Are you a Christian?

Well Cobby I'm afraid, you as a member on this forum, are, as far as I'm concerned, a person that does not need to know, and you should actually recognize it as none of your business, or anyone else's for that matter.

Choice #4 it is then. You're being vague because you were lying and can't/won't google the information needed to back up the lie.
If it were none of our business you would not have mentioned it at all.

Now than Cobby tell me what religion you follow?
I'm a Pastafarian. ;)
 
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Choice #4 it is then. You're being vague because you were lying and can't/won't google the information needed to back up the lie.
If it were none of our business you would not have mentioned it at all.

I'm a Pastafarian. ;)

I mentioned it in answer to another post, as having some insight into paganism, as I was very much involved in it.

You then post your questions, as if you have god given right to know the information in detail, and when you are not given it, you then start name calling, such as calling me a liar.

That is why your not the sort of person one would converse with in any great detail, as your are not deserving or worthy, as you cannot conduct yourself in a proper manner, which your previous post have shown.

I will ignore you and your rudeness in the future Coddy as that would, maybe make you think about, being a little more passive when you are communicating with other people in the future.
 
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To be quite honest, I think... no I know that DCE is in fact someone that considers themselves to be above others.

Therefore, I am compelled to ignore his/her or their pathetic comments, replies and refusal to converse in the correct manner that a forum is meant to be for.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I strongly believe that this country and many other countries have been shunned by many, simply because they believe in something different that is not what "some" people consider to be the truth.

Fact of the matter is, if someone can't be bothered to read people's posts properly, if people can't be bothered to read back and understand what questions are posed to them, then they are no use to any discussion.

Unfortunately for some people, they think they know everything, and refuse to accept that they and many other people may well be wrong, they incorrectly pass their own judgement and consider themselves to be above all, these people deserve everything they get in life and deserve to be treated with the contempt that they show to others.

To put it simply, I may have only been apart of these forums for a short time but I know whom I'd rather chat with on here already, and I know who is a waste of my precious time.

So Subbynet, Beachy... Who's winning football these days? :D

(Sorry, I personally can't stand football but it's a normal question, without hidden fingerpointing that anyone with common sense can easily reply to. :D ).
 
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I mentioned it in answer to another post, as having some insight into paganism, as I was very much involved in it.

You then post your questions, as if you have god given right to know the information in detail, and when you are not given it, you then start name calling, such as calling me a liar.

You can avoid being called out on the lie by just providing some details about the religion you followed.

You offered the topic up in a public forum and you continue to state that it's relevant as it gives you 'understanding'. But you don't say which religion you followed or how you developed your 'understanding' since leaving it.

You can't have it both ways; if you want to use it as relevant information to back up your 'wisdom' then you need to flesh out the details when asked. If you can't/won't flesh out the details then it just looks like you are lying.

It's the simplest of questions, much like 'what did you have for breakfast this morning?'
I'll ask again: which Pagan religion did you follow?
 
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You can avoid being called out on the lie by just providing some details about the religion you followed.

Pagans festivals I used to get involved in.

Christmas:- I used to celebrate Xmas which which was derived from pagans consecrating of December 25 as the celebration of natalisinvicti, the birth of the 'invincible sun.'" and was not the real birth of Christ.

I celebrated :-

Easter:-Although this holiday is supposed to commemorate Christ's resurrection, note what secular authorities say regarding it:

"Easter. Originally the spring festival in honor of the Teutonic goddess of light and spring known in Anglo-Saxon as Eastre. As early as the 8th century the name was transferred by the Anglo-Saxons to the Christian festival designed to celebrate the resurrection of Christ."-The Westminster Dictionary of the Bible (Philadelphia, 1944), by John D. Davis, page 145.

"Everywhere they hunt the many-colored Easter eggs, brought by the Easter rabbit. This is not mere child's play, but the vestige of a fertility rite, the eggs and the rabbit both symbolizing fertility."-Funk & Wagnalls Standard Dictionary of Folklore Mythology and Legend (New York, 1949), Volume 1, page 335.

I celebrated:-

Halloween:- Though celebrated as a Christian holiday, Halloween finds its origins in pre-Christian festivals that propagate false ideas about life after death. Interestingly, we read: "After the Reformation, Protestants rejected this feast along with other important ones such as Christmas and Easter. Nevertheless, Halloween folk customs of pagan origin flourished."-Encyclopædia Britannica (1959), Volume 11, page 107.

I celebrated:-

All Saints' Day:- "There is little doubt that the Christian church sought to eliminate or supplant the Druid festival of the dead by introducing the alternative observance of All Saints' day on Nov. 1. This feast was established to honour all saints, known or unknown, but it failed to displace the pagan celebration of Samhain."-Encyclopædia Britannica (1959), Volume 11, page 107.

I celebrated:-

New Year's Day:- "In ancient Rome, the first day of the year was given over to honoring Janus, the god of gates and doors and of beginnings and endings. . . . New Year's Day became a holy day in the Christian church in A.D. 487."-The World Book Encyclopedia (1982), Volume 14, page 237.

I celebrated:-

Valentine's Day:- "Valentine's Day comes on the feast day of two different Christian martyrs named Valentine. But the customs connected with the day . . . probably come from an ancient Roman festival called Lupercalia which took place every February 15. The festival honored Juno, the Roman goddess of women and marriage, and Pan, the god of nature."-The World Book Encyclopedia (1973), Volume 20, page 204.

I celebrated:-

May Day:- "May Day festivals probably stem from the rites practiced in honor of a Roman goddess, Maia, who was worshiped as the source of human and natural fertility. . . . [The] Maypole is believed by most scholars to be a survival of a phallic symbol formerly used in the spring rites for the goddess Maia."-The New Funk & Wagnalls Encyclopedia (1952), page 8294.

I celebrated:-

Mother's Day:- "A festival derived from the custom of mother worship in ancient Greece. Formal mother worship, with ceremonies to Cybele, or Rhea, the Great Mother of the Gods, were performed on the Ides of March throughout Asia Minor."-Encyclopædia Britannica (1959), Volume 15, page 849.

And a lot more, so I was really into Paganism.

I believed in The Trinity which is a pagan teaching.

I believed in Hell-fire which is a Pagan teaching.

No further comment is needed.

(Proverbs 12:19) 19 It is the lip of truth that will be firmly established forever, but the tongue of falsehood will be only as long as a moment.
 
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You have listed ordinary holidays and what appears to be the JW line on why they are 'wrong'.

Which Pagan religion did you follow? Offer up some details on that, not just the JW doctrine on everyday life.
 
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Easter:-Although this holiday is supposed to commemorate Christ’s resurrection, note what secular authorities say regarding it:

It's interesting that you defer to 'secular authorities' about the major, long standing religions, but refuse to acknowledge any details that highlight the problems of your relatively short-lived cult.
 
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You have listed ordinary holidays and what appears to be the JW line on why they are 'wrong'.

Encyclopaedic quotes, that these ordinary holidays, as you say, were of pagan origin, and still are.

You see, what is ordinary to you Coddy, is not ordinary to a True Christians, all these ordinary holidays are based on a lie.

So you, speak the lie, and live the lie, and you call other people liars, but do you know something Coddy, the truth, as Jesus said, sets us free.

(Revelation 12:9) 9*So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

Ordinary holidays?
 
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Encyclopaedic quotes, that these ordinary holidays, as you say, were of pagan origin, and still are.
Yeah, ordinary holidays for everyone in everyday life.

You weren't asked for the JW-approved list of holidays to denounce, you were asked which Pagan religion you followed and to provide some details of it. If you can't do that, then you were lying about being 'a Pagan'.

It's simple and should be easy to answer. :)
 
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Yeah, ordinary holidays for everyone in everyday life.

You weren't asked for the JW-approved list of holidays to denounce, you were asked which Pagan religion you followed and to provide some details of it. If you can't do that, then you were lying about being 'a Pagan'.

It's simple and should be easy to answer. :)

If I am celebrating all the pagan holidays and was inagreement with them, what does that make me you silly man.

These pagan holidays we announced not by any Watchtower, it was announced and confirmed in the Encyclopaedias of this world, so Coddy, stop you nonsense and stop your lying and twisting things to suit your own slant on things.

Don't forget Coddy Jesus died for you, so you can have everlasting life, don't throw it all away.
 
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As DCE has rightly said,

All of the above holidays are based upon a lie... I.E. A lie from the Christian Church, who wrongfully attempted to blindsight those that were not of Christian fellowship, but of Pagan origins, therefore as DCE has said all of the Christian holidays are based upon a lie, ergo, ALL Christians lie and will never be allowed into their heaven because of this lie that they live.

By giving back all of the above holidays to the Pagan's will be the only way they can be forgiven and allowed through the big ole pearly gates... however, since it will never happen they'll never get to walk through them.

;)
 
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If I am celebrating all the pagan holidays and was inagreement with them, what does that make me you silly man.

What would you call someone who followed and agreed with every holiday from every Christian religion? Were such a person to exist you'd call them an idiot.

Let's highlight the mistake you made in claiming you were a 'Pagan'. Pagan is a Christian pejorative that groups the older non-Abrahamic religions together.

So, to clarify: if I said "I used to be a Christian" and someone asked me which religion I followed, I might repeat a common story such as "I was a Catholic and I went to mass on Sundays and confession, etc. When I was old enough to reason, I questioned what it was all about and was never given a satisfactory answer."

So you say you were a Pagan. Which Pagan religion did you follow? Assuming you weren't lying, why not give us some details...
 
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As DCE has rightly said,

All of the above holidays are based upon a lie... I.E. A lie from the Christian Church, who wrongfully attempted to blindsight those that were not of Christian fellowship, but of Pagan origins, therefore as DCE has said all of the Christian holidays are based upon a lie, ergo, ALL Christians lie and will never be allowed into their heaven because of this lie that they live.

By giving back all of the above holidays to the Pagan's will be the only way they can be forgiven and allowed through the big ole pearly gates... however, since it will never happen they'll never get to walk through them.

Spot on, the Bible makes that quite clear, and agrees with what you have just said, it says:-

(James 4:4) 4*Adulteresses, do YOU not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.

Pagan Festivals and worldly celebrations put you in a very bad relationship with God, nothing ambiguous about that scripture.
 
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What would you call someone who followed and agreed with every holiday from every Christian religion? Were such a person to exist you'd call them an idiot.

(James 4:4) 4*Adulteresses, do YOU not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.

Name a Holiday which is not a worldly one, with reference to pagan holidays.

So what does that show, the Churches, which also have pagan worship in their doctrine, and celebrate pagan holidays, do they not?

So do they have a good relationship with God?

Also Coddy the Bible says :-

(Proverbs 13:20) 20*He that is walking with wise persons will become wise, but he that is having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.

If I keep listening to you, and your nonsense, it would not be wise would it.
 
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(James 4:4) 4*Adulteresses, do YOU not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.

Name a Holiday which is not a worldly one, with reference to pagan holidays.

So what does that show, the Churches, which also have pagan worship in their doctrine, and celebrate pagan holidays, do they not?

So do they have a good relationship with God?

Also Coddy the Bible says :-

(Proverbs 13:20) 20*He that is walking with wise persons will become wise, but he that is having dealings with the stupid ones will fare badly.

If I keep listening to you, and your nonsense, it would not be wise would it.

So what you're saying is that you were never actually a 'Pagan' and that you lied in an attempt to reinforce your position as a member of the JW cult.

That's all we need know. :)
 
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So what you're saying is that you were never actually a 'Pagan' and that you lied in an attempt to reinforce your position as a member of the JW cult.

That's all we need know. :)

I was in to paganism before I became a Witness.

That is what I said Coddy, I am sorry it does not agree with your thinking.
 
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Yaaaaawn!

I have not been around here for a few weeks but I see that many of you are stil taking DCE's bait, Just put him on ignore if he upsets you so much ior perhaps you cannot resist his bait?

BDW Bible V22, chapter 111948: "Now who is the weaker one, the angler or the hooked fish?"

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I wonder how someone who twists eveything to the degree that DCE does can actually operate in business effectively.

Or does he put the "twisting on hold" during business hours.

I always quote the scriptures from the Bible, to show, that what is being said is true and it's not me saying it, but the Bible.

But the truth from the Bible is something, some people like yourself, don't want to hear, so you try and cloud the truth by silly remarks.

Ridicule is the correct term, but it just shows how true the Bible is, as it says:-

(2 Peter 3:3) 3*For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires

When did the Bible say this would be happening?

Faith strengthening, when you see it in front of your eyes, is it not?

We can really also trust in God's word, as it always comes true, you are a witness to that. Yes?
 
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I was in to paganism before I became a Witness.
"You were into paganism before you became a christian."
You want to draw a little circle inside christianity and label it "witness". So what was your little circle inside paganism?

It's such a simple question and answering it doesn't go against any of the rules laid down by your supervisors. The only problem you have is that if it was a lie, you aren't permitted to go and do any research to back it up.

Even if you don't admit the lie to us, your 'god' still knows you lied, and gods don't tend to like liars... ;)
 
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"You were into paganism before you became a christian."
You want to draw a little circle inside christianity and label it "witness". So what was your little circle inside paganism?

It's such a simple question and answering it doesn't go against any of the rules laid down by your supervisors. The only problem you have is that if it was a lie, you aren't permitted to go and do any research to back it up.

Even if you don't admit the lie to us, your 'god' still knows you lied, and gods don't tend to like liars... ;)

I have nothing to worry about Coddy, my God knows me very well. and I know him, what a difference it has made to my life, not practising paganism in my life any-more, I know, I am now, pleasing God, and have a wonderful hope in the future, if I continue doing his will.

I will say a prayer for you, that you also find the truth, and turn your life around, and act in accordance with God's will, so you may find the joy and peace I have found.

I could meet with you face to face if you like, and we can study the Bible, so you, can see why celebrating pagan holidays is not good, as it could cost you dearly in the future, if you continue practising those things, according to the truth of God's word.

(Ephesians 5:6-12) 6*Let no man deceive YOU with empty words, for because of the aforesaid things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience. 7*Therefore do not become partakers with them; 8*for YOU were once darkness, but YOU are now light in connection with [the] Lord. Go on walking as children of light, 9*for the fruitage of the light consists of every sort of goodness and righteousness and truth. 10*Keep on making sure of what is acceptable to the Lord; 11*and quit sharing with [them] in the unfruitful works that belong to the darkness, but, rather, even be reproving [them], 12*for the things that take place in secret by them it is shameful even to relate.

I was once in darkness, practising paganism and all that goes along with it, I thank God, I am free of all that now.

The question is Coddy are you, do you want to be???
 
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I always quote the scriptures from the Bible, to show, that what is being said is true and it's not me saying it, but the Bible.

But the truth from the Bible is something, some people like yourself, don't want to hear, so you try and cloud the truth by silly remarks.

Ridicule is the correct term, but it just shows how true the Bible is, as it says:-

(2 Peter 3:3) 3*For YOU know this first, that in the last days there will come ridiculers with their ridicule, proceeding according to their own desires

When did the Bible say this would be happening?

Faith strengthening, when you see it in front of your eyes, is it not?

We can really also trust in God's word, as it always comes true, you are a witness to that. Yes?

This demonstrates that you are trained to react to uncomfortable questions as if people are ridiculing you. You could actually have answered my question instead of assuming that it was there to make you look less of a person.

Tell me how WOULD you have answered that yourself had you not been been in defensive mode?

How is it to live, when you are told to always believe that queries are ridicule?
 
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The question is Coddy are you, do you want to be???

No, the question is what pagan religion did you follow?

If you don't answer it you are obviously a liar. If you are seen as a liar then no matter how much scripture you copy/paste, your words and advice carry no weight.

It's such a simple question to answer...
 
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No, the question is what pagan religion did you follow?

If you don't answer it you are obviously a liar. If you are seen as a liar then no matter how much scripture you copy/paste, your words and advice carry no weight.

It's such a simple question to answer...

Not to someone like your self my friend, you are not someone who would benefit from the information, I have already given you, what I consider enough information with regard to my involvement with paganism, that's all you need to know.

We only release certain information on a public forum, as we don't know who we are talking to.

God is my judge my conscience is very clear is yours?
 
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If you don't answer it you are obviously a liar. If you are seen as a liar then no matter how much scripture you copy/paste, your words and advice carry no weight.

You believe the Bible holds no weight because your question is not answered.

What a haughty man you are, my goodness, he that is to be obeyed.

Who is Coddy I wonder?
 
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Well,

My conscience is extremely clear... I have no reason to lie, nor do I lie as it wouldn't be good practice for my profession however... the same could not be said for yours DCE... You're in the legal services correct?

Nuff said there then.

;)

With regards to you no longer following pagan holidays, I assume that you now refrain from xmas, easter, All saints day etc etc etc

With regards to your comment towards me previously however, what a load of baloney... (I won't bother copy/pasting as it's quite tedious having to re-read what people have said over and over and over and over again... (no offence folks ;) ) If I wanted to read something over and over again, I'd go back to bible studies, but as I've said it's quite tedious not to mention boring, I prefer science fiction over fiction any day. :D
 
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Well,

My conscience is extremely clear... I have no reason to lie, nor do I lie as it wouldn't be good practice for my profession however... the same could not be said for yours DCE... You're in the legal services correct?

Nuff said there then.

With regards to you no longer following pagan holidays, I assume that you now refrain from xmas, easter, All saints day etc etc etc

With regards to your comment towards me previously however, what a load of baloney... (I won't bother copy/pasting as it's quite tedious having to re-read what people have said over and over and over and over again... (no offence folks ;) ) If I wanted to read something over and over again, I'd go back to bible studies, but as I've said it's quite tedious not to mention boring, I prefer science fiction over fiction any day. :D

What you consider boring is very important to understand, your life could depend on it my friend, but it is your choice.

(2 Peter 3:8-9) 8*However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9*Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.

How old are you in God's time table, 30mins old, 45mins old, if one day is a thousand years, work it out, it'd quite interesting.
 
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Not to someone like your self my friend, you are not someone who would benefit from the information, I have already given you, what I consider enough information with regard to my involvement with paganism, that's all you need to know.

We only release certain information on a public forum, as we don't know who we are talking to.

You offered the information up to everyone by mentioning it. It wasn't true so you continue to try and cover your lie. That's really all there is to it. :D

We're going in circles now though. I thought it'd be fun to go around the circle a few times just to highlight (to those that may not already know) how deluded and mindless Jehovah's Witnesses really are.

I think we're done here. :)
 
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Exactly DCE, it's my choice... and my choice alone, likewise it is your choice... however, that still does not give you the right to belittle other people on the forums because they have chosen a different path to you... Your comments regarding other religions are pathetic, narrow minded and down right rude.

You claim to be a JW yet you have the gaul to treat people with disrespect, and then you expect people to respect you and your choice? you have to give to recieve.
 
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You offered the information up to everyone by mentioning it. It wasn't true so you continue to try and cover your lie. That's really all there is to it. :D

We're going in circles now though. I thought it'd be fun to go around the circle a few times just to highlight (to those that may not already know) how deluded and mindless Jehovah's Witnesses really are.

I think we're done here. :)

You have to come into the realization, that it's God's will, that will be done, not ours.

Meditate on that Coddy.

Who is Goddy is it Massey Parth, or Duckinganddiving?
 
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Exactly DCE, it's my choice... and my choice alone, likewise it is your choice... however, that still does not give you the right to belittle other people on the forums because they have chosen a different path to you... Your comments regarding other religions are pathetic, narrow minded and down right rude.

You claim to be a JW yet you have the gaul to treat people with disrespect, and then you expect people to respect you and your choice? you have to give to recieve.

Have you got God's thought's on the matter, after all it's not what I say, is it?
 
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Tell you what...

Yes I have god's thought on your reply.

He say's

"Your a complete fool, a self centred, arrogant, immature little child that thinks he is above everyone else, you put yourself on the same pedestal as his son... You will never be, and will no longer be regarded as someone important because you choose not to accept others for who and what they are, either stop treating people with contempt or you shall be cast down"


Anyone can be childish, anyone can act like a complete fool, however in your business... you should have more decorum.

Me personally, I couldn't give a monkey's left testicle what your god is like, who he will strike down, what you say or what you preach because it's all utter codswallop. I have been as polite as possible where you are concerned, simply because I respect other people's beliefs, but you make yourself look like extremely pathetic with your "I'm better than you facade", unfortunately you however can not say the same... I respect your beliefs, but I am unable to respect you.

You are what you are there is nothing wrong with that, the least you could do however is stop acting like a complete tosspot, and assuming that you are better than me... because I can gaurantee you this... you are far from it.
 
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Tell you what...

Yes I have god's thought on your reply.

He say's

"Your a complete fool, a self centred, arrogant, immature little child that thinks he is above everyone else, you put yourself on the same pedestal as his son... You will never be, and will no longer be regarded as someone important because you choose not to accept others for who and what they are, either stop treating people with contempt or you shall be cast down"


Anyone can be childish, anyone can act like a complete fool, however in your business... you should have more decorum.

Me personally, I couldn't give a monkey's left testicle what your god is like, who he will strike down, what you say or what you preach because it's all utter codswallop. I have been as polite as possible where you are concerned, simply because I respect other people's beliefs, but you make yourself look like extremely pathetic with your "I'm better than you facade", unfortunately you however can not say the same... I respect your beliefs, but I am unable to respect you.

You are what you are there is nothing wrong with that, the least you could do however is stop acting like a complete tosspot, and assuming that you are better than me... because I can gaurantee you this... you are far from it.

Where do you get the idea, I think I am better than you, I am trying to share something with you, what is your problem.

Have you been drinking?

Your sudden outburst is somewhat confusing.
 
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I don't drink thank you for the usual assumption.

The replies that you give are neither informative, helpful or something that can be shared. How you think asking a question that desrves no merit is sharing something is totally beyond me.

If I wanted you to share utter tripe, I'd ask you to.

Took me long enough, but I found the ignore button! :D
 
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I don't drink thank you for the usual assumption.

The replies that you give are neither informative, helpful or something that can be shared. How you think asking a question that desrves no merit is sharing something is totally beyond me.

If I wanted you to share utter tripe, I'd ask you to.

So if someone warned you that your life was at risk, you would only accept it from someone in a uniform

Or someone who has studied a particular subject for thirty five years, and really investigated it?

You go to a Doctor who only has to study his subject for seven years, and you take his advice. Yes?
 
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So if someone warned you that your life was at risk, you would only accept it from someone in a uniform

Or someone who has studied a particular subject for thirty five years, and really investigated it?

You go to a Doctor who only has to study his subject for seven years, and you take his advice. Yes?

Jehovah's Witnesses are literally the boy who cried wolf.
 
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You have to come into the realization, that it's God's will, that will be done, not ours.

Meditate on that Coddy.

Who is Goddy is it Massey Parth, or Duckinganddiving?

What does this mean who is? What does your christian Bible say about engaging in idle speculation and slandering of a person? I have reported your post to the moderators for idle speculation and slandering someone you do not know and have not had anything to deal with. It seems to me that the correct assessment of you is by AuthorizedAccess. He has surely seen rigt through your arrogance and pomposity. I hope the moderators take appropriate action to, how is it, take you down a peg or two. Silly person.
 
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