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This has all been highly entertaining and all I am able to take away from this is that no patent has been granted, but two were applied for. A full patent does provide protection and if @Electricity shows some documentation then we can take this further.
In my news agency days, we had to deal with bogus engineering claims almost daily. That is why one asks for patents and demonstrations of working models doing whatever it is that they are supposed to do.
Paranoid utterings about network monopolies are straight from the Nikola-Tesla-Conspiracy playbook and are guaranteed to put normal people off.
And no, Siemens and other major engineering companies do not runabout, stealing other people's IP. It is just not in their interests to do so as it is cheaper and easier to just pay a license fee.
In my news agency days, we had to deal with bogus engineering claims almost daily. That is why one asks for patents and demonstrations of working models doing whatever it is that they are supposed to do.
Paranoid utterings about network monopolies are straight from the Nikola-Tesla-Conspiracy playbook and are guaranteed to put normal people off.
And no, Siemens and other major engineering companies do not runabout, stealing other people's IP. It is just not in their interests to do so as it is cheaper and easier to just pay a license fee.
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Electricity
- Original Poster
- #46
you are right - there is nothing to correspond about - when you tell a person that all the data is in official patent databases, and he doubts - nonsense ... When you are ready to submit 9 models for testing - which have already been tested - and they do not believe in it - nonsense .. The solution can be very simple - we conclude an agreement, prescribe the conditions and the party that bears lies and nonsense will pay the other party if the information is confirmed. The received patents contain information about the identity of the inventor, his personal data - isn't it idiocy to expose such information in the sewer? I thought that on this forum it is possible to meet serious people))) In any case, I wish you all the best!
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It's a forum for business people. Some more serious than others
But why have you not answered any of the business related questions?
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- #49
I have gone through this cycle of nonsense many times. The ones that put their cards on the table from the get-go tend to work out, assuming they have something decent to offer - or there is something wrong that makes me the wrong person, such as too far away, a market I do not understand, or just something I do not want to get involved with.
And then there are the rest and they fall into a few distinct groups - (1) The Dunning-Kruger crowd (not knowing enough to not know that they do not know enough). (2) The conspiracy nutters (there is a plot against me and/or there is a huge secret that big industry does not want you to know). (3) I cannot tell you what my invention/idea is because you will steal it (but I still want your investment money!)
The first lot are fools, the second lot suffer from some strange disorder and the third band of pilgrims do not know how the world works and will probably never find out.
Amazingly, our protagonist seems to have joined all three groups simultaneously! Now that's quite an achievement!
And then there are the rest and they fall into a few distinct groups - (1) The Dunning-Kruger crowd (not knowing enough to not know that they do not know enough). (2) The conspiracy nutters (there is a plot against me and/or there is a huge secret that big industry does not want you to know). (3) I cannot tell you what my invention/idea is because you will steal it (but I still want your investment money!)
The first lot are fools, the second lot suffer from some strange disorder and the third band of pilgrims do not know how the world works and will probably never find out.
Amazingly, our protagonist seems to have joined all three groups simultaneously! Now that's quite an achievement!
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Electricity
- Original Poster
- #50
I never once said that I was a businessman. But everything else - I'm ready to confirm - and if anyone allows himself to blurt out with impunity - we must remember - this is not right. All received patents for inventions in the official databases of the patent offices. All blueprints, texts and working samples - exclusively for a bilateral agreement with an adequate person and absolutely officially - under legal agreements. also blueprints of an engine for spacecraft operating without jet propulsion))) - don't you believe it? Including patent texts and drawings. And if anyone allows himself to doubt - I regret the time spent. Everything is simple)It's a forum for business people. Some more serious than others
But why have you not answered any of the business related questions?
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@Electricity - why have you removed the videos? You say you have working models ready for testing. This suggests you can demonstrate sustainable generation. If this is the case you can make a video and show us.
Or as a suspect is the more likely case you can’t generate electricity for more than a few seconds. And even then not the 240VAC most households require.
Or as a suspect is the more likely case you can’t generate electricity for more than a few seconds. And even then not the 240VAC most households require.
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This is really bizarre. If you have received the patents it should be a trivial matter to confirm the patent number and the country where it has been granted. Nowhere in the world can you get a patent on something without publishing it.
How much power can your largest model continuously generate and what inputs does it require?
Reminds me of someone who wanted to put solar panels in New Zealand and transmit the power to a receiver in the UK using long-range radio waves.
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Electricity
- Original Poster
- #54
Yes, how much can be repeated - patents for inventions have been obtained in several countries. To date, I am ready to officially confirm protection in the UK until 03/22/22. But why all this??? In addition to all this, I am ready to provide information that is not in any patent bases - it is precisely this that is the essence of everything.
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@Electricity, do you know this fella?
www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk
Some Secrets of Fans
Some Secrets of the fans A fan creates an air stream when it is operating. This air stream is made up of lower pressure at the front and higher pressure at the back. This air stream is the output of the fan. In other words, the output of the fan made up of lower pressure output at the front...
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You've got protection in the UK until 3/22/22 - For a few weeks, or starting on 3/22/22?
What country and what is the patent number?
Anything not in the patents is not protected and therefore not interesting at this stage.
You haven't answered my question.
How much power does your biggest project produce and what are the inputs?
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Electricity
- Original Poster
- #62
I never thought that so many morons could be gathered in one place...)@Electricity, do you know this fella?
Some Secrets of Fans
Some Secrets of the fans A fan creates an air stream when it is operating. This air stream is made up of lower pressure at the front and higher pressure at the back. This air stream is the output of the fan. In other words, the output of the fan made up of lower pressure output at the front...
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And there we go. Resorting to insults pretty much sums up why you will not get much help from any forum members.
You may have more luck here:
www.physicsforums.com
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You may have more luck here:
Electrical Engineering Forum
Join the expert discussion on electrical engineering topics. Topics like the uses of electricity and the equipment for power generation. Circuits, Fiber, Signals and Systems, Semiconductor Devices...
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If you Google ‘man with van London’ you’ll find him after a bit of clicking/scrolling, and be in good company!
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The problem with this is that if there are patents in several countries then you should be able to identify the patents. The fact that you haven't means I am pretty certain that you do not have anything that is "investable". Hence I am not inclined to read any more.
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Where are your patents? You keep talking about them but have not provided a link to them.
Perhaps this is because they don't exist?
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Those aren’t the patents you described earlier in the thread.
Post the numbers here or in your profile.
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Electricity
- Original Poster
- #70
These are just two of those patents for inventions that I talked about earlier - any request for more information or numbers is ridiculous)))
How the kit works - turbine + non-standard generator 5-10 kWh.
The main part of the kit is the turbine. The generator can work both on permanent magnets and use an excitation winding. The essence of a unipolar generator is that not a single part of the winding experiences the alternating effect of different magnetic (or electromagnetic) poles. Any individual part of the winding experiences a periodic effect of the same magnetic pole. It is important that the materials used are not those used in the manufacture of traditional generators, with the exception of magnetically conductive steel grades for the stator cores. The rest of the material is mostly aluminum. As a result, such a generator, when compared with a similar traditional generator, for example, both 5 kW - has a reduced need for a source of external mechanical energy to rotate the rotor with a closed circuit by 30-50% less, weighs 20 to 30 percent less, and so on. The shape of the windings and magnetic belts is completely different than in a traditional generator. To talk about this, you need to at least look at the actual blueprints for the device in order to understand that this generator is completely different from the traditionally used ones. Dot.
Turbine - perpetual motion machines are impossible, the law of conservation of energy cannot be violated, and so on. This is pure physics. The turbine is a hybrid of a wind turbine and a tidal power plant. But in fact there is no propeller in it. Designed to provide the consumer with an energy source of 5-10 kW per hour 24/7. I simply did not consider higher powers - they require generators with an excitation winding - this can only be done in a specialized organization. The cost of such generation is the payback of 1-2 years, depending on the capacity, the period of use is 10 years, maintenance of 1 station about once every six months (approximately) at a cost of 10 dollars. The installation can be used to generate electricity, respectively, heat, etc.
If someone has a real desire to get the full amount of information on the turbine-generator set, i am ready to discuss it individually, but not on the forum pages. Correspondence on the forum will no longer be.
Thank you all very much.
How the kit works - turbine + non-standard generator 5-10 kWh.
The main part of the kit is the turbine. The generator can work both on permanent magnets and use an excitation winding. The essence of a unipolar generator is that not a single part of the winding experiences the alternating effect of different magnetic (or electromagnetic) poles. Any individual part of the winding experiences a periodic effect of the same magnetic pole. It is important that the materials used are not those used in the manufacture of traditional generators, with the exception of magnetically conductive steel grades for the stator cores. The rest of the material is mostly aluminum. As a result, such a generator, when compared with a similar traditional generator, for example, both 5 kW - has a reduced need for a source of external mechanical energy to rotate the rotor with a closed circuit by 30-50% less, weighs 20 to 30 percent less, and so on. The shape of the windings and magnetic belts is completely different than in a traditional generator. To talk about this, you need to at least look at the actual blueprints for the device in order to understand that this generator is completely different from the traditionally used ones. Dot.
Turbine - perpetual motion machines are impossible, the law of conservation of energy cannot be violated, and so on. This is pure physics. The turbine is a hybrid of a wind turbine and a tidal power plant. But in fact there is no propeller in it. Designed to provide the consumer with an energy source of 5-10 kW per hour 24/7. I simply did not consider higher powers - they require generators with an excitation winding - this can only be done in a specialized organization. The cost of such generation is the payback of 1-2 years, depending on the capacity, the period of use is 10 years, maintenance of 1 station about once every six months (approximately) at a cost of 10 dollars. The installation can be used to generate electricity, respectively, heat, etc.
If someone has a real desire to get the full amount of information on the turbine-generator set, i am ready to discuss it individually, but not on the forum pages. Correspondence on the forum will no longer be.
Thank you all very much.
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The Byre
- Original Poster
- #71
Dear @Electricity, you have kind of fouled your pitch here with pointless invective, possibly driven by language difficulties, as well as an obviously bad attitude by you. Try using Google Translate, putting simple sentences in Russian, or whatever language you prefer and the results will be better.
I will give you a tip for life. Please remember it.
In life, you get hired for those things you SHOW that you can do.
Nobody in their right mind is going to hire someone for talking a good talk. As we say in German "Papier is geduldig!" (Paper is patient!) In other words, you can write or say what you like. You can present a paper with 10,000 words or even write whole books on a subject - but nobody but a fool will engage anyone on the strength of words alone.
In film, for example, Spielberg, Tarantino, The Coens or (my favorite) the Russian film genius Andrej Swjaginzew (or Zvyagintsev) have to my knowledge never written a book on how to make a movie. All the books on how to make feature films are written by people who have at best made minor films that few have ever heard of. Those great directors do not need to write about how to make a movie - just look at their films. That's all you need to know!
The same is true for every field. The best book on electronic design 'The Art of Electronics' is by a professor of electronic design who has not one single patent to his name. The greatest designer of analogue audio circuitry was Rupert Neve. He had dozens of patents to his name but never wrote a damn thing about how to do anything!
So, bearing that in mind, the next time you pitch for investors, point them at your patents. You claimed to have been granted patents by the Deutsche Patent- und Markenamt (DPMA) in Munich and by the European Patent Office. That means that your ideas are protected. Nobody is allowed to copy them. All you have to do is tell investors the numbers on those patents and they can see for themselves whether your inventions are viable or not.
If you SHOW people what you have achieved, they will invest in you and will take you seriously. It's that simple!
I will give you a tip for life. Please remember it.
In life, you get hired for those things you SHOW that you can do.
Nobody in their right mind is going to hire someone for talking a good talk. As we say in German "Papier is geduldig!" (Paper is patient!) In other words, you can write or say what you like. You can present a paper with 10,000 words or even write whole books on a subject - but nobody but a fool will engage anyone on the strength of words alone.
In film, for example, Spielberg, Tarantino, The Coens or (my favorite) the Russian film genius Andrej Swjaginzew (or Zvyagintsev) have to my knowledge never written a book on how to make a movie. All the books on how to make feature films are written by people who have at best made minor films that few have ever heard of. Those great directors do not need to write about how to make a movie - just look at their films. That's all you need to know!
The same is true for every field. The best book on electronic design 'The Art of Electronics' is by a professor of electronic design who has not one single patent to his name. The greatest designer of analogue audio circuitry was Rupert Neve. He had dozens of patents to his name but never wrote a damn thing about how to do anything!
So, bearing that in mind, the next time you pitch for investors, point them at your patents. You claimed to have been granted patents by the Deutsche Patent- und Markenamt (DPMA) in Munich and by the European Patent Office. That means that your ideas are protected. Nobody is allowed to copy them. All you have to do is tell investors the numbers on those patents and they can see for themselves whether your inventions are viable or not.
If you SHOW people what you have achieved, they will invest in you and will take you seriously. It's that simple!
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But that's not yours.....
You do not specifically generators in KWhrs....that is an incorrect use of the unit of measurement.
Yet more evidence that you do not k ow what you are talking about.
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Electricity. I have a serious question. Are you the member we had here before called Swissaw? I am left with a huge feeling of deja vu in your content, style and responses to questions. You could simply say yes you are him, or no you are not. It perhaps doesn't matter, but it determines future direction. I usually try to join in conversations, but I discovered Swissaw to be a member with a very strong and passionate point of view, but somebody unable, or willing to listen to others who had alternative viewpoints or actually asked questions. So far here, you have avoided answering any serious questions, and used secrecy as the reason for not being able to provide evidence. This is what our old member repeatedly did. He didn't get very far at all, because of it, and you seem determined to shout repeatedly but never ever listen, or answer any questions directly. The old threads were mostly about a new transportation system that also seemed to fight the laws of physics. Was the idea to be frictionless and have a high starting point in Scotland and coast all the way to London, and vice versa? Something like that?
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You know what....I think I have changed my mind.
I have given this idea some thought, and I love the idea that a generator could be made easier to turn.
So I would like to know what as a potential investor Electricity requires from me.
I have access to the a wide customer base. I have a well built workshop. I have a wide supplier base, I have access to motor and generator manufacturers I have a team of electrical engineers. We are already heavily involved in power systems, generation, green energy both installing, commissioning and maintainance.
In short, it would be absolutely foolish if me not to invest in such a technology. I am ready now to build an initial 1000 of these unit's, and would hope for another 5000 per year thereafter.
What I need is 2 things.
1) I would like to know what Electricity expects from an investor. What do you bring to the party that we don't already have and what cost.
2) I would like to know the patent number to check that our investment into your idea is protected.
My team is ready and waiting to get started and can imeadiatley open the doors to the UK and EU market overnight.
I look forward to hearing the details.
I have given this idea some thought, and I love the idea that a generator could be made easier to turn.
So I would like to know what as a potential investor Electricity requires from me.
I have access to the a wide customer base. I have a well built workshop. I have a wide supplier base, I have access to motor and generator manufacturers I have a team of electrical engineers. We are already heavily involved in power systems, generation, green energy both installing, commissioning and maintainance.
In short, it would be absolutely foolish if me not to invest in such a technology. I am ready now to build an initial 1000 of these unit's, and would hope for another 5000 per year thereafter.
What I need is 2 things.
1) I would like to know what Electricity expects from an investor. What do you bring to the party that we don't already have and what cost.
2) I would like to know the patent number to check that our investment into your idea is protected.
My team is ready and waiting to get started and can imeadiatley open the doors to the UK and EU market overnight.
I look forward to hearing the details.
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Electricity
- Original Poster
- #75
«…or no you are not» Seriously, I don't know who you are talking about.
«…you have avoided answering any serious questions» I do not have an indicator that determines, according to the generally accepted and standard formula for all, the seriousness or frivolity of an issue.
«…and used secrecy as the reason for not being able to provide evidence. » What is proof anyway? - one can argue - but I have a law degree with honors and I know - evidence is different and very different. This is an evaluation category and also has no templates.
«…and you seem determined to shout repeatedly but never ever listen, or answer any questions directly. »
Here are my direct answers:
1. I do not consider it normal and correct to publish information containing personal data on a publicly accessible resource.
2. even in this letter of yours you admit inaccuracy - here is a quote - «…that also seemed to fight the laws of physics. » On what basis do you conclude that the devices I'm talking about violate the laws of physics? You haven't seen detailed documentation or tested technical models. Thus your statement is unfounded. I think it's at least uncivilized. And it is this style of communication that leads to a response. Patents are not issued for inventions that violate the laws of physics, and such phrases offend, first of all, those expert specialists who have researched and approved patent applications - it turns out that the author is a priori smarter than everyone at once? I highly doubt it...
3. I'm not going to achieve anything on this forum. The purpose of my visit is to try to find people who are interested in the devices I offer. If the interest is mutual, then in personal correspondence we could discuss the issue with such a person in more detail.
4. all the products that I have are easily solved using the tools of traditional physics - however, I am not ready to answer some questions, since I have not fully explored why in practice it happens exactly the way it happens (but what is the difference between kilowatts and kilowatts per hour - it’s a shame to even discuss)! On this score, I have only assumptions - the final answer will be given by scrolling in a good laboratory with a complete package of indicators for all parameters. It is possible that there will be some negative parameter that crosses out everything else. Maybe nothing negative will be found and the essence of the reduced resistance between the stator and the rotor in the generator will be explained quite easily ...
5. I am not going to try to build a business on my own inventions, which is why I am looking for a person to whom I can transfer all devices (9 models of generators, 3 turbines, patent documentation, and so on) on mutually beneficial - here must raise the question will arise where I got all these drawings - but this is a completely separate topic for conversation - all documents are legal and in one copy.
6. no patents already obtained and the information in them will give you an exact answer on how to build the proposed devices so that they work - for this you need the samples that I have, blueprints and the last two patent applications that have not yet been filed.
7. please excuse my English
«…you have avoided answering any serious questions» I do not have an indicator that determines, according to the generally accepted and standard formula for all, the seriousness or frivolity of an issue.
«…and used secrecy as the reason for not being able to provide evidence. » What is proof anyway? - one can argue - but I have a law degree with honors and I know - evidence is different and very different. This is an evaluation category and also has no templates.
«…and you seem determined to shout repeatedly but never ever listen, or answer any questions directly. »
Here are my direct answers:
1. I do not consider it normal and correct to publish information containing personal data on a publicly accessible resource.
2. even in this letter of yours you admit inaccuracy - here is a quote - «…that also seemed to fight the laws of physics. » On what basis do you conclude that the devices I'm talking about violate the laws of physics? You haven't seen detailed documentation or tested technical models. Thus your statement is unfounded. I think it's at least uncivilized. And it is this style of communication that leads to a response. Patents are not issued for inventions that violate the laws of physics, and such phrases offend, first of all, those expert specialists who have researched and approved patent applications - it turns out that the author is a priori smarter than everyone at once? I highly doubt it...
3. I'm not going to achieve anything on this forum. The purpose of my visit is to try to find people who are interested in the devices I offer. If the interest is mutual, then in personal correspondence we could discuss the issue with such a person in more detail.
4. all the products that I have are easily solved using the tools of traditional physics - however, I am not ready to answer some questions, since I have not fully explored why in practice it happens exactly the way it happens (but what is the difference between kilowatts and kilowatts per hour - it’s a shame to even discuss)! On this score, I have only assumptions - the final answer will be given by scrolling in a good laboratory with a complete package of indicators for all parameters. It is possible that there will be some negative parameter that crosses out everything else. Maybe nothing negative will be found and the essence of the reduced resistance between the stator and the rotor in the generator will be explained quite easily ...
5. I am not going to try to build a business on my own inventions, which is why I am looking for a person to whom I can transfer all devices (9 models of generators, 3 turbines, patent documentation, and so on) on mutually beneficial - here must raise the question will arise where I got all these drawings - but this is a completely separate topic for conversation - all documents are legal and in one copy.
6. no patents already obtained and the information in them will give you an exact answer on how to build the proposed devices so that they work - for this you need the samples that I have, blueprints and the last two patent applications that have not yet been filed.
7. please excuse my English
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Electricity
- Original Poster
- #76
«…or no you are not» Seriously, I don't know who you are talking about.
«…you have avoided answering any serious questions» I do not have an indicator that determines, according to the generally accepted and standard formula for all, the seriousness or frivolity of an issue.
«…and used secrecy as the reason for not being able to provide evidence. » What is proof anyway? - one can argue - but I have a law degree with honors and I know - evidence is different and very different. This is an evaluation category and also has no templates.
«…and you seem determined to shout repeatedly but never ever listen, or answer any questions directly. »
Here are my direct answers:
1. I do not consider it normal and correct to publish information containing personal data on a publicly accessible resource.
2. even in this letter of yours you admit inaccuracy - here is a quote - «…that also seemed to fight the laws of physics. » On what basis do you conclude that the devices I'm talking about violate the laws of physics? You haven't seen detailed documentation or tested technical models. Thus your statement is unfounded. I think it's at least uncivilized. And it is this style of communication that leads to a response. Patents are not issued for inventions that violate the laws of physics, and such phrases offend, first of all, those expert specialists who have researched and approved patent applications - it turns out that the author is a priori smarter than everyone at once? I highly doubt it...
3. I'm not going to achieve anything on this forum. The purpose of my visit is to try to find people who are interested in the devices I offer. If the interest is mutual, then in personal correspondence we could discuss the issue with such a person in more detail.
4. all the products that I have are easily solved using the tools of traditional physics - however, I am not ready to answer some questions, since I have not fully explored why in practice it happens exactly the way it happens (but what is the difference between kilowatts and kilowatts per hour - it’s a shame to even discuss)! On this score, I have only assumptions - the final answer will be given by scrolling in a good laboratory with a complete package of indicators for all parameters. It is possible that there will be some negative parameter that crosses out everything else. Maybe nothing negative will be found and the essence of the reduced resistance between the stator and the rotor in the generator will be explained quite easily ...
5. I am not going to try to build a business on my own inventions, which is why I am looking for a person to whom I can transfer all devices (9 models of generators, 3 turbines, patent documentation, and so on) on mutually beneficial - here must raise the question will arise where I got all these drawings - but this is a completely separate topic for conversation - all documents are legal and in one copy.
6. no patents already obtained and the information in them will give you an exact answer on how to build the proposed devices so that they work - for this you need the samples that I have, blueprints and the last two patent applications that have not yet been filed.
7. please excuse my English
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That must be painfull....apply for patent, only to then be in a position that allows the information in that very patet to let competitors directly copy the idea.
If that were the case....what was the point of the patent?
Why would I wish to invest in your idea, if your patent were not able to stand up to being copied so easily?
I was ready.....ready to invest.....but not if it can be copied so easily.
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