Vaccine Passports

[Forgot password]

I have another part owned establishment in Nottinghamshire which is another ‘football’ pub and as sure as eggs are eggs that too will be half of what it should be even on a match day if health ID’s are required for entry even though I have found people from Notts a lot more obedient and softer shall we say. Will be the death bell for many.

 

[Aniela]

If anyone would like a read...

https://peerlessreads.s3.us-east-2....eXTnDJ3_u4Gl8EyD6VFFwg3LYaDjCl23uywJSm9Y6A_i4

Someone who would go out their way to write all that, which is deeply flawed on so many levels, has some very extreme underlying (mental health?) issues.

I don't mean offence to to the person that wrote it, but it actually makes me feel sorry for them and hope they get the help they need.

They seem to have an extreme hatred for the UK (and others) government, and that's all their writing is based on. It's all very strange behaviour.

EDIT: It appears to be written by Peerless Read. Basically, the equivalent of 'Ancient Aliens' - Fitting things together, that don't go together, to create a false truth. Seen his videos before.

 

[MarkOnline]

I have another part owned establishment in Nottinghamshire which is another ‘football’ pub and as sure as eggs are eggs that too will be half of what it should be even on a match day if health ID’s are required for entry even though I have found people from Notts a lot more obedient and softer shall we say. Will be the death bell for many.

I dont understand this. If your demographic is mainly under 50 its going to be difficult to produce a health passport if they havent had the jab.

 

[Jeff FV]

A question for @Justin Smith and @Forgot password no agenda, just genuinely curious (anyone else can answer, too)

I understand your arguments against vaccine passports. Let us say they are not compulsory, would you object to them being optional.?

ie, an individual business can choose to insist on them (vaccine passports), or a business can choose to not require them.

Leave it up to the individual business, or do you think they shouldn’t be allowed at all?

 

[Forgot password]

A question for @Justin Smith and @Forgot password no agenda, just genuinely curious (anyone else can answer, too)

I understand your arguments against vaccine passports. Let us say they are not compulsory, would you object to them being optional.?

ie, an individual business can choose to insist on them (vaccine passports), or a business can choose to not require them.

Leave it up to the individual business, or do you think they shouldn’t be allowed at all?

Ah logic and reason at last - optional absolutely fine with, in fact that’s very sensible, it’s just what it might lead onto ie the ones that opt out becoming outcasts in societies eyes.

 

[Mr D]

Ah logic and reason at last - optional absolutely fine with, in fact that’s very sensible, it’s just what it might lead onto ie the ones that opt out becoming outcasts in societies eyes.

And if the option you chose instead hurt your business - would you then change it?

 

[Interestedobserver]

Because the ‘crowd’ of lads that attend have told me so in the group WhatsApp chat, satisfied now?

This thing is dividing people and whatever you think or judgemental you are the ‘lads culture group’ which is quite a big driver of our business model and many sports type boozers are very anti health passports and it looks like most MP’s are now from latest news reports also repelling this so not sure why you and D and a few others are so happy to get walked over so easily and happily hand over your freedoms so readily.

Ah logic and reason at last - optional absolutely fine with, in fact that’s very sensible, it’s just what it might lead onto ie the ones that opt out becoming outcasts in societies eyes.

It's Derby County fans - they are social outcasts already - they don't need track and trace for that!

And Forest fans aren't softer they are harder

You need the Forest supporters at your place not the Derby ones. Theres way more Forest fans in Loughborough than Derby by the way.

That's your problem you've got the wrong clientele

 

[Interestedobserver]

Forgot Password

I take it you are aware every time a Forest or Derby fan wants to buy tickets to watch their team play they are only allowed to do so because they have registered with the club with their full name, address and contact details and the exact seat where they sit in the stadiums can be traced back to them at any stage?

Alongside everything they do walking in and out and whilst in the stadium on CCTV

Do anything wrong they can be banned for life etc.

Being a football fan is even more tightly policed than the pub track and trace will be. You can't just turn up on a day and buy football tickets for games any more. Those days are long gone. Football fans are more used to having to give details for everything they do involving their club than anybody else who will ever go in your pub?

And furthermore supporters clubs are the nice, friendly and organised element of football fans.

The hooligans don't get involved in stuff like that. It's too lame. The supporters club members will all also already need to be registered just to be part of the supporters club and to be able to access supporters club benefits. You ain't getting DCFC hooligans in your pub having supporters club meetings in Loughborugh on a Monday night!

It's ridiculous that they would then be concerned about having to give details to go in your pub/club on a Monday night for a supporters club meeting. You've been watching too many hooligan films.

Hooligans on the other hand on a match day - that's a different kettle of fish. For sure they wont want people knowing who they are. They will love the fact they can wears masks now. If they can avoid track and trace they will but at the end of the day they will want a drink somehwere.

As it happens you clearly know zero about football as you called them Derby City to start with?

 

[Interestedobserver]

Getting more and more confident that MPs are listening over domestic VaccinePassports

They know it’s wrong, how many will want to be remembered as facilitating a divided nation and collapsing the Hospitality industry.

Just a few of you on here left defending them I guess, and we all know who you are and let’s be honest your not really the pub types are you? You have completely mis read the room here but thought you were clever as were backing your masters regardless. I am sorry we won’t be seeing you in any pub anytime soon.

I grew up living in two of the busiest pubs in the midlands which my parents owned. From the age of 6 to the age of 24 I lived above pubs.

Bottled up when I was younger, glass collected as I got older, worked behind the bar when I was old enough and locked up.

I've travelled Europe many times and probably visited more pubs than you ever will supporting my football team.

For sure I think I know enough about football supporters and pubs to be able to know that you are making a drama up that's not there.

If football fans travel to games home or away and are told they need to sign in somehow to get a drink. Trust me they will sign in rather than not get a drink. They aren't going to sit outside in protest!

I've been to away games where we've never even left the pub to go into the game. Or we've left the games at half time to go back to the pub.

So don't tell me Im not a pub person. Been there, seen it done it.

And you clearly aren't a football person.

 

[Justin Smith]

A question for @Justin Smith and @Forgot password no agenda, just genuinely curious (anyone else can answer, too)

I understand your arguments against vaccine passports. Let us say they are not compulsory, would you object to them being optional.?

ie, an individual business can choose to insist on them (vaccine passports), or a business can choose to not require them.

Leave it up to the individual business, or do you think they shouldn’t be allowed at all?

I would not object any where near as much to optional vaccine passports, mainly because I don't actually think most businesses would use them, and even those that did would drop them relatively soon.
However, the government trying to encourage their use is sending out all the wrong messages.
The fact is that the vaccines are far more effective (in preventing serious illness) than anyone could have dreamed, and they have vaccinated far more people (in the UK at least) than anyone could have dreamed. Thus none of these measures are necessary anymore so it is time to encourage people to get back to normal and the government should be changing their whole approach to foster that.
I genuinely think the problem is that the government have been trying so hard to scare everyone ("to ensure compliance") that they have not only scared the public beyond rational limits but they have also scared themselves.

 

[Justin Smith]

Getting more and more confident that MPs are listening over domestic VaccinePassports
They know it’s wrong, how many will want to be remembered as facilitating a divided nation and collapsing the Hospitality industry.
Just a few of you on here left defending them I guess, and we all know who you are and let’s be honest your not really the pub types are you? You have completely mis read the room here but thought you were clever as were backing your masters regardless. I am sorry we won’t be seeing you in any pub anytime soon.

I am getting quietly confident that this idea will be dropped. It was very positive to hear James Cleverley on Any Questions last night repeatedly mentioning that Vaccine Passports were "just being explored".

 

[Interestedobserver]

There's going to be some sort of vaccine passport ongoing alongside some kind of track and trace

I've no doubt about that. For international travel for certain and it will filter down into other things

Where it adds value

And it will be as much about preventing future full lockdowns than anything else

On thing we have learnt the last 12 months plus is you always need to be one step ahead all of the time and know what is happening with variants and where it's happening

All the debate both sides will just lead to something in time that works and will be invaluable to all of us overall

Compared to not having anything and a free for all for this pandemic and future pandemics to take control

 

[Justin Smith]

There's going to be some sort of vaccine passport ongoing alongside some kind of track and trace

I've no doubt about that. For international travel for certain and it will filter down into other things

Where it adds value

And it will be as much about preventing future full lockdowns than anything else

On thing we have learnt the last 12 months plus is you always need to be one step ahead all of the time and know what is happening with variants and where it's happening

All the debate both sides will just lead to something in time that works and will be invaluable to all of us overall

Compared to not having anything and a free for all for this pandemic and future pandemics to take control

So you're saying we should significantly alter our society for the worse, possibly forever, "just in case". For a theoretical threat which does not actually exist at the moment.
That, is irrational, particularly when the threat from Covid even if vaccines topped working altogether, is not catastrophic anyway (199 out of 200 survive....).
BTW, Test & Trace can never work, even the Germans have discovered that It is a waste of money:

1 - People do not want to spend up to 2 weeks in their house. That's a given, so people have to be very motivated to do that, even if they are paid to do so, unless it is an obscene amount of money
2 - People are even less likely to want to self isolate if they only have a 1 in 50 (or whatever) chance of having Covid because they have, apparently, been in contact with someone infected.
3 - Because of the vaccine people know them spreading Covid is very unlikely to kill anyone, so they do not even have the altruistic motivation for self isolating.
4 - Even being tested, an essential starting point of T&T is becoming less used. I was speaking to someone who went for a test and it was empty. If I knew I'd be told to self isolate, and possibly shut my business because my staff (having been in contact with me) would also have to self isolate, quite simply I would not take a test. And my staff have also said the same thing. None of it is necessary anyway, because we have all had the vaccine.

 

[bodgitt&scarperLTD]

There's going to be some sort of vaccine passport ongoing alongside some kind of track and trace

I've no doubt about that. For international travel for certain and it will filter down into other things

Where it adds value

And it will be as much about preventing future full lockdowns than anything else

On thing we have learnt the last 12 months plus is you always need to be one step ahead all of the time and know what is happening with variants and where it's happening

All the debate both sides will just lead to something in time that works and will be invaluable to all of us overall

Compared to not having anything and a free for all for this pandemic and future pandemics to take control

I know I keep asking, but when will you learn to use paragraphs? Spacing each sentence with a carriage break doesn't make you sound like a wise old sage (as I fondly magine you believe), it just makes you sound unhinged.

 

[Mr D]

I know I keep asking, but when will you learn to use paragraphs? Spacing each sentence with a carriage break doesn't make you sound like a wise old sage (as I fondly magine you believe), it just makes you sound unhinged.

It is however easier to read than some who use dense paragraphs.

 

[Mr D]

So you're saying we should significantly alter our society for the worse, possibly forever, "just in case". For a theoretical threat which does not actually exist at the moment.
That, is irrational, particularly when the threat from Covid even if vaccines topped working altogether, is not catastrophic anyway (199 out of 200 survive....).
BTW, Test & Trace can never work, even the Germans have discovered that It is a waste of money:

1 - People do not want to spend up to 2 weeks in their house. That's a given, so people have to be very motivated to do that, even if they are paid to do so, unless it is an obscene amount of money
2 - People are even less likely to want to self isolate if they only have a 1 in 50 (or whatever) chance of having Covid because they have, apparently, been in contact with someone infected.
3 - Because of the vaccine people know them spreading Covid is very unlikely to kill anyone, so they do not even have the altruistic motivation for self isolating.
4 - Even being tested, an essential starting point of T&T is becoming less used. I was speaking to someone who went for a test and it was empty. If I knew I'd be told to self isolate, and possibly shut my business because my staff (having been in contact with me) would also have to self isolate, quite simply I would not take a test. And my staff have also said the same thing. None of it is necessary anyway, because we have all had the vaccine.

No we don't need to alter our society at all.

Just accept lockdowns next time some similarly problematic virus comes along.

Strangely we have altered our society to deal with war, famine, refugees, homeless, drug users, sexually transmitted diseases, disability, age and sex. So what is one more change?

 

[Justin Smith]

No we don't need to alter our society at all.
Just accept lockdowns next time some similarly problematic virus comes along.
Strangely we have altered our society to deal with war, famine, refugees, homeless, drug users, sexually transmitted diseases, disability, age and sex. So what is one more change?

Ahh, at last we agree on something.

 

[Ian J]

I have found people from Notts a lot more obedient and softer shall we say.

Wasn't it a park in Nottingham that was jam packed to the gunwales earlier in the week?

 

[Mr D]

Wasn't it a park in Nottingham that was jam packed to the gunwales earlier in the week?

Yes. Hundreds turned out in the sun.

Perhaps he doesn't know the people of nottingham as well as he thinks.

Covid: 'Madness' as hundreds descend on Nottingham park - BBC News

 

[Mr D]

Ahh, at last we agree on something.

No.

I am not in favour of having more lockdowns, never have been. I'd prefer we set things up so we don't need them again.
We've altered society for so many other things. Did you complain about those changes at the time? Did you take action against being forced to wear seat belts, pay council tax, pay TV license, pay VAT, pay car insurance etc?

 

[Interestedobserver]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56625307

Vaccine passport trials set to begin soon

 

[Justin Smith]

Well, well, well. And now, what was obvious to many of us, comes out :

State of fear: how ministers ‘used covert tactics’ to keep scared public at home
Government’s ‘psychological strategies’ to manipulate unwitting public’s behaviour may backfire and lead to long-term damage, experts claim
(Daily Telegraph 2 Apr 21)

This is exactly what I have been saying right from the beginning, and getting people telling me I was paranoid (or similar) with particular reference to this bit :
may backfire and lead to long-term damage

And that is exactly what is happening now. That is why, apparently, a majority in this country support waiting months more to get back top normal and, almost unbelievably, support vaccine passports when it is all absolutely unnecessary now that we have vaccinated 31 million people with vaccines which prevent serious illness at approaching 100% effectiveness

 

[Justin Smith]

Yes. Hundreds turned out in the sun.
Perhaps he doesn't know the people of nottingham as well as he thinks.
Covid: 'Madness' as hundreds descend on Nottingham park - BBC News

No, they are not mad, they are sensible. We do not need any more of these suppression measures, anyone with a rational brain can see that, and it was outside anyway where even "the experts" have admitted you are very unlikely to catch Covid.
In fact, to me, they are heroes, because it is only people ignoring these draconian and unnecessary restrictions on our lives that we have any hope of getting back to normal.
The only think those folks did wrong was leave their litter there, that, and only that, is unacceptable.

 

[Interestedobserver]

No, they are not mad, they are sensible. We do not need any more of these suppression measures, anyone with a rational brain can see that, and it was outside anyway where even "the experts" have admitted you are very unlikely to catch Covid.
In fact, to me, they are heroes, because it is only people ignoring these draconian and unnecessary restrictions on our lives that we have any hope of getting back to normal.
The only think those folks did wrong was leave their litter there, that, and only that, is unacceptable.

The fact they left the litter tells you enough that they don't give a toss about anybody but themselves

Luckily like you they are in the minority and most people know how to act and behave

You support people who do this. You also support people who create civil unrest

You wouldn't if they left the litter where you live or created the civil unrest at your shop

Because that impacts you personally

The majority don't care less if they have to have a vaccine passport.

The majority aren't drama queens and just get on with life

 

[Interestedobserver]

I totally disagree with the article that a state of fear will mean people will change what they do

Many people want to work at home now because they prefer it. Plenty will be delighted to have to commute less. Who enjoys commuting? Let's be honest?

Nothing to do with fear at all.

I will change lots of things o do in my life. For the better.

Zero to do with fear.

I was forced into making big changes in my life.

Would have been still right in the middle of a ratrace without being forced to change

And now I have much better work life mix

Loads like me Justin

Won't be fear of anything that changes what I do. Will be personal choice to not throw myself back into a the mix of stress of travelling in and out of cities and having face to face meetings with people that aren't actually needed to be face to face

That's why normal will never return

Many will do things differently. Businesses themselves have found better and more economic ways of operating. Through necessity. But they too can see economic benefits.

The world has changed for good.

To blame the changes on fear is wrong IMO.

Its about personal choice

You can't force people to go back to doing things they don't want to do.

The last 12 months will have been an eye opener for so many

You only have to see the surveys to know the mood of employees and employers has changed

Don't be scared of change Justin.

Embrace it

 

[Interestedobserver]

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/property/ftse-100-firms-london-office-wfh-b926855.html

Flexible working will be the new normal

 

[MarkOnline]

No, they are not mad, they are sensible. We do not need any more of these suppression measures, anyone with a rational brain can see that, and it was outside anyway where even "the experts" have admitted you are very unlikely to catch Covid.
In fact, to me, they are heroes, because it is only people ignoring these draconian and unnecessary restrictions on our lives that we have any hope of getting back to normal.
The only think those folks did wrong was leave their litter there, that, and only that, is unacceptable.

Im not a fan of a demonstration whose organisers have used the strap line "Kill the bill" quite emotive language wouldnt you say. I dont want a police state either but Im a big fan of law and order. I am still under the impression that we are a democratic society and have processes in place to instigate change ( I am aware my perception coud be delusional though) The French aristocracy seemed to have got the message when "the people" got the guillotine out.

 

[MikeJ]

Well, well, well. And now, what was obvious to many of us, comes out :

State of fear: how ministers ‘used covert tactics’ to keep scared public at home
Government’s ‘psychological strategies’ to manipulate unwitting public’s behaviour may backfire and lead to long-term damage, experts claim
(Daily Telegraph 2 Apr 21)

This is exactly what I have been saying right from the beginning, and getting people telling me I was paranoid (or similar) with particular reference to this bit :
may backfire and lead to long-term damage

And that is exactly what is happening now. That is why, apparently, a majority in this country support waiting months more to get back top normal and, almost unbelievably, support vaccine passports when it is all absolutely unnecessary now that we have vaccinated 31 million people with vaccines which prevent serious illness at approaching 100% effectiveness

Newspaper that is against further lockdowns finds "experts" to back up their position. People that should know better repost this as "facts". Other people bang their heads on desks.

 

[Mr D]

No, they are not mad, they are sensible. We do not need any more of these suppression measures, anyone with a rational brain can see that, and it was outside anyway where even "the experts" have admitted you are very unlikely to catch Covid.
In fact, to me, they are heroes, because it is only people ignoring these draconian and unnecessary restrictions on our lives that we have any hope of getting back to normal.
The only think those folks did wrong was leave their litter there, that, and only that, is unacceptable.

So disagree with the BBC.
You won't be the first!

 

[Mr D]

Well, well, well. And now, what was obvious to many of us, comes out :

State of fear: how ministers ‘used covert tactics’ to keep scared public at home
Government’s ‘psychological strategies’ to manipulate unwitting public’s behaviour may backfire and lead to long-term damage, experts claim
(Daily Telegraph 2 Apr 21)

This is exactly what I have been saying right from the beginning, and getting people telling me I was paranoid (or similar) with particular reference to this bit :
may backfire and lead to long-term damage

And that is exactly what is happening now. That is why, apparently, a majority in this country support waiting months more to get back top normal and, almost unbelievably, support vaccine passports when it is all absolutely unnecessary now that we have vaccinated 31 million people with vaccines which prevent serious illness at approaching 100% effectiveness

And yet people still going into hospital who have had vaccination.

Why is that?

 

[Mr D]

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/property/ftse-100-firms-london-office-wfh-b926855.html

Flexible working will be the new normal

Indeed.
I'm looking at spending half my working week working from home.
Cuts my travelling costs by almost half. Saves considerable travelling time. Leaves me less exhausted.

There are advantages to getting into the office. There are disadvantages too.

 

[Mr D]

Im not a fan of a demonstration whose organisers have used the strap line "Kill the bill" quite emotive language wouldnt you say. I dont want a police state either but Im a big fan of law and order. I am still under the impression that we are a democratic society and have processes in place to instigate change ( I am aware my perception coud be delusional though) The French aristocracy seemed to have got the message when "the people" got the guillotine out.

It appears the protests could be the element that pushes the bill through.
Having problems in protests about a bill that has elements to do with protests?????

Most protest marches appear relatively peaceful. You don't read about police being injured, stuff thrown at police, vehicles set alight etc.

 

[MarkOnline]

Vacination Passports are being trialed, should be intersting.

 

[Justin Smith]

Newspaper that is against further lockdowns finds "experts" to back up their position. People that should know better repost this as "facts". Other people bang their heads on desks.

You are forgetting that what they say is absolutely obvious to anyone who cares to look :

1 - "This virus is indiscriminate" (it quite plainly is not)

2 - "Long Covid" (it affects between in 1 in 50 and 1 in 60 and is defined as any symptom however mild still l being experienced 3 months after infection, then they surreptitiously changed the definition to after 2 months so as to increase the numbers . More than once I have had viral infections which I still haven't fully shaken off after a couple of months, it is common). They have since cut the definition to 5 weeks.....

3 - Government advert "that person in the park is highly likely to have Covid" (the actual chance was about 1 in 40 to 1 in 50). plus the fact you are highly unlikely to catch Covid outdoors anyway

4 - The BBC [not the government, but they're all singing from the same hymn sheet at the moment] constantly report about young people in hospital when most of those dying in hospital are older. Even worse the Beeb having as their lead item of news a man telling the heart rending tale of watching his wife die of Covid (it is very sad and many people are dying, but that "story" is arguably not even news, it certainly should not be lead item on the BBC News website, unless they are pushing the "fear" agenda, particularly to younger people).

 

[Justin Smith]

And yet people still going into hospital who have had vaccination.
Why is that?

Some people are still going to go into hospital, and, sadly, die of Covid. Not many though, and certainly not enough to put the NHS under intolerable strain, nor enough to change our whole society to avoid it. Not in a rational world anyway.

 

[Mr D]

You are forgetting that what they say is absolutely obvious to anyone who cares to look :

1 - "This virus is indiscriminate" (it quite plainly is not)

2 - "Long Covid" (it affects between in 1 in 50 and 1 in 60 and is defined as any symptom however mild still l being experienced 3 months after infection, then they surreptitiously changed the definition to after 2 months so as to increase the numbers . More than once I have had viral infections which I still haven't fully shaken off after a couple of months, it is common). They have since cut the definition to 5 weeks.....

3 - Government advert "that person in the park is highly likely to have Covid" (the actual chance was about 1 in 40 to 1 in 50). plus the fact you are highly unlikely to catch Covid outdoors anyway

4 - The BBC [not the government, but they're all singing from the same hymn sheet at the moment] constantly report about young people in hospital when most of those dying in hospital are older. Even worse the Beeb having as their lead item of news a man telling the heart rending tale of watching his wife die of Covid (it is very sad and many people are dying, but that "story" is arguably not even news, it certainly should not be lead item on the BBC News website, unless they are pushing the "fear" agenda, particularly to younger people).

2 - Fresh evidence of the scale and scope of long covid | The BMJ
NICE guideline on long covid | The BMJ
Long covid: How to define it and how to manage it | The BMJ
Long Covid: More than a million affected in February, survey suggests - BBC News
The tragedy of long COVID - Harvard Health Blog - Harvard Health Publishing
Long Covid: what are the symptoms and how long does it take to recover? | BHF

 

[John Hemming]

And yet people still going into hospital who have had vaccination.

Why is that?

People have immune systems that vary in their effectiveness. Those people with weaker immune systems also tend to be less responsive to vaccines as well as suffering more from infection.

 

[Mr D]

Some people are still going to go into hospital, and, sadly, die of Covid. Not many though, and certainly not enough to put the NHS under intolerable strain, nor enough to change our whole society to avoid it. Not in a rational world anyway.

Not many?
So how many were going in as at the last figures I gave you? Around half of those going in would have been invited to be vaccinated.

Statistics » COVID-19 Hospital Activity (england.nhs.uk)
444 in a day (7th March).
77 age 85+
74 age 75 - 84
70 age 65 - 74

So around similar figures to early October as I recall.

What happened in early October?

Covid: Sage scientists called for short lockdown weeks ago - BBC News

Covid-19: Labour calls for short lockdown in England, and Ronaldo tests positive - BBC News

So - should we plan to enter lockdown again soon as current hospital admittance figures for early March show similar to last time lockdown was called for?

 

[Mr D]

People have immune systems that vary in their effectiveness. Those people with weaker immune systems also tend to be less responsive to vaccines as well as suffering more from infection.

Indeed.
Hence a really bad idea to try claiming that people don't go into hospital or that vaccines prevent serious illness. As some have done.

Even the vaccine makers tend to give figures as a range - different age groups and different people within the age groups affecting the figures.

 

[Talay]

Thinking about this, outside the box for a moment, I realise that I'm actually already running a Covid Passport scheme in my business. We're only a small company so we don't need any big system to manage hundreds or thousands of employees, but as my staff are being vaccinated we're gradually re-introducing them to the office. Those who haven't been vaccinated yet are still staying away from the office until they have been vaccinated, their choice.

In very simplistic terms, isn't that the passport system?
"You've not had the jab, you're not coming in"

Good luck with the lawyers when one of your employees sues you for discrimination.

Do you also discriminate against employees who don't have a flu or measles jab, perhaps didn't update their tetanus inoculation, undertake risky sports or anything else which could theoretically pose a risk to your business ?