What makes the Israeli Army the greatest in the world?

[Chunky Beagle]

Israel defeated 6 established arab nations when it was under 30 years old. [removed by mod - insensitive]

They have yet to lose a war.

They are constantly at the forefront of new military achievments.

The IAF (Israeli Air Force) boasts the greatest pilots. In the six day war they destoryed 462 enemy aircraft while only losing 19.

Some of the most famous and daring special forces missions have been carried out by Israeli Forces, not to many there infamous Mossad outfit.

So what makes the IDF the worlds greatest fighting force?

 

They get more practise than most.

Plus a study of Jewish history might give one a clue.

I.E manyof the greatest thinkers in the world have been Jewish.

Like they took the cheftain tank and turned it into a proper tank e.t.c.

Earl

 

[Chunky Beagle]

Iran stands no chance

 

[Cornish Steve]

When your country faces extinction on a daily basis, you don't mess around. This is why "long-term planning" for an Israeli company means 3-6 months - and why Israeli companies sometimes appear to have no clearly defined strategy.

 

[Subbynet]

So what makes the IDF the worlds greatest fighting force?

A per-soldier spending on defence that even the US can't afford to compete with. Then you have all the secret projects which Israel won't even admit too.

Plus, I have to say, they're far from the greatest fighting force, as they're still fighting decades later - the war never finished.

 

[CKG]

Who's more better the SAS or SBS?

Bone question.

 

A per-soldier spending on defence that even the US can't afford to compete with. Then you have all the secret projects which Israel won't even admit too.

Plus, I have to say, they're far from the greatest fighting force, as they're still fighting decades later - the war never finished.

Oh they could finish the war pretty quickly,but one does not think the rest of the international community would be to happy about it.

I don't suppose any other nation has been continually at war since the 40's

hence practise makes perfect as every golfer knows.

Earl

 

[barrywolf]

Who's more better the SAS or SBS?

Bone question.

SAS has to be

 

[StephenW]

Have you seen "Raid on Entebbe" ?
See here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076594/#comment

Reminds of that saying "First duty of the state is to protect its citizens" or is it "The first duty of a government is to protect its people"?

 

[Chunky Beagle]

The raid didn't only save nearly all of the 100 hostages, they also managed to destroy around 50 enemy fighter jets and halt an entire Ugandan army with just a a select few.

 

[Dawg]

So what makes the IDF the worlds greatest fighting force?

Didn't look overly impressive in the Lebanon against Hezbollah in 2006, struggling for weeks against a semi-trained militia.

And then that stunt of abseiling onto the ship where people were waiting to wack them: hardly tactical genius was it?

Mythology. They beat up some of the crappest armies* in the world in the 1960s and 70s, this doesn't make them great.

*Remember some soldiers in these armies still rely on the Allahu Akbar system of weapon control: fire at random and let your God do the aiming.

 

Didn't look overly impressive in the Lebanon against Hezbollah in 2006, struggling for weeks against a semi-trained militia.

And then that stunt of abseiling onto the ship where people were waiting to wack them: hardly tactical genius was it?

Mythology. They beat up some of the crappest armies* in the world in the 1960s and 70s, this doesn't make them great.

*Remember some soldiers in these armies still rely on the Allahu Akbar system of weapon control: fire at random and let your God do the aiming.

Oh I suspect the kremlin may be a tad upset to hear there MIG's described as such.


must be all that wall kissing the jews do.


Earl

 

[directmarketingadvice]

Maybe the Taliban are the best, pound-for-pound? (and "£ for £")

They're 2/2 against superpowers (USSR and now USA).

Steve

 

[Becky Midgley]

As a peace-loving hippy, this thread gives me the chills. I'm not mad about it as a person but I'm not disgruntled about it as your community manager, and I think there have been some fair points made, but I am questioning why you are all having this discussion in the first place.

Anyway, I would like to request that all nations and races be respected please, no matter whether you personally think they are 'good' or 'bad'.

Just be careful here please, is all I'm saying.

Cheers

 

[GaryMc]

Can we still call scientologists stupid though?

 

As a peace-loving hippy, this thread gives me the chills. I'm not mad about it as a person but I'm not disgruntled about it as your community manager, and I think there have been some fair points made, but I am questioning why you are all having this discussion in the first place.

Aqusition of knowledge arising from the OP's statement.

Without debate mankind may still be living in caves.

Anyone got any bat spray.?:|

Earl

 

[Dawg]

Just be careful here please, is all I'm saying.

Tad passive/aggressive eh uber-mod?
" just be careful or you sleep with the phishes.."

 

[Becky Midgley]

Without debate mankind may still be living in caves.

Anyone got any bat spray.?:|l

Oi! I'm a caver too, and I've learned to love those bats; wonderful, amazing creatures that they are, did you know they are one of the longest-living mammals and can live upto 30-40 years?! You get yer mits off 'em!

 

Oi! I'm a caver too, and I've learned to love those bats;

Well that explains it.

in the Belfry.e.t.c.

My Koi can live to be 200 years old.

Although I suspect that cat has other ideas.:|

Earl

 

[Jeff FV]

Maybe the Taliban are the best, pound-for-pound? (and "£ for £")

They're 2/2 against superpowers (USSR and now USA).

Steve

No army has had a successful campaign in Afghanistan since Ghengis Khan in circa 1229.

I'd say its 3 from 3 for the Afghans v superpowers - Britain, USSR, USA.

Its not called the graveyard of Empires for nothing. I just wish our politicians would have a closer look at history.

Jeff

 

[directmarketingadvice]

Its not called the graveyard of Empires for nothing. I just wish our politicians would have a closer look at history.

Paul Flynn MP tells a story:

In 2001 an ebullient member of the Russian Duma thumped me on the back and gave me his mock congratulations. "You Brits are very clever. You have captured Afghanistan. We Russians did that – in six days. We were there for 10 years. We spent billions of rubles, killed a million Afghanis, and lost 15,000 of our soldiers. When we ran out, there were 300,000 Mujahadin in the hills around Kabul. It will happen to you."

Steve

 

[directmarketingadvice]

Here's what happened when the Brits retreated after the first British-Afghan war:

On 1 January 1842, following some unusual thinking by Elphinstone, which may have had something to do with the poor defensibility of the cantonment, an agreement was reached that provided for the safe exodus of the British garrison and its dependants from Afghanistan. Five days later, the withdrawal began. The departing British contingent numbered around 16,000, of which about 4,500 were military personnel, and over 12,000 were civilian camp followers. The military force consisted mostly of Indian units and one British battalion, 44th Regiment of Foot.

Despite the safe-passage the British had been granted, they were attacked by Ghilzai warriors as they struggled through the snowbound passes. The evacuees were harassed down the 30 miles (48 km) of treacherous gorges and passes lying along the Kabul River between Kabul and Gandamak, and were massacred at the Gandamak pass before the survivors reached the besieged garrison at Jalalabad. The force had been reduced to fewer than forty men by a withdrawal from Kabul that had become, towards the end, a running battle through two feet of snow. The ground was frozen, the men had no shelter and had little food for weeks. Of the remaining weapons possessed by the survivors, there were approximately a dozen working muskets, the officers' pistols and a few swords. The remnants of the 44th were all killed except Captain James Souter, Sergeant Fair and seven soldiers who were taken prisoner.[10] The only Briton to reach Jalalabad was Dr. William Brydon.

(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War)

Steve

 

[Cornish Steve]

My grandfather fought in the Afghan wars of 1919. He told all kinds of stories about it. For example, if British soldiers lay wounded, the Afghan women would come out at night to finish them off. The greatest weapon the British had, though, were the Gurkhas. If the Afghans killed one of them, his colleagues would rush up into the hills and not come back until they had exacted revenge.

It's an entirely different philosophy and approach to war, and they know how to take advantage of our rules of engagement.

 

Here's what happened when the Brits retreated after the first British-Afghan war:



(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Afghan_War)

Steve

Thats it Butlins again for me this year.

Earl

 

[Gillie]

Israel defeated 6 established arab nations when it was under 30 years old. [removed by mod - insensitive]

They have yet to lose a war.

They are constantly at the forefront of new military achievments.

The IAF (Israeli Air Force) boasts the greatest pilots. In the six day war they destoryed 462 enemy aircraft while only losing 19.

Some of the most famous and daring special forces missions have been carried out by Israeli Forces, not to many there infamous Mossad outfit.

So what makes the IDF the worlds greatest fighting force?

Ok, so what's the agenda behind this thread please?

Call me suspicious (Don't you dare Earl!) but seems a mighty strange topic to just suddenly bring up, therefore me being a sensitive type - just wondering who is in for a bashing with this thread or rather what the point of it is - and yes, I know I start some pretty useless threads, but don't usually go for something thats more than a tad political and rather strange and or controversial that starts to go down the realms of race and religion etc!

 

[360interactive]

Agree with Gillie, what a strange post to make...

The OP was almost written in a spammy way. Maybe Chunky Beagle is just a big lover of Isreal? Who knows.

 

[Gillie]

Agree with Gillie, what a strange post to make...

The OP was almost written in a spammy way. Maybe Chunky Beagle is just a big lover of Isreal? Who knows.

Hey, I am Jewish, but wouldnt dream of putting up a thread about how great someone was or rather how great a set of people were in the action of killing other people!!

Doesn't anyone see the macabre side of this thread at all?

Shall we go start one about that taxi driver guy who went on a spree in Cumbria or how about lets all jump on the facebook waggon and go sing the delights of that Raol chap - as thats almost what it equates too - singing the praises of a killing machine!!

You lot are just plain weird!!!!

 

[directmarketingadvice]

Thats it Butlins again for me this year.

If your only two holiday options are Afghanistan or Butlins, you might want to expand your choices.

Steve

PS Nothing wrong with Butlins. My family went there many times. It's like Disneyland for poor people.

(Attribution: I nicked that joke from "My Name is Earl".)

 

[Esk247]

If your only two holiday options are Afghanistan or Butlins, you might want to expand your choices.

Steve

PS Nothing wrong with Butlins. My family went there many times. It's like Disneyland for poor people.

(Attribution: I nicked that joke from "My Name is Earl".)

Can you even put Disneyland and Butlins in the same sentence? one is magical the other is full of chip fat.

i went to butlins once, wasn't my choice, hated the place and it's 8 foot perimeter fence.

 

[directmarketingadvice]

Ok, so what's the agenda behind this thread please?

Good question.

Maybe his next thread will be a discussion about which country produces the best suicide bombers?

Steve

 

The Israelis are 'so good' because they have been funded, trained, etc by the yanks and others. they have so much hardware, and are on a constant state of alert, and have had so much practice that they are now 'good' (whatever 'good' means)

They show no restraint usually, and answer everything that comes their way with extreme force (I particularly like the helicopter gunships they send out when you kill one of theirs...mean but extremely effective).

I understand the reason for the creation of their state, but I'd have to question anyone who thought it would be an easy ride when it was being stuck slap bang in the middle of a load of arab countries, who are traditional enemies.

They are the small nation, surrounded by larger and very aggressive nations, so they have over-compensated and this allows them to live in some relative freedom, which I suppose was the whole idea in the first place.

Not so sure they should be attacking ships with aid workers on them though, but thats another discussion.

 

Can you even put Disneyland and Butlins in the same sentence? one is magical the other is full of chip fat.

You should not describle your american cousins that way.

You know how touchy O,Barmy is.:|

Earl

 

The Israelis are 'so good' because they have been funded, trained, etc by the yanks and others. they have so much hardware, and are on a constant state of alert, and have had so much practice that they are now 'good' (whatever 'good' means)

Not quite right Jewish americans along with nearly every jew in the world make sure Isreal gets all it need to exist.

Given the jews history of appalling treatment by the world in general.

Is anyone surprised.?

Interesting bit will be how they interact with China ,once China becomes the world super power.?

Earl

 

[owas]

could it be that the people there have faced so much hardship in the past / present that they are rightly minded that to protect there children's future they have to be the best the quickest and the most skilled when it comes to war?

 

[Beachcomber]

Oi! I'm a caver too, and I've learned to love those bats.........

So the rumours are true, you are indeed...............................
http://www.ultimatepartyshop.com/shopimages/products/normal/batgirl.jpg

 

[Chunky Beagle]

This is a section for any topic, and I thought I would enter the UKBF community into a debate about a middle eastern power that wrongly gets bad press from all over the world.

Most of the media today has an anti-Israel bias.

A question about how one of the worlds youngest countries could acheive a top military status around the globe is surely a fair one to ask?

 

[Gillie]

So you basically - for the sheer hell of it then - start a topic about the glorification of death and how efficient they are at it??

Plus lets throw some religion and race in to it as well .... wow, did you pull legs off spiders as a kid as well??

 

[Chunky Beagle]

So you basically - for the sheer hell of it then - start a topic about the glorification of death and how efficient they are at it??

Plus lets throw some religion and race in to it as well .... wow, did you pull legs off spiders as a kid as well??

Excuse me?

Please quote where I have "Glorified death"?

This is a topic about military history.

You have just made yourself look very foolish.

 

[Gillie]

Israel defeated 6 established arab nations when it was under 30 years old. [removed by mod - insensitive]

They have yet to lose a war.

They are constantly at the forefront of new military achievments.

The IAF (Israeli Air Force) boasts the greatest pilots. In the six day war they destoryed 462 enemy aircraft while only losing 19.

Some of the most famous and daring special forces missions have been carried out by Israeli Forces, not to many there infamous Mossad outfit.

So what makes the IDF the worlds greatest fighting force?

So talking about greatest fighting force, you talk about their acheivements, and how well they do, that is not glorifying death?? Ok, so they managed to do all this yet didnt kill one person??

Glorify = praise - something you do in your opening post!

So by pointing out that you wish to chat about death and praise an efficient machine you state I am making a fool of myself?

I don't even have to reply to such a statement - you have just answered it for me with your crass statement ...

 

[Chunky Beagle]

So talking about greatest fighting force, you talk about their acheivements, and how well they do, that is not glorifying death?? Ok, so they managed to do all this yet didnt kill one person??

Glorify = praise - something you do in your opening post!

So by pointing out that you wish to chat about death and praise an efficient machine you state I am making a fool of myself?

I don't even have to reply to such a statement - you have just answered it for me with your crass statement ...

So by your logic, praising the achievments of the Allied powers in WW2 is glorifing death?