What makes the Israeli Army the greatest in the world?

[directmarketingadvice]

This is a section for any topic, and I thought I would enter the UKBF community into a debate about a middle eastern power that wrongly gets bad press from all over the world.

And you thought the way to get people to warm to Israel would be to make a post that boasted about "[removed by mod]"?

(I may have slightly misquoted you, your comment was deleted by a mod, but it definitely contained the word [removed by mod].)

Maybe you would have had more success if you'd posted something about Israel contributing something positive to the rest of the world?

Steve

 

Maybe you would have had more success if you'd posted something about Israel contributing something positive to the rest of the world?

How about the A bomb.

here's a few more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_scientists

Earl

 

[mobyme]

So by your logic, praising the achievments of the Allied powers in WW2 is glorifing death?

You are supposed to give up the glorification of warfare at about the same age as you realise that people don't get up again when killed like they do in films.

The taking of life is an anathema to Israeli's as it is to all right thinking people regardless of race or creed; not something to be totted up like a cribbage score.

I cannot understand what perverse pleasure you hope to gain by posting this thread but I think I know where it's going and should be pulled.

 

[Gillie]

You are supposed to give up the glorification of warfare at about the same age as you realise that people don't get up again when killed like they do in films.

The taking of life is an anathema to Israeli's as it is to all right thinking people regardless of race or creed; not something to be totted up like a cribbage score.

I cannot understand what perverse pleasure you hope to gain by posting this thread but I think I know where it's going and should be pulled.

Yes I can see too and yes I think the mods need to be on the ball with this one!!

 

[estwig]

Isn't Jason Bourne an Israeli??

 

Yes I can see too and yes I think the mods need to be on the ball with this one!!

you worry to much Gillie.

Forums the only place you can have a good fight without anyone getting hurt.

Putting a lid on things can make the pot boil.

Earl

 

[Gillie]

you worry to much Gillie.

Forums the only place you can have a good fight without anyone getting hurt.

Putting a lid on things can make the pot boil.

Earl

I just fancied a nice quiet, peaceful, fun loving, tranquil, quiet, happy weekend, oh did I say quiet?

 

I just fancied a nice quiet, peaceful, fun loving, tranquil, quiet, happy weekend, oh did I say quiet?

Hmm don't sound like you,but I will take your word.

Earl

 

[Gillie]

Hmm don't sound like you,but I will take your word.

Earl

Oh I am a changed woman ... I live in peace, I adore peace, I thrive on peace ...

 

[estwig]

I take it peace make red wine then!

 

[Gillie]

I take it peace make red wine then!

Actually rose tonight - yes I know, wooses drink that but I am sharing a glass or two with my daughter - now how weird is that to say?? My middle one took me to the pub last week - now that makes me feel old!!!!!!!

But yes I am a changed woman, I don't argue, I don't think men are the lowest form of life, actually .... you can say anything tonight - I am celebrating!!

 

[estwig]

Men are superior to women in every way????

 

[Gillie]

Men are superior to women in every way????

Mwah x but of course they are ........... <sighs in adoration>

 

[estwig]

I'm the winner, I'm the winner..........

nah, nah, nanah, nah, somefink like that anyway!!!

 

[Gillie]

But of course you are .... <but just for tonight ... beware the ides of March, or something like that!!>

 

I'm the winner, I'm the winner..........

nah, nah, nanah, nah, somefink like that anyway!!!

Your a twit,you are always going to be a twit so get used to your twittering.

We have to.

Earl

 

[Gillie]

Sorry I really cant and wont deem to take this thread seriously - I am one happy Jewess thanks!!

 

[Gillie]

Your a twit,you are always going to be a twit so get used to your twittering.

We have to.

Earl

Earl, its you're not your!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[estwig]

Your a twit,you are always going to be a twit so get used to your twittering.

We have to.

Earl

That hurts!

I'm not just a forumite, I'm a number

 

Earl, its you're not your!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh right thanks.

you're still a twit.

is that better.?:|

Earl

 

[Gillie]

Oh right thanks.

you're still a twit.

is that better.?:|

Earl

Much better!

 

That hurts!

I'm not just a forumite, I'm a number

Let me guess does it come after number 1.?

Earl

 

Much better!

Am I really this bored that I take to trying to insult cyber characters on a piece of illuminated plastic.?

Earl

 

[Gillie]

Am I really this bored that I take to trying to insult cyber characters on a piece of illuminated plastic.?

Earl

Well either bored or lost the plot!!!!!

 

[estwig]

Let me guess does it come after number 1.?

Earl

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats a frequent response .try eating more prunes.

I give up how can you fight with a guy that has wimpey written on his jacket.:|

Earl

 

[Esk247]

When Grown Ups Act Like Kids ..... Next Tuesday..On BBCThree

 

[estwig]

He's in his secound childhood.........

Smile and nod!

 

[Beachcomber]

For all the efforts made to promote the perception of modern war / conflict as being sanitised, efficient, 'rules of engagement', zero collaterol damage operations we forget there remains the need to have on hand a bunch of highly trained, well equiped, well disciplined proper hard bast*rds who can take care of the dirty work that still needs to be done despite how civilized we all claim to be.

No matter how forward thinking, democratic and open you are as a nation, you will always need to have, and will occasionally be called to demonstrate at certain times - the ability to kick ass.

When entering the theatre of warfare you leave your morals at the door.

 

[Esk247]

but the problem in Afghanistan and Iraq is...who are the enemy? they do not define themselves in uniform, race or by flag. they are..the people..they are not a 'unit' or an 'army' in the official sense.

this is the problem with invading Afghanistan and other nations that are made up of so many different factions. they're always at war with eachother, with another country, with a drugs lord, with an arms dealer.

if at war with a country like North Korea, in the large part, they are organised, uniformed and strategic. easier to target, tough but ultimately predictable in many respects.

Soldiers in Afghanistan face a surreal test, they are faced with children running around, playing football, women doing washing...and then..in the distance, someone carrying a rifle, but are they enemy? or a local who has no reason to attack you?

in many respects you could say that you should adopt total warfare, in which case, we would kick ass, we'd obliterate them, totally, nuclear warheads, chemical warheads. when our troops are being pegged back by enemy fighters they try to call in airstrikes..but...in many instances, this choice isn't available, close proximity to schools or mosques, you're outnumbered but have better weaponry (unless it jams), better training, it's a 50/50 battle most of the time.

i think we were all surprised when the US invaded Iraq with mainly ground troops, we expected more of the 'Shock and Awe' campaign, the stealth bombers that are able to pick out a dozen targets and hit all of them within 10 seconds, inter continental ballistic missiles from submarines, aircraft carriers with F15 jets....all...useless! when you try and win a 'Hearts and Minds' campaign.

 

[Jeff FV]

"A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail"

Rudyard Kipling, 1886

 

[vvaannmmaann]

They also have quite a few of these.Which is nice.

 

[Chunky Beagle]

You are supposed to give up the glorification of warfare at about the same age as you realise that people don't get up again when killed like they do in films.

The taking of life is an anathema to Israeli's as it is to all right thinking people regardless of race or creed; not something to be totted up like a cribbage score.

I cannot understand what perverse pleasure you hope to gain by posting this thread but I think I know where it's going and should be pulled.

So marvelling at how Rome managed to conquer half the known world or how Napoleons military tactics won some of the biggest battles in history is perverse?

 

[Sacha]

Well Chunky one would have hoped that humanity would have progressed from those ancient times by now. Seeing as the world produces and annually destroys an abundance of everything and we're all pretty much residing in the same global empire (as such) there isn't the need to glorify warfare as there was in the past. Competitive sport has, in the most cases, taken over that part of the human psyche. Of course remnants of idealising warfare still persist but the Israeli terror-machine I sincerely believe cannot be linked to Roman, Persian or Mongolian military greatness (not just because those were 'the good old days' but also because Israel is nothing in comparison).

Edit: All three of those empires conquered many more and much larger territories in a 30 year timeframe.

 

[Sacha]

As for Israeli power. Israel has huge influence in most western countries. They hold significant sway over political, military and media leaders. For a recent example: when the Israeli prime minister recently went to meet President Obama he attended the Israeli lobby which is the largest lobbyist group in the US and has dozens of senators, supreme court judges, congressmen, and thousands of businessmen and other leaders as its members. Israel can effectively get away with anything even if the President of the United States doesn't like what they are doing (as can be seen by recent events with P. Obama).

Israel is also extremely beneficial for western countries in that it keeps the oil flowing out of the middle east cheaply and securely. This is because the US give billions in aid every year to Israel in the form of advanced military hardware. This causes a power vacuum in the Middle East, forcing nations such as Saudi to purchase similar military hardware from British, French and American companies keeping Western trade in and outs balanced.

There are probably other reasons as well - possibly because the Jewish people are, or have been forced to become, a fluid, inventive and unscrupulous people. Or possibly not. Who knows. There are doubtless clever Israelis just as there are clever British, French, Italian, Russian, Korean, Chinese, American, Iranian, Pakistani, African, etc.

Bottom line is that they were once the oppressed and now they are the oppressors. I have muslim blood in my family and I must say that israel really does make my blood boil and I can understand why a lot of western muslim descendants join muslim insurgents in the M.E when I see some of the atrocities that Israel routinely perform, and the lack of meaningful international reprisals following those atrocities. Makes me sick to say the least.

The M.E is little understood by a lot of westerners. Like for example how the borders and nations we are so used to seeing on the M.E. map were artificially drawn up by the British and French after WWI. The Brits and French back-stabbed a descendent of Prophet Mohammad to the throne of the Muslim Caliphate and split the on a map between them. Most of the issues we have in the world today stem from this. Lawrence of Arabia lobbyied for it not to happen and he actually predicted a lot of the troubles we see today if it was allowed to proceed.

 

As for Israeli power. Israel has huge influence in most western countries. They hold significant sway over political, military and media leaders. For a recent example: when the Israeli prime minister recently went to meet President Obama he attended the Israeli lobby which is the largest lobbyist group in the US and has dozens of senators, supreme court judges, congressmen, and thousands of businessmen and other leaders as its members. Israel can effectively get away with anything even if the President of the United States doesn't like what they are doing (as can be seen by recent events with P. Obama).

Israel is also extremely beneficial for western countries in that it keeps the oil flowing out of the middle east cheaply and securely. This is because the US give billions in aid every year to Israel in the form of advanced military hardware. This causes a power vacuum in the Middle East, forcing nations such as Saudi to purchase similar military hardware from British, French and American companies keeping Western trade in and outs balanced.

There are probably other reasons as well - possibly because the Jewish people are, or have been forced to become, a fluid, inventive and unscrupulous people. Or possibly not. Who knows. There are doubtless clever Israelis just as there are clever British, French, Italian, Russian, Korean, Chinese, American, Iranian, Pakistani, African, etc.

Bottom line is that they were once the oppressed and now they are the oppressors. I have muslim blood in my family and I must say that israel really does make my blood boil and I can understand why a lot of western muslim descendants join muslim insurgents in the M.E when I see some of the atrocities that Israel routinely perform, and the lack of meaningful international reprisals following those atrocities. Makes me sick to say the least.

The M.E is little understood by a lot of westerners. Like for example how the borders and nations we are so used to seeing on the M.E. map were artificially drawn up by the British and French after WWI. The Brits and French back-stabbed a descendent of Prophet Mohammad to the throne of the Muslim Caliphate and split the on a map between them. Most of the issues we have in the world today stem from this. Lawrence of Arabia lobbyied for it not to happen and he actually predicted a lot of the troubles we see today if it was allowed to proceed.

Great post only spoilt by extreme racial bias.

Earl

 

[mobyme]

So marvelling at how Rome managed to conquer half the known world or how Napoleons military tactics won some of the biggest battles in history is perverse?

Despite all the information available to you in books and on the internet you thought it would be a good idea to post in a public forum, a thread about one of the participants in an unresolved dispute which is still a gaping wound affecting the lives of millions of people on both sides of the divide.

I don't know whether your stupid or naïve, but I do know that this thread ought to be deleted.

 

[Sacha]

Great post only spoilt by extreme racial bias.

Earl

Why is it that most of the regular posters on these forums seem to think that vague one sentence replies is an adequate response? Please enlightened me on my 'extreme racial bias'? As far as I can tell I was stating facts as well as a fair and revealing personal opinion.

Highlighting my disgust of the Israeli state is not racial bias. and replying with a statement of opinion without revealing how you came to that opinion is hardly constructive of interesting conversation and on other forums would be labelled as spam.

 

[Rhyl Lightworks]

Why is it that most of the regular posters on these forums seem to think that vague one sentence replies is an adequate response?

Because many more people read short responses - they don't, in general, bother to read long diatribes. A forum is not the place for such responses.

I do agree with much of what you say, though. I do remember thinking, many years ago, when the news showed graphic footage of the Isreali army beating up citizens who dared to protest at their treatment, that another generation of Arab militants had come about, and this has happened with monotonous regularity since.

Barrie

 

[Sacha]

But a forum is a place for such responses. The very invention of an internet discussion forum was designed to harbour constructive, intelligent discussion whilst discouraging pointless one sentence responses that was rife in the usenet (or whatever it's called) community. Go read the highly enlightening and interesting writings on chat-sites, facebook or twitter if you can't be bothered to read a fully constructed post. Besides people don't read long posts if it isn't constructed well, not if it's long.

A one sentence response, on the whole, is not an acceptable response to a discussion of this nature. And labelling someone as a racist shouldn't be acceptable, especially without highlighting why you would think that.