Cartridge World Franchise

Cameron

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Hi,
Has anyone on the forum got any experience of a Cartridge World franchise. Looking at the possibility of starting one.

Cameron
 
It's not rocket science, refilling cartridges - could you not do it yourself without the expense of using the Cartridge World name ?
 
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Cannot comment on Cartridge World, but a combination of a retail lease and a franchise agreement is not something to be undertaken lightly IMHO.
 
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Plymouth had a Cartridge World store on one of the busiest roads (Mutley Plain) in too Plymouth city centre – it has now closed – at a guess I would say at least 10,000 cars, vans and trucks went up and down that road every day and they couldn’t make it work with all that free advertising!
 
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A very tough business to get into.
I would suggest that you fully investigate other cartridge world franchisees yourself (don't rely on the info they give you in the glossy sales brochures) Hang around outside a few for a few hours, try and estimate what sales they are making.

I would say it is 10 years too late for that type of business.
But if you do decide to go for it then good luck!
 
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Yes, very good point. I think more and more business on going onlne now. I think the franchise is around £45k to £60k plus legals etc...

Plymouth had a Cartridge World store on one of the busiest roads (Mutley Plain) in too Plymouth city centre – it has now closed – at a guess I would say at least 10,000 cars, vans and trucks went up and down that road every day and they couldn’t make it work with all that free advertising!
 
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Unless the name is worth what you are paying for it, I would seriously think about it. What do you get for your money? Cartridge World is a brand, no denying that, but will that brand name bring you in enough customers to cover the cost?

If you get lots of training and support that you couldn't get elsewhere, then cost out that training and support to see if it's value for money. Talk to people who have got rid of the franchise as much as you do those who are still in it. What on going costs are they charging you for? What percentage do they want? Are you also expected to pay for National advertising? Can you sell other stuff or offer other services or are you tied in with them. Can you buy your own toner at the prices you negotiate or must you use their toner and buy it in at the price they determine?

Above all, remember that McDonalds do NOT sell burgers- they sell franchises and make an awful lot of money doing it.

Done properly, franchises can be good for all concerned but the agreement will always favour the franchisor rather than the franchisee.
 
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Yes, very good point. I think more and more business on going onlne now. I think the franchise is around £45k to £60k plus legals etc...


That sounds like a lot to learn how to squirt ink into a cartridge!


Just glanced at their website

"If you’d like to buy your cheap Cartridge World printer cartridges online then be the first to know, by filling in the simple form below. As soon as our online store is up and running, we’ll email you and let you know."

The first question I'd ask is who gets the online business - the franchisee or the franchisor?. If its the latter - run. One of your major competitors would be your franchisor :eek:
 
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Seriously low fees with no quibble 100% money back guarantees does not instil much fail in me that I could produce any sort of income from this business. I have used similar and perhaps the same but only ever online. I would not dream of going to a physical store.
 
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I have to say I used cartridge world one, and never again. The ink in there never last as long as the original, so im guessing they dont fill the up as much. This may give the more profit short term, but long term customers are not stupid and know what there doing and so in turn will not use them.

I now use a website called cartidge people based in Jersey, fab prices and quick delivery to your door. I guess it is yet another example of the internet shutting the door on real shops, but if their prices and service / delivery are good what else is there to do ?

Jason
 
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Cartridge World is not for me. It feels cheap to me... and not in the good sense of the word.

You need to do some really critical market research - to find out if there enough people that don't think like me.

Good luck with a tough decision... please be very objective !
 
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Just filled an inkjet cartridge last night with my emergency supply of ink from Asda.

Colour laser here we come ASAP.
 
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Do your research before committing your signature to a contract. Find out if you are tied into Cartridge Worlds' products only, or are you able to offer branded OEM's as an additional option. What volume of refilled cartridges are you expected to turn over per month and at what fixed price - it's a competitive market.
 
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There is one near me but I seldom use it. My 3060 toner was running out, I phoned my local cartridge world they wanted £40 to refill it. A google search found a shop selling none OEM ones for £18 so I bought that. Not tried it yet though as it came came today and not in the office until tomorrow.

I do buy all the toners for my other laser online though, and never have any issue with the cheap clone toners.

That said my local Cartridge World has been there a long time.
 
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I think that it is Cartridge World that have a clause in their franchise agreement that you cannot sell your franchise below the initial cost.

So if you do not make the amount of money that they claim you might make, you will be forced to try to sell at a price that is unrealistic and no one will buy it. Your only option would be to give it back to Cartridge World and allow them to sell it again as a virgin territory for the same price, with their suggestion that someone else could make money out of it.
 
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Like others I have used them in the past but never again. I think at the time it was something like £50 to refill a HP laserjet cartridge when I could have bought a new one for about £70. In practice it lasted half the capacity of a full cartridge.

The other thing I noticed is that they will happily sell another franchise a few miles away from an existing site, something to be aware of!

As others have said and what I have always said for years about franchises in general is consider the cost vs doing it yourself. Many of these cons, oops I mean franchise opps give you very little for your money and are often built on unproven business models.

I would say unless its mcd's, subway or snap-on forget it.

Gary
 
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from personal experience i would avoid a franchise like the plague. there is no regulatory body in the uk that oversees franchising unlike the usa where franchising is regulated in every state. i know a lot of people that have lost lots of money to franchise companies. franchise agreements are set up completely in favour of the franchisor, banks are keen to lend money to franchisees but always ask for security ( the banks obviously don't have a lot of faith in franchise companies )
 
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Perhaps a bit late to join in on the debate, however, for what it's worth I'll give my opinion.

I joined Cartridge World as a franchisee just after their launch in the UK, at that time we had a unique selling point which was that we could provide a cheaper alternative to buying an original manufacturers cartridge (at that time you were limited to PC World, Office World and a few high street computer shops for your cartridges). The principle was sound we would save the customer up to half of the cost of buying a new cartridge and profit margins, in relation to the cost of ink, labour and packaging, were high.

For some years the franchise performed well and the number of stores in the UK grew to around 300 in 2005. However, technology never stands still and the original manufacturers began to make refilling more of a challenge - producing awkward, less robust cartridges which, in most cases had an embedded microchip. The microchips were a real pain; printers wouldn't accept cartridges without a replacement chip. Initially it would take the remanufacturing industry months to release a replacement chip, latterly, because of the increasing complexity of the chips, the solution could take years to develop and during this time you could only sell the original product at a much lower margin. Often the replacement chips, because of the R&D involved in producing them cost almost as much as a new cartridge. The cost of chips as well as the astronomical cost of buying in empty cartridges had a negative effect on profit margin.

However, the biggest impact on the business was the decline in high street retail and the move towards internet shopping. The customers we appealed to were, by and large, those who were looking to save money - these customers could see the real savings by buying on-line and that's where they went. Cartridge World just can't compete on that basis, a franchise retail presence is expensive; rent, rates, staff, utility costs, royalty fees etc.

Cartridge World now has around 170 stores in the UK, almost half the number it had 8 years ago. And the original manufacturers aren't making their cartridges any easier to refill - in not in their interest to do so. According to wikipedia, Epson have prevented Cartridge World selling their own brand of compatible Epson cartridge because of breach of patent and/or intellectual property; if true this could have far reaching consequences for the business.

In conclusion it was a business which would have been a good, short term investment a decade ago, but now, in my opinion, has had its day.
 
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This sort of extremely helpful information to the OP is EXACTLY why ukbf should reconsider opening up the whole of the 'franchise forum' as FREE to all visitors/members.

No doubt useful information in there to aid potential franchisees in their decision making.
 
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This sort of extremely helpful information to the OP is EXACTLY why ukbf should reconsider opening up the whole of the 'franchise forum' as FREE to all visitors/members.

No doubt useful information in there to aid potential franchisees in their decision making.

Perhaps, but if you can't have a private area, do you think full members would pony up £40 a year solely for the SEO benefits of sticking a signature on their posts with a website link ?
 
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No offence but I couldn't care less about a signature on the bottom of my post ( I have over 1000 clients now ), I'm saying that the franchise section should be free and that's my opinion which won't change.

No doubt a lot of the advice on there would help prevent some people making a bad decision on whether to be a franchisee or not.

Don't get me wrong I think ukbf is a good forum but I just don't think the franchise section should be for members only
 
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No offence but I couldn't care less about a signature on the bottom of my post ( I have over 1000 clients now ), I'm saying that the franchise section should be free and that's my opinion which won't change.

No doubt a lot of the advice on there would help prevent some people making a bad decision on whether to be a franchisee or not.

Don't get me wrong I think ukbf is a good forum but I just don't think the franchise section should be for members only

I think it's more to do with the fact that the franchising section has historically been a contentious part of the site so hiding it away makes sense.

If you we're going to do due diligence before shelling out 10/30/50k on a franchise then spending £40 for access to some useful information is small beer.

Gary
 
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What Gary said is true, the franchise forum became a pain to moderate as members were signing up to just slag off other companies, even competitors. Sift (who own the forum) had to make a decision as it would have led to legal problems.

Sift are upgrading the forum so may take another look at opening it again but I am not sure it's a good idea.

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Sift are upgrading the forum so may take another look at opening it again.
Whilst I understand the intention is there, it's now 17 months (October 2011) since these "upgrades" were first planned.

Given the timescales so far with no changes or upgrades, I don't think it's any longer a good idea to promise these "upgrades" until there's a specific planned month/year/decade in which they may be implemented. It seems a little deceptive otherwise ;)

Steve
 
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There has been numerous updates in the last 17 months Steve from adding more content to get users more involved and some feature enhancements.

Unfortunately updates on a scale of UKBF take time and resources, but they are being worked on and Henry did whisper something about a sneak peak very soon.

It is demoralising to see things take longer than expected but I would rather something take 2 years than been rushed and it falls down flat.
 
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Hi Gareth,

Thanks for the reply - it's not a comment against you personally, but as you agree, it is demoralising to see promised upgrades nearly 2 years ago and (imo) seeing nothing change.

There has been numerous updates in the last 17 months Steve from adding more content to get users more involved and some feature enhancements.
Can you tell me what? I've only noticed forums getting shifted to the vault, rules made then changed back again, but I don't see any material change to the site?

Unfortunately updates on a scale of UKBF take time and resources

Gareth, Honestly, If one of your customers asked you to make some changes to their website, would you still be saying "they will be ready soon" after 17 months? Size of the site is irrelevant. Especially after the amount of time involved.

Henry did whisper something about a sneak peak very soon.

That will be welcome, but will it be more that just a mockup?

I would rather something take 2 years than been rushed and it falls down flat.
I agree. However, we've both been a member of the development group since 2011. The last time SIFT (Henry) asked our opinion about anything at all was in August 2012 - 7 months ago.

After 17 months of public knowledge of planned upgrades, I don't think anyone can blame Sift of rushing into anything other than the annual Paypal payment ;)

Steve
 
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I'm sorry but by making it £40 doesn't suddenly make it any less likely that people will slag off franchisors/franchisees - that's nonsense . If you wanted to do that all you need to do is facebook / twitter or review a site.

I read some good posts on here but also a lot of rubbish arguments.

Its that kind of mentality of chucking money at something and suddenly its all ok why companies go to the wall and cost us all eventually
 
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