Today's wannabees and laziness

[daiso]

Hi Peter,

You are just one of the kindest people I know. I will do as you said and I know that I will have a job and I will be back on here to talk about it. Thank you ever so muchfor your time and kind advice!

D

You have three issues. The first one is that no one has taught you how to get a job, that is not your fault. The second one is that your upbringing and background makes you think that working for £6.50 and hour is beneath you. Again not your fault but you will have to get over that especially if you start your own business. The third one is that you are in a comfortable position so you do not need to work apart from self esteem reasons. Again not your fault.

So of your three issues the one you can do something about is getting a job. I will take a guess that you have no real idea how to go about this or how much effort it takes so I will do a deal with you. I will spend my Saturday evening telling you how to do it and you will follow my instructions to the letter and I can assure you that offers of work will come. This will sound like a lesson so apologies up front.

The objective is to get a host of interviews not a job, that comes later.

Enjoy your weekend then starting on Monday you are going to work from 9am to 9pm every day with Sunday off. You will be at the computer and phone by 9am dressed as if you were going to work in an office.

Week 1
Research all companies that you think your skills could be used in within and list them in industry sectors and in order of priority of which ones you like. Ensure you get several hundred on spread sheets. Do research and find out who is responsible for recruiting. Avoid the HR department like the plague if it is a reasonable sized company find out who runs the departments and if it is a small company you want the MD.

Get on the phone and talk to them one after the other hour after hour. Make detailed notes on the spreadsheet. Find out if they are recruiting now or in the next few months. Find out if the are making people redundant! Amazing , how many companies recruit soon after Find out what really , really needs done in the company if only they had the resource. Make notes lots of them.

It will take the whole week to contact 200 people who could help you like the department heads or MD's . After 5pm each day ensure that your spreadsheets are up to date and reorganized in order of priority based on the feed back you got. Each evening send thank you emails to each person you spoke to thanking them for taking the time even if they did not help. Ensure all you contact details are on the email and have a hook strap line about looking for work.

Week 2

Repeat the above and keep doing so until you have a list of invites to send you CV to. By this point you should not have sent any. Once you have a list to send your cv to make sure it goes with a covering letter and both are tailored to the organization whom your are sending them to. Update the spreadsheet and ensure you follow up each and everyone with a phone call within 24 hrs. CV production and covering letter production is a skill and I do not have it and I suspect will also not have it. Consider getting an expert to help you. Search the web for a guy called Steve Holmes he is very good.

Week 3

Repeat the above again but by now you will be getting a bit fed up so get out and start walking into offices and asking for work this forgotten act brings surprising results. Also ensure that you call and have spoken to everyone your CV has been sent with the aim of getting a meeting. You are selling and it s not time to be shy. You want to have a meeting because you know you can help the company.

Week 4

If you have done enough of the above, which most people do not by about 90% plus you will have a selection of interviews to attend. Do not go near one of those interviews without having done extensive research on the company and ensure you know what the companies issues are. Go prepared in every way you can.

If you cannot get offers after doing 20 plus interviews consider getting interview training

Summary

Your first aim is to make hundreds and I mean hundreds of phone calls and as many drop in visits as you can.

Send CV's to those that request and follow up expect to only get 1 interview from about 10 cv's so I am sure with your accountancy background you can do the numbers to tell you how many contacts you need to make.

Expect to only get 1 job offer from around 5 interviews so again do the numbers.

Yes it is tough out there but there is still lots and lots of work. There is not a business without issues that needs fixing you just need to match your skills and abilities with that need, that means crunching large numbers.

If all of above fails you will have identified in the process some companies you would really like to work for so go and visit them and offer to work for free for a month as a trial.

You have had more luck so far than many. It is now time to stand on your own two feet. If you do the above several times in your life you will be also training for when you go self employed without knowing it.

The work is out there and needs doing it is up to you to find it. It will not find you.

Peter

 

[daiso]

Good god Tej! What on earth have I done to you? I WANT a job and I mean it. And I KNOW that I will end up in a fab job and I will work with every single cell of my body to achieve that!

Three issues.. and all to be blamed on others

1. No one has taught you how to get a job!!.. wonderful.. does one have to go to classes to be taught how to get a job?.. how do the multitudes look for a job?
2. Upbringing and background!!.. obviously not brought up with any sense of humility!
3. Comfortable.. nowt wrong with that... self esteem reasons?.. who makes that judgement?

Hope it all works out

Good luck!

IMO.. the OP does not really really want a job.. no point in giving up a comforable lifestyle.... mugs game

 

[adventurelife]

Three issues.. and all to be blamed on others

1. No one has taught you how to get a job!!.. wonderful.. does one have to go to classes to be taught how to get a job?.. how do the multitudes look for a job?
2. Upbringing and background!!.. obviously not brought up with any sense of humility!
3. Comfortable.. nowt wrong with that... self esteem reasons?.. who makes that judgement?

Hope it all works out

Good luck!

IMO.. the OP does not really really want a job.. no point in giving up a comforable lifestyle.... mugs game

I would suggest that being taught how to get a job as well as the basics of running a bank account and credit management would be much more useful to the youth of today than some of what they are being taught.

Situation is as it is , we are all products of the environment we were born into. I was lucky to be born into one that meant you had to get streetwise quick and if you wanted money in your pocket you knocked on doors until you got work. Other were born in to backgrounds that have made life easy for them but when life gets tough do they have the skills to cope?

People often underplay the part their environment had in shaping what they have become. The self made story very rarely exists once you start digging.

 

[daiso]

I dont want to spend daddy's money, I dont want to marry u!

I WANT A JOB! Maybe you can offer me one?! I'm great, I'm a fast learner and I always get good results. School prefect, student union rep, you name it - I did it all. I just want a job now!

Marry me baby, we’ll spend all daddy’s money and have a good time doing it! Sound like fun? It will be believe me I can get through moolar like there is no tomorrow or if you want a challenge give me a call (dump hubby and the other things they sound horrible).

Which ever way you go have fun, I do, these lot are just a mean bunch.

 

[daiso]

OK, I want a job and I will do almost any thing except:-

1. cleaning
2. physical favours

If anyone has a vacancy within their businesses- please PM me. I'm nicer and more down to earth than I may appear on these posts.

D x

 

[Tej]

OK, I want a job and I will do almost any thing except:-

1. cleaning
2. physical favours

If anyone has a vacancy within their businesses- please PM me. I'm nicer and more down to earth than I may appear on these posts.

D x

These days its who you know!!!... can't Daddy get you a job?

He must know enough people

Should be easy peasy.. unless...

 

[daiso]

Well, he did. I started working for dad, then I worked for his accountant as a trainee auditor. I was offered a training contract too but I declined it as I want to do something on my own.

I want to be able to say I got a job because I'm damn good not because my dad's best friend gave me a job!

And I am good. While at school, I turned the newspaper into a profit making venture ALONE. I just want a chance to prove myself to the world.

Come on Tej, if you did have a vacancy, you would want ME to fill it. I am passionate, hard working and intelligent. What more could you ask for?

These days its who you know!!!... can't Daddy get you a job?

He must know enough people

Should be easy peasy.. unless...

 

[DancingWithPoodles]

Start a business... there is nothing better than building something from nothing... forget the rat race, it is for non-creative people that just want a fake title next to their name

 

[James.Dunford]

Three issues.. and all to be blamed on others

1. No one has taught you how to get a job!!.. wonderful.. does one have to go to classes to be taught how to get a job?.. how do the multitudes look for a job?
2. Upbringing and background!!.. obviously not brought up with any sense of humility!
3. Comfortable.. nowt wrong with that... self esteem reasons?.. who makes that judgement?

Hope it all works out

Good luck!

IMO.. the OP does not really really want a job.. no point in giving up a comforable lifestyle.... mugs game

Agree a bit on that one, i have always been brought up in a comfortable home, parents been self employed etc, got a few A's at GCSE and A level etc, but i didn't go to uni, so i am now selling mobile phones on £5.88 an hour, you have to start at the bottom to get to the top.

Think about it, even if you are a high jumper, doesnt mean you can jump to the top of a ladder does it? Just means you start a bit higher

 

[An Oasis]

I dont want to spend daddy's money, I dont want to marry u!

I WANT A JOB! Maybe you can offer me one?! I'm great, I'm a fast learner and I always get good results. School prefect, student union rep, you name it - I did it all. I just want a job now!

What? Does that mean anything? No can you stand like a Xmas tree and are you at least 3.25M tall? If so I can employ you, wayawanaweek?

 

[An Oasis]

Start a business... there is nothing better than building something from nothing... forget the rat race, it is for non-creative people that just want a fake title next to their name

Oiy bed time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DancingWithPoodles]

forget this Oasis guy, he is just a rude version of Spongebob... been cursing all the new members of the forum

What? Does that mean anything? No can you stand like a Xmas tree and are you at least 3.25M tall? If so I can employ you, wayawanaweek?

 

[daiso]

OK, you have proven your point.

Does it make some people any better knowing that they are giving me a hard time? I thought that this forum was all about helping each other and giving advise?

Why are you all picking on me? Just because you think I had it easy?

Maybe it will make you feel better about yourself knowing that I have absolutely no self esteem? I have no peace of mind. I am nothing without the people around me and the things they did for me.

I want a job - just to be able to look at myself in the mirror. Maybe that is asking for too much.

What? Does that mean anything? No can you stand like a Xmas tree and are you at least 3.25M tall? If so I can employ you, wayawanaweek?

 

[Tej]

Well, he did. I started working for dad, then I worked for his accountant as a trainee auditor. I was offered a training contract too but I declined it as I want to do something on my own.

/quote]

You had a job.. you had everything going for you..you declined a good offer.. and you wanted to do something on your own..

Guess you better go and do it

Nobody is giving you a hard time

 

Well, he did. I started working for dad, then I worked for his accountant as a trainee auditor. I was offered a training contract too but I declined it as I want to do something on my own.

How about a lighthouse keeper.?

Earl

 

Maybe it will make you feel better about yourself knowing that I have absolutely no self esteem? I have no peace of mind. I am nothing without the people around me and the things they did for me.

If that is true I would suggest that you maybe need Psychotherapy more than a job.

Earl

 

[daiso]

How about a lighthouse keeper.?

Earl

I suspect sarcasm here. Incidentally, I do live near to the beach! My room could be a light house in a weird sort of way.

 

[daiso]

If that is true I would suggest that you maybe need Psychotherapy more than a job.

Earl

Would it make any difference if I said that I did start medical school? No, I don't need therapy. I need a job.

 

[SillyJokes]

I think a good tip is to remember that it costs companies quite a bit of cash to recruit people. So if you take the initiative and approach companies yourself and they happen to be thinking of recruiting, you could actually save them a lot of money, particularly smaller businesses (such as mine).

I have paid recruitment agencies in the past but I won't be doing it again.

I'm sure a lot of employers could use you and you'll find something if you start working your local social network.

The thing about people who work for £6.50 an hour is that either they only ever work for that amount or they very quickly prove their worth and move up, so don't ever look down on humble starts.

I love the quote in the Simpsons that the temporary teacher says to Lisa as he leaves her at the train station, "The problem with being middle class is that the people you need will always leave you for people who need them more,"

Good luck.

 

[daiso]

I have to say that you do remind me of a sort of fatherly figure. In France, there is Le Pere Fouettard. Wiki him.

Well, he did. I started working for dad, then I worked for his accountant as a trainee auditor. I was offered a training contract too but I declined it as I want to do something on my own.

/quote]

You had a job.. you had everything going for you..you declined a good offer.. and you wanted to do something on your own..

Guess you better go and do it

Nobody is giving you a hard time

 

[daiso]

Hey,

That's very kind and wise!

Would you happen to be recruiting by any chance?

D

I think a good tip is to remember that it costs companies quite a bit of cash to recruit people. So if you take the initiative and approach companies yourself and they happen to be thinking of recruiting, you could actually save them a lot of money, particularly smaller businesses (such as mine).

I have paid recruitment agencies in the past but I won't be doing it again.

I'm sure a lot of employers could use you and you'll find something if you start working your local social network.

The thing about people who work for £6.50 an hour is that either they only ever work for that amount or they very quickly prove their worth and move up, so don't ever look down on humble starts.

I love the quote in the Simpsons that the temporary teacher says to Lisa as he leaves her at the train station, "The problem with being middle class is that the people you need will always leave you for people who need them more,"

Good luck.

 

[Tej]

Would it make any difference if I said that I did start medical school? No, I don't need therapy. I need a job.

LOL.. might be easier to list the things you haven't done

Seems like you have not finished anything you have started.

All on a whim perhaps.. or Daddy's encouragement!

 

Would it make any difference if I said that I did start medical school? No, I don't need therapy. I need a job.

I was basing my suggestion on the things you said you felt about yourself and it was not in the slightest sarcastic.

If you feel that bad about yourself .Having a job will not fix it.

Earl

 

[daiso]

LOL! I do have to laugh, you are right.

I started because it seemed a good idea at the time - helping African children. Wanted to join doctors without borders and donate a kidney too. It was another time and I was someone else I guess. Maybe I was a nicer version of myself at 18.

Life does make one tough and bitter. Or maybe it's being jobless which does that. I did finish my business degree. And I speak French at native level - now you did not expect that- hehe. And did I say that I play the piano?

LOL.. might be easier to list the things you haven't done

Seems like you have not finished anything you have started.

All on a whim perhaps.. or Daddy's encouragement!

 

[daiso]

i feel bad about not having a job - even though I have all the qualifications and all. I do not feel bad about myself as a person. Listen Earl, girls are complicated - even more so when they want something really badly.

I was basing my suggestion on the things you said you felt about yourself and it was not in the slightest sarcastic.

If you feel that bad about yourself .Having a job will not fix it.

Earl

 

[Gillie]

i feel bad about not having a job - even though I have all the qualifications and all. I do not feel bad about myself as a person. Listen Earl, girls are complicated - even more so when they want something really badly.

Having qualifications doesnt give you a god given right to a job - sheer hard work, sticking at it, and doing what it takes, gets you that job you want - why do you expect to be able to get the ideal job first time? Having a degree does not give you this right, neither does it make you a better person, neither does it mean you will be a success. All those are gained from sheer hard work!

 

i feel bad about not having a job - even though I have all the qualifications and all. I do not feel bad about myself as a person. Listen Earl, girls are complicated - even more so when they want something really badly.

sorry but these are your words,not sure a human can feel much worse about themselves,unless I have missed something to complicated for me.:|


"I have absolutely no self esteem? I have no peace of mind. I am nothing without the people around me and the things they did for me."

Again I doubt very much if having a job would solve those problems.most people would be quite happy to be able to go through life without a job provided they could maintain themselves and find things to occupy there time.

Earl

 

[daiso]

know earl. I said it. But maybe it's not what I meant. I have no self esteem BECAUSE I still depend on my dad! I need a job, I dont need to occupy myself. I need to work like normal people do and earn money and be grateful for it even if it's only £6.50/hour.

I basically want independence! And I will get that partly in a job.

sorry but these are your words,not sure a human can feel much worse about themselves,unless I have missed something to complicated for me.:|


"I have absolutely no self esteem? I have no peace of mind. I am nothing without the people around me and the things they did for me."

Again I doubt very much if having a job would solve those problems.most people would be quite happy to be able to go through life without a job provided they could maintain themselves and find things to occupy there time.

Earl

 

[daiso]

Well, believe me - I'm just realising that now. I have been told throughout my kife to get good school results and that would get me a wonderful life and a great job.

Having qualifications doesnt give you a god given right to a job - sheer hard work, sticking at it, and doing what it takes, gets you that job you want - why do you expect to be able to get the ideal job first time? Having a degree does not give you this right, neither does it make you a better person, neither does it mean you will be a success. All those are gained from sheer hard work!

 

[Gillie]

Well, believe me - I'm just realising that now. I have been told throughout my kife to get good school results and that would get me a wonderful life and a great job.

The art is applying yourself once you have shown you can get the results - and so far, you have suggested that you don't want to work for a mere £6.50 or take a job offered as it was the friend of your father doing so - all of which would indicate to potential employers a lack of committment - is the secret to getting the job you want so badly.

 

[daiso]

The art is applying yourself once you have shown you can get the results - and so far, you have suggested that you don't want to work for a mere £6.50 or take a job offered as it was the friend of your father doing so - all of which would indicate to potential employers a lack of committment - is the secret to getting the job you want so badly.

I know Well, I have decided that I will take a job, any job - however low the pay. And also turn over a new leaf and be committed totally to getting a job and keeping it. I will give 100% of myself and no less. Thanks loads Gille.

 

[Tej]

I know Well, I have decided that I will take a job, any job - however low the pay. And also turn over a new leaf and be committed totally to getting a job and keeping it. I will give 100% of myself and no less. Thanks loads Gille.

Good luck!

Just don't forget what you have written here... in the morning

 

[daiso]

Oh Tej! Thank you for everything.

Good luck!

Just don't forget what you have written here... in the morning

 

[Gillie]

Somebody doesn't like me suggesting that you have to start somewhere in life be it at £6.50 or less and has now sent an email through my site telling me what I should do with it ... oh dear ... someone somewhere is getting upset and showing their true age!!

I so like getting emails from anon people who don't put their name to them - cowards!!

 

[FairSmart]

I think she needs to just get out there and find her feet a little. Find something interesting to do. Help society maybe?

Wants to feel acheivement and be her own person.
Wants to be recognised as being more than her daddy's little girl?
Accomplishing somthing not for the money
What would you seriously want to do with your life?

You could get a job by working for free anywhere within reason Id say. Unless it breaches trade secrets or somthing.
Plenty of businesses and association need problems solving- so maybe you could solve them?
Get your foot in the door and I think you will be rewarded.

You've been an inspiration to me because I need to get a successful mentor. I have free time so Ill work for free myself. Not because im lazy but because im trying to be smart and find a real action plan to make myself successful. I know it takes hard work but the blue print needs to be there too. I need something ethical, something rewarding. Not just online because I hate sitting in front of my computer. i like to talk to people.

Incidentally I did door to door sales and now work in a call centre. £8-£11 an hour though part time.
I didnt know what I wanted to do but Energy I have learnt for 5 years and its not a problem in recession because they just keep increasing prices.

I think if I would want to solve anything it would be the energy crisis. The government needs help with the Nuclear development or why not try perpetual motion and have the government chase you down for breaking the oil monopoly. Disapear without a trace. Ive had a look at the air car which looks great and the vortex's run by electro magnets looks amazing if it was on a large scale. I mean if the hadron collider can be build where has large scale perepetual motion gone? no more global warming either.

 

[trustme]

Daiso, you have taken a bit of a bashing on here but I like your persistance. I am usually a reader rather than a poster on here, there are a few people who will always slate newbies, especially if you appear to be lets say a little naive or vulnerable, don't worry it's called testosterone.

Clearly you don't need money, yet you want to feel independant and have some job satisfaction. I like that, you could quite easily sit on your backside and live a comfortable life but that is not good enough for you, it wouldn't be for me either. Why not take the job for £6.50 an hour? you have nothing to lose, and if you don't like it look around for another job but don't leave until you find one. I don't believe working is all about the money. It will give you a sense of responsibilty and worth, forget the money, you don't need it anyway.

Once you have some work experience behind you, you will think differently and that is when you can start to make career decisions, but the important thing is to get into the workplace as soon as possible and keep an open mind about what you do and where you want to go.

As for starting your own business, experience is the numer one requirement of which you don't have any. I am not suggesting that you rule it out but the chances of it failing will be higher without the experience and tenacity that a challenging job will give you. Number two requirement is investment, that may not be such a problem for you. You can always do something part-time on the side while working full time.

You have the confidence and you believe that you have the abilty so go for it and good luck.

 

[ORDERED WEB]

start at the botom and work up. Get the cleaning job. We need cleaners as much as business owners

If you start at the bottom and work up, you will appreciate all the things that happen arround you and take nothing for granted. Then in 10 years, when the shxx hhits the fan, you can grab the broom again and lead from the front

 

[daiso]

If you think it's me - It's not! I perhaps would sign another name but I would not leave the signature area blank!

Somebody doesn't like me suggesting that you have to start somewhere in life be it at £6.50 or less and has now sent an email through my site telling me what I should do with it ... oh dear ... someone somewhere is getting upset and showing their true age!!

I so like getting emails from anon people who don't put their name to them - cowards!!

 

[DancingWithPoodles]

The funny thing is. All the older people here say start as a cleaner start at £3 an hour... because once they have earned that much.
GUESS WHAT, if you started at crap wage and took you years to get to a good income it doesn't mean everyone should be like that. Some people are brigther and got a good business mind...

 

[ORDERED WEB]

Some people are brigther and got a good business mind...

How Rude. How many degrees and diplomas do you have?