Starting electrical independence

[Electricity]

Business… I have zero understanding of business, but even if I say something stupid, please be indulgent to me. Business is different. Business rules are determined by the state. Business conditions are determined by the government. But business is part of the country's economic policy. And the economy has always been and will be the essence of the concentrated expression of the country's policy. Business rules are established depending on the political structure. In the slave system, a man was a commodity and, accordingly, an object of business. In a modern totalitarian state, there are other external screens, but or is the different essence? For example, in China? Or in North Korea? At the same time, there is a feedback with these countries not only in the form of civilized relations, but also, for example, in the form of a potential (and real) military nuclear threat. Therefore, business can be seen as selling cakes or cars, or it can be seen as your right to live on this planet. What happens if the energy system is transformed? Let's leave alone even housing and communal services. Let us take industry and the branches that form the budget. The cost of any product has a significant specific energy contribution. If you allow yourself to reduce the energy contribution to the product, you will not only complete the environmental recovery program, but also increase your competitiveness significantly. On the other side of the table are autocracies for whom the green agenda is death. Also not a bad contribution to the destruction of the totalitarian madmen who are the ass of the planet and not only pollute it physically, but also mentally.
I am willing to give up my part share of the interest if I can know that my inventions will make a real contribution to such a program and make life impossible for dictatorial regimes. How do you like this view of business?

 

[fisicx]

Once again you obfuscate and prevaricate. Why can’t you ever answer a question?

What is the motive force for your generator?

 

[simon field]

If we talk about business, let's talk about business. The desire to see materials in patent databases will give you what? Only two points - food for thought (because you will not build devices! - patents were issued even for something that is not a complete set!) and my personal data - which is also useless to you. That is, in fact, it will not give you anything useful. You need those documents that have not yet been submitted - in which the complete set. But these documents can only be submitted in two countries - the UK and the USA. It is in these countries that today there are no patents and no protection of intellectual property, especially in full implementation. Hence the question - the question about business - maybe someone has a desire to become a co-author of these patents? How to continue to do business with this is a separate conversation - in the presence of protected intellectual property, it will be enough just to present a working kit at the exhibition. This is the disposition, gentlemen businessmen. Your advice can be very useful if it also takes into account my interests.

For my part, I am ready to confirm the authenticity of what has been said with a legal contract indicating a full set of legal instruments for both parties in those processes where it has legal force. For example - do you know that the court does not consider disputes about the right of precedence in filing a patent? The only evidence in this matter is the date and time that is recorded when a patent application is received. Thus, if the material presented by me is submitted by you first, I will not have the opportunity to prove my authorship in court. When you talk about business - so talk about business, and not about one small facet of the issue, ignoring the most important ones.

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[Electricity]

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[Electricity]

Once again you obfuscate and prevaricate. Why can’t you ever answer a question?

What is the motive force for your generator?

How many times do you need to answer? The same source that sets in motion millions of tons of water in the form of ebbs and flows)

 

[fisicx]

How many times do you need to answer? The same source that sets in motion millions of tons of water in the form of ebbs and flows)

Precession? That’s not a motive force.

 

[Electricity]

Precession? That’s not a motive force.

If you think that the source of the mechanism for the formation of this natural phenomenon is the interaction of the gravitational fields of the Moon and the Earth, consider it gravity. If you think there are other physical phenomena responsible for this - call it what you see fit.

 

[Mark T Jones]

Business… I have zero understanding of business, but even if I say something stupid, please be indulgent to me. Business is different. Business rules are determined by the state. Business conditions are determined by the government. But business is part of the country's economic policy. And the economy has always been and will be the essence of the concentrated expression of the country's policy. Business rules are established depending on the political structure. In the slave system, a man was a commodity and, accordingly, an object of business. In a modern totalitarian state, there are other external screens, but or is the different essence? For example, in China? Or in North Korea? At the same time, there is a feedback with these countries not only in the form of civilized relations, but also, for example, in the form of a potential (and real) military nuclear threat. Therefore, business can be seen as selling cakes or cars, or it can be seen as your right to live on this planet. What happens if the energy system is transformed? Let's leave alone even housing and communal services. Let us take industry and the branches that form the budget. The cost of any product has a significant specific energy contribution. If you allow yourself to reduce the energy contribution to the product, you will not only complete the environmental recovery program, but also increase your competitiveness significantly. On the other side of the table are autocracies for whom the green agenda is death. Also not a bad contribution to the destruction of the totalitarian madmen who are the ass of the planet and not only pollute it physically, but also mentally.
I am willing to give up my part share of the interest if I can know that my inventions will make a real contribution to such a program and make life impossible for dictatorial regimes. How do you like this view of business?

Glad to see you've taken all the advice on board

 

[fisicx]

If you think that the source of the mechanism for the formation of this natural phenomenon is the interaction of the gravitational fields of the Moon and the Earth, consider it gravity. If you think there are other physical phenomena responsible for this - call it what you see fit.

Gravity does not cause tides. Precession does. A totally different physical phenomena.

You still haven’t told us how you plan the drive the generator. Gravity isn’t the answer, that’s a one way force (downwards). To drive a generator you need a rotational force.

 

[fisicx]

And you are mixing up gravitational fields (general relativity) and gravitational attraction (Newtonian physics). They aren’t the same thing.

 

[Electricity]

And you are mixing up gravitational fields (general relativity) and gravitational attraction (Newtonian physics). They aren’t the same thing.

Great. If I told someone on this forum what I was talking about, it would be you. I do not mix anything - these are the interlocutors who are constantly trying to mix God's gift with scrambled eggs. You are always asking something. Let me ask you some questions and after that we will decide whether to move on to the next level. For example - the device I propose contains three blocks of structures - and not two - plus one optional. Generator, turbine, activator and starter. Now my questions - what was before the big bang? Why does the moon always face the earth on the same side? What processes were the primary source of the rotation of the planets in this particular configuration and exactly along such a trajectory? Do you know well the device of a generator that has an excitation winding instead of permanent magnets?

 

[fisicx]

I could answer all your questions but not sure what this would bring to the discussion.

What motive force are you using for the turbine?

 

[Electricity]

I could answer all your questions but not sure what this would bring to the discussion.

What motive force are you using for the turbine?

the power of thought of your answers

 

[Electricity]

the power of thought of your answers

Do you know why I could tell you this? Because you seem like to know physics) I don't know physics. I know absolutely nothing about electric current (except for the theoretical rubbish that certified engineers who claim to be smart know). But I can put together three different generator models that just don't fit into the general theory of electro mechanics - they are all tested and working. I don't know anything about gravity. Of course, the fact that for the discovery of gravitational waves, they gave an award - I know. But I do not believe that there is a carrier of weak interaction, etc. But I can assemble a turbine - I absolutely do not understand why it works ... Maybe the matter is in the unknown properties of the liquid? But I am not a physicist - you are a physicist ...

 

[Electricity]

Do you know why I could tell you this? Because you seem like to know physics) I don't know physics. I know absolutely nothing about electric current (except for the theoretical rubbish that certified engineers who claim to be smart know). But I can put together three different generator models that just don't fit into the general theory of electro mechanics - they are all tested and working. I don't know anything about gravity. Of course, the fact that for the discovery of gravitational waves, they gave an award - I know. But I do not believe that there is a carrier of weak interaction, etc. But I can assemble a turbine - I absolutely do not understand why it works ... Maybe the matter is in the unknown properties of the liquid? But I am not a physicist - you are a physicist ...

Once a Soviet cosmonaut discovered one oddity. This case was even placed under the heading secret. But over time, physics explained everything. It was called the Janibekov effect. Angular moment was studied with solid bodies. There are such interesting flows in a liquid that it is extremely difficult to derive formulas in such a situation.

 

[fisicx]

Obfuscation again. Why can’t you just answer a simple question?

What drives the turbine?

 

[Electricity]

Obfuscation again. Why can’t you just answer a simple question?

What drives the turbine?

 

[Electricity]

Obfuscation again. Why can’t you just answer a simple question?

What drives the turbine?

because your answer about the level of two connecting vessels in an accelerating centrifuge is incorrect. Conduct an experiment - forget the dogmas - see for yourself.

 

[fisicx]

because your answer about the level of two connecting vessels in an accelerating centrifuge is incorrect. Conduct an experiment - forget the dogmas - see for yourself.

Still Doesn’t answer the question. What drives the centrifuge?

And you don’t want acceleration, you need a constant velocity.

 

[Electricity]

Still Doesn’t answer the question. What drives the centrifuge?

And you don’t want acceleration, you need a constant velocity.

If you don't answer my simple questions, what's the point in answering yours?))

 

[Electricity]

In fact, they are related quantities. Moreover, power is a derivative of the torque and speed of the turbine. And it is simply impossible to consider them separately. To get power in watts, you need to multiply the torque in Newton meters by the current shaft speed and a factor of 0.1047. Want familiar horsepower? No problem! Divide the result by 1000 (thus you get kilowatts) and multiply by a factor of 1.36.

 

[Electricity]

You have a generator, for example 3 kW. It provides you with such consumption. But first you need to power this generator with something in order to get these 3 kW. It doesn't matter what source - the average values are important (after all, sometimes the starting power exceeds the rated power by 3 times). If you study this moment, it turns out that on average (I emphasize - on average) you will have to spend about 2-3 times more energy to get 3 kW. The European Commission considers one of the energy saving solutions to insulate the facades of houses) But no one talks about what kind of energy saving mode is possible at the stage of generation and transportation. After all, if you change the "fuel" consumption during the generation process by reducing it by at least 33%, the final savings will be very impressive! And in which device lies the answer with the possibility of savings - it is in the generator - it will not be one to three, but one to one and a half. And you, mister physicist, - you say that the generator does not matter ... - strange physics ...

 

[Electricity]

To be honest, I'm so stupid that some questions just don't fit in my head! The classical scheme of the generator used a priori implies that in order to get a unit at the output, you must spend three. At the same time, they tell me that the efficiency of such a wonderful energy transformation in small devices is 30%, and in large devices 90%! At what in both cases absolutely identical method! – but the difference is so huge. Here you are a physicist - does it raise any questions about the calculation methods that are used to brainwash a simple layman who does not understand anything about this? But there is a herd of certified sheep nearby - a large herd - and everyone is bleating in unison - yes ... yes ... yes ...

 

[fisicx]

If you don't answer my simple questions, what's the point in answering yours?))

That’s because the answers to your questions are not simple and not relevant to the discussion. You are the one needing help not I.

 

[Electricity]

That’s because the answers to your questions are not simple and not relevant to the discussion. You are the one needing help not I.

Fine. Absolutely true and absolutely correct. I need help. But you are deeply mistaken that the answers to the questions posed are not relevant to this conversation. After all, it is the turbine that interests you - and it was created in full accordance with the structure of the solar system. So just these answers are related to the operation of the turbine. But in any case, thanks for the dialogue)

 

[fisicx]

Not sure how explaining why the moon always faces the earth is relevant.

Maybe if you told us what drives the turbine it would help understanding. I’m not interested in the turbine itself, the generator of even his you plan to initiate generation. My only question (oft repeated) is: how are you going to drive the machine. Without a source of rotational energy nothing useful is going to happen.

 

[fisicx]

As an aside, nobody know what came before the Big Bang. There is conjecture about fields and superstrings but they are just guesses. Read books by Hawkins and Sagan if you are interested in the subject.

 

[Electricity]

As an aside, nobody know what came before the Big Bang. There is conjecture about fields and superstrings but they are just guesses. Read books by Hawkins and Sagan if you are interested in the subject.

I'm interested. I read Hawking and even I am interested in the fact that he received the Nobel Prize for the theory about black holes, which was later refuted. Don't you think that in physics theories are good because their practical and technical substantiation can come in centuries?

 

[Electricity]

Not sure how explaining why the moon always faces the earth is relevant.

Maybe if you told us what drives the turbine it would help understanding. I’m not interested in the turbine itself, the generator of even his you plan to initiate generation. My only question (oft repeated) is: how are you going to drive the machine. Without a source of rotational energy nothing useful is going to happen.

quite right - that's why I asked you - what was the source of the orbits of the planets in the solar system in exactly the configuration that we now know

 

[Electricity]

As an aside, nobody know what came before the Big Bang. There is conjecture about fields and superstrings but they are just guesses. Read books by Hawkins and Sagan if you are interested in the subject.

At the beginning of the 20th century, there was already such a precedent - they gave out many Nobel Prizes for the discovery of new and new particles))) - until they understood something)))

 

[fisicx]

Not sure what point you are trying to make. None of this has any relevance to to motive power of your turbine.

The standard model has proved remarkable resilient. It describes the electorweak interaction which you seem to dismiss as not valid despite mutiple experiments that prove it's existence. Why are you right and everyone else is wrong?

 

[fisicx]

So I ask once again, what is the motive force for your turbine?

 

[Electricity]

Not sure what point you are trying to make. None of this has any relevance to to motive power of your turbine.

The standard model has proved remarkable resilient. It describes the electorweak interaction which you seem to dismiss as not valid despite mutiple experiments that prove it's existence. Why are you right and everyone else is wrong?

The problem is that you stubbornly do not want to understand - I absolutely do not prove anything and absolutely do not refute anything! I have working models of generators - I gave comparative characteristics at the same power. I am interested in a person who would be interested in testing them from a certified laboratory - the test results will show 100% their technical data and comparison with traditional ones. It's all. If there is interest, I am ready to test the kit - together with the turbine - but it will no longer need to be tested in the laboratory. Nothing more. In physics, I understand absolutely nothing. How all the products that I offer are arranged - I only have drawings - I am not ready to conduct any theoretical disputes. Does it fit?

 

[Electricity]

So I ask once again, what is the motive force for your turbine?

I also answered this question many times - I don't know! If the test results are positive - let the physicists explain this ....

 

[fisicx]

If this is the case you have nothing of any value.

 

[Electricity]

If this is the case you have nothing of any value.

Absolutely agree with you! It is likely that this is exactly the case ..., BUT - Don’t judge a book by its cover.

 

[The Byre]

I am interested in a person who would be interested in testing them from a certified laboratory - the test results will show 100% their technical data and comparison with traditional ones.

That is YOUR job and not an investor's job.

Discovering a physical phenomenon is not an invention and not anything anyone can invest in. My advice would be for you to talk to a university with a suitable laboratory.

 

[fisicx]

Absolutely agree with you! It is likely that this is exactly the case ..., BUT - Don’t judge a book by its cover.

I’m not. But you just avoid answering direct questions, you post irrelevances and offer nothing useful.

Build your device, connect to a motive force and complete testing. If you can sustain electrical generation over many weeks you then look for investment.

 

[NickGrogan]

Here are just three parameters of the traditional generator (1) and the proposed (2) with a power of 5 kW.
1- Dimensions 510x270x345 mm. Weight - 80 kg. Nominal force - 102 Nm
2- Dimensions 370x250x255 mm. Weight - 38 kg. Nominal force - 70 Nm
In the video below, you can see how a 5 kW generator is loaded with 5 bulbs of 200 watts each and what kind of hand force is needed to activate amperes in the circuit by female arm.
For the purity of the experiment, it is only necessary to assemble the device from parts made on high-quality equipment and scroll it in a certified laboratory to obtain all the parameters in full. It's all.

Aren't the bulbs supposed to light up?

Where did you get 200w bulbs, they're not generally available any more.

You're hinting again that gravity is the source of power, but I suggest that and you said no.

Looking on other forums, you've been promoting this scam for a while. has anyone ever fallen for it?

 

[Electricity]

That is YOUR job and not an investor's job.

Discovering a physical phenomenon is not an invention and not anything anyone can invest in. My advice would be for you to talk to a university with a suitable laboratory.

Okay. The discussion is over. I express my deep gratitude to everyone for your advice and communication. Please forgive me if some of my statements looked rude or not correct. Thank you all so much. Your advices has been very helpful. The last thing I want to say is that not a single device is known today that would not be an electric machine. All electric machines are able to work as generators and as electric motors. If these lines are read by someone who is only interested in a generator that is not able to work as an electric motor, due to which it rotates much easier under load, i am ready to share specific working instances in mutual interests. I sincerely wish for all of you success in realizing your own endeavors. Thank you very much.