

Or maybe the figures get updated only several days later when someone opens the post in London.

Updated every day from now on at 2pm - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

 

[Forgot password]

At last a bit of banter! Love it, If there is a real medical scare then fun and laughter is the best medicine.

Your posts just like the gunners are full of woffle that seem to scream ‘look at me I know everything and am the person in the know’ even though you are one of 1.2 billion people in China yes 1.2 billion and a few thousand have apparently died. More die in the UK each week of heart failure and we only have 77 million ish.

When one person of your 200 odd circle of contacts/friends/family in the UK dies of the virus come back to me and we will have that drink and I will promise to completely lick the rim of your glass after you have had a sip from it.

Cheers

 

[UKSBD]

Please give me the name of the lady you know who has the virus that the government is covering up so I can fully check out the truth of this statement and then I can take the government to task about under reporting and uncover the mass reality you know about here and in the US. Please reveal all your evidence and sources.

I think from now on you should be known as Mr G not Mr D

"Ms Sturgeon said the Tayside patient remained the only case in Scotland, although more were expected to be confirmed in the coming days and weeks."

source: https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/f...f-medical-officer-said-in-their-update-today/

 

[MOIC]

If there is a real medical scare

You make me laugh.

BTW, you've under calculated the population of China by over 240 million, last count was 1.44 Billion.

I'll count again, just to make sure, 1,2,3,4 . . . . .

Enjoy your win!

 

[Forgot password]

Ah good a extra 240 million to dilute the supposed death rate that you keep getting moist about.

Liverpool- 2 losses now in two games ...... also as a gambling man won big tonight on Chles and Newcastle winning so a happy boy.

Keep in touch about the death in your immediate circle in the UK from the virus as need a good night out soon.

 

[MOIC]

Oh dear.

 

[Mr D]

Please give me the name of the lady you know who has the virus that the government is covering up so I can fully check out the truth of this statement and then I can take the government to task about under reporting and uncover the mass reality you know about here and in the US. Please reveal all your evidence and sources.

I think from now on you should be known as Mr G not Mr D

What will giving her name do?
You cannot track her.

The US - read up on the lack of testing in New York. Or I can find the doctor's quote tomorrow for you if you have trouble googling.

Mr G is someone else.

 

[Mr D]

Updated every day from now on at 2pm - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

Great.
Be nice if they included all those diagnosed.

 

[Mr D]

I have just heard (from eminent doctors in the UK) that it's taking 3 days to get the results after testing for the virus.

Meanwhile the person having the test is allowed to go home and mix normally.

There has been one case where a person has been tested and his wife is a primary school teacher with close contact to hundreds of kids every day.

Madness or what??

In China there are tests where the results are seen within hours (CT scans within minutes).

Have we learnt nothing on the testing methods and equipment used in China?

Indeed. China often gets blamed for stuff it's government does or does not do.

They do appear more capable of some stuff than we are.

 

[Mr D]

Updated every day from now on at 2pm - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

You would hope there is some method of telling whoever is updating the site the results from tests run across the country.
Mail, fax, email, phone, pixies or whatever method is in.

 

[Forgot password]

What will giving her name do?
You cannot track her.

The US - read up on the lack of testing in New York. Or I can find the doctor's quote tomorrow for you if you have trouble googling.

Mr G is someone else.

Will substantiate your credibility as what seems clear by your posts is that you write the narrative to suit your perceived ‘expertise’ on the matter and throw sarcasm to others who think otherwise.

To be clear - you quote official government figures to back up your claims then you completely turn tail and say the complete opposite to say the government/s are completely lying to cover things up.

So what exactly is your stance? Please tell us all the truth on facts and figures and your secret role within the know so we all know exactly where we are at.

Please start with the lady’s name in the road around the corner from you who the government are covering up but you know about.. then go on to tell us all how the 8 previously infected but now infected Free who swapped spit with their partners plus shook hands with there mother/father in laws and cuddled/kissed their children and shared a door knob with mother/father/sister/brother but none of the aforementioned have been reported/connected to the infected in the press plus the 1000’s you say are in ICU that no one on the whole of social media have reported (come to think of it I have seen not one person on Twitter or instagram reporting a friend/family with the killer virus)

You always say to others believe what you will and massage the figures to suit. I would say the same to you but your problem is that the figures you seem to trust/believe are the same figures you also seem to deny and disbelieve.

For the record Mr G what is your stance on this shizzle? C’mon let’s have it on record so we know where your at as you can’t have it both ways and please please answer these two questions so we all know where we stand on the b/s radar with you.

1. The name/contact of the secret woman you know with the Coronavirus but the UK secret squirrel is hiding from us.

2. Why in your opinion has this highly transmittable killer virus not been transferred from the 8 now healthy people who have recovered to the immediate people in their circles that they have swapped spit with in love making or cuddles/hand shaking or surface touching that would have been 100% reported if so in your media?

3. Just a added bonus- why no interviews with any of the UK infected as surely as you know as a media darling and dramatist this would be a great story/interview.

Like I said to your alter ego office in China please let me know when a member of your 200 odd circle of friends/family die of this perceived virus and I will donate £1k to you or a charity of your choice.