Understanding SA302 Tax calculation form - utterly confused

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If a self employed person makes £55,200 a year pre tax, would he get taxed as a higher rate tax payer or standard rate? since after the personal allowance kicks in he would drop under the higher rate tax threshold with his taxable income being £42,630.00. Should a SA302 tax calculation form then have 40% taxation in it or not?

Ai tells me "Income Tax Error: The inclusion of a higher rate tax (£1,971.60 on £4,929.00 at 40%) is incorrect. With a taxable income of £42,630.00, all should be taxed at 20%, resulting in £8,526.00, not £9,512.00."

But then again salary calculators remove 40% from the £4,929.00 (the amount above the 20% threshold) so even though my taxable income is £42,630.00 I still get charged under the higher rate?

Could someone help me here and clarify things for me please.
 
If a self employed person makes £55,200 a year pre tax, would he get taxed as a higher rate tax payer or standard rate? since after the personal allowance kicks in he would drop under the higher rate tax threshold with his taxable income being £42,630.00. Should a SA302 tax calculation form then have 40% taxation in it or not?

Ai tells me "Income Tax Error: The inclusion of a higher rate tax (£1,971.60 on £4,929.00 at 40%) is incorrect. With a taxable income of £42,630.00, all should be taxed at 20%, resulting in £8,526.00, not £9,512.00."

But then again salary calculators remove 40% from the £4,929.00 (the amount above the 20% threshold) so even though my taxable income is £42,630.00 I still get charged under the higher rate?

Could someone help me here and clarify things for me please.
AI is incorrect, or maybe the way you have asked the question has led to an incorrect answer.
The basic rate threshold is between £12,571 and £50,270 which means you are allowed to earn £12,570 tax free and £37,700 at the basic rate of tax of 20%.
Your Income is £42,630 which means that £4,930 should be taxed at the higher rate of 40%.
 
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All explained and done for you here:


Don’t use AI for this sort of thing. It will almost always be wrong.
 
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You have used taxable income in your calculation, presumably meaning income over your tax free allowance? You start with all income, then start applying the different tax bands
 
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Ai tells me "Income Tax Error: The inclusion of a higher rate tax (£1,971.60 on £4,929.00 at 40%) is incorrect. With a taxable income of £42,630.00, all should be taxed at 20%, resulting in £8,526.00, not £9,512.00."

Don't go anywhere AI for something like this, unless you know enough to understand and check the results :eek:
 
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AI is incorrect, or maybe the way you have asked the question has led to an incorrect answer.
The basic rate threshold is between £12,571 and £50,270 which means you are allowed to earn £12,570 tax free and £37,700 at the basic rate of tax of 20%.
Your Income is £42,630 which means that £4,930 should be taxed at the higher rate of 40%.


And therefore a SA302 tax calculation form should show the 40% deduction right?
 
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If a self employed person makes £55,200 a year pre tax, would he get taxed as a higher rate tax payer or standard rate? since after the personal allowance kicks in he would drop under the higher rate tax threshold with his taxable income being £42,630.00. Should a SA302 tax calculation form then have 40% taxation in it or not?

Ai tells me "Income Tax Error: The inclusion of a higher rate tax (£1,971.60 on £4,929.00 at 40%) is incorrect. With a taxable income of £42,630.00, all should be taxed at 20%, resulting in £8,526.00, not £9,512.00."

But then again salary calculators remove 40% from the £4,929.00 (the amount above the 20% threshold) so even though my taxable income is £42,630.00 I still get charged under the higher rate?

Could someone help me here and clarify things for me please.

To add to what's been said already this may help - https://www.gov.uk/self-assessment-tax-calculator

With a net profit of £55,200 I'd be surprised if an accountant cant save you some tax too.
 
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Net profit? the £55,200 is pre tax.
You said it’s what you earn. Which means it’s profit as it’s what’s left after paying CT, insurance and other business expenses.
 
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Net profit? the £55,200 is pre tax.

Yes I saw you said pre-tax I am assuming you mean the profit subject to tax ie the net profit in your accounts after adjusting for capital allowances, private use, disallowable expenses etc.
 
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You said it’s what you earn. Which means it’s profit as it’s what’s left after paying CT, insurance and other business expenses.

The OP said it was pre-tax profit. No CT to pay as the OP is self employed.
 
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The OP said it was pre-tax profit. No CT to pay as the OP is self employed.
Good point. But I still read it as being the money they earned after all the business expenses have been paid. If that's not the case they need to rethink their calculations.
 
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It is gross profit.

Gross profit isn't relevant it's the tax adjusted net profit you need for tax - that's the net profit from your accounts less any adjustments for items not in the accounts eg capital allowances plus any adjustments required for items such as private use, disallowable costs etc.
 
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And that's likely to bring you down below the 40% threshold.

And why getting an accountant to do your books can save you a shed load of money. Far more than they will charge in fees. Mine costs me £600 and I generally save around £3000 in tax.
 
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