STAFF, Trainee jobs Youngsters, Where have they gone !!
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A lot of boomers on this site and the attitude is telling
You can laugh and joke as much as you want online content isn't going anywhere
You have to accept people are weird ,they like discussing and arguing about arbitrary topics ( this forum is no different)
They also like gossiping , drama , fantasising and get rich quick schemes ( rags to riches of any variation )
The internet and social media allows both a window and a platform WHILST also being able to hide behind said window (a screen)
It's quite a phenomenon and although i have very little interest in personally making a mockery out of myself it's definitely opened up a lot of opportunity for business and i am more than happy to take money off people desperate to give it too me
You can laugh and joke as much as you want online content isn't going anywhere
You have to accept people are weird ,they like discussing and arguing about arbitrary topics ( this forum is no different)
They also like gossiping , drama , fantasising and get rich quick schemes ( rags to riches of any variation )
The internet and social media allows both a window and a platform WHILST also being able to hide behind said window (a screen)
It's quite a phenomenon and although i have very little interest in personally making a mockery out of myself it's definitely opened up a lot of opportunity for business and i am more than happy to take money off people desperate to give it too me
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If they fail the test how long for a new one these days?
If tests are every week then passing within so many months could be reasonable offer. If tests are every 3 months then .... not such a reasonable offer.
Back when I learnt to drive in 1989 it took me a year to pass the test. 4th time.
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I passed first time (not bragging) so I am not sure, but I think it is once a fortnight.
But in any event, this is a trainee role for 12 months. That presumably means they are going to be working along side someone for at least the next 9 months. Plenty of time you would imagine.
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A lot of wise views in this thread. Noted !
My 2Pence is that young people won't be seen driving an old car, it's got to be brand new or german so they will avoid it and not do their driving licence plus great note on the COVID lessons and young person handling a van.
I've been driving for a long time but vans take some getting used to. I couldn't handle a mwb or lwb as a daily in unfamiliar areas.
Probably more loss than gain with a young driver behind the wheel of one of those - think of those videos on YouTube where DPD van smashes into neighbours car and causally delivers the parcel like nothing happened.
I think older people is where you want to be looking. People who want to gain that skill.
Really good suggestions about about the car meets and chip shops, offline places.
If I was that age I would have been interested. I'm this age and I'm still interested lol. I think it's more about exposing that a job like this exists and is avaiable. If I had a teenager dossing around I'd throw them into that role for sure, learn some skills !
My 2Pence is that young people won't be seen driving an old car, it's got to be brand new or german so they will avoid it and not do their driving licence plus great note on the COVID lessons and young person handling a van.
I've been driving for a long time but vans take some getting used to. I couldn't handle a mwb or lwb as a daily in unfamiliar areas.
Probably more loss than gain with a young driver behind the wheel of one of those - think of those videos on YouTube where DPD van smashes into neighbours car and causally delivers the parcel like nothing happened.
I think older people is where you want to be looking. People who want to gain that skill.
Really good suggestions about about the car meets and chip shops, offline places.
If I was that age I would have been interested. I'm this age and I'm still interested lol. I think it's more about exposing that a job like this exists and is avaiable. If I had a teenager dossing around I'd throw them into that role for sure, learn some skills !
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I put a 'Countdown Board' on the wall outside my son's bedroom. It was counting the days remaining before his 18th Birthday. I had joked with him about leaving home. However, he surprised us all and is now highly regarded in Classic Car Renovations.
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I'm sure OP knows why they want the specific age range, but my view is that at such an age especially in today's 'live your best life flash the cash everyone's got money' society, young people are under pressure to make big money and I don't know if 25k sounds appealing to them.
I feel , they think they could do better or want a better status job to put on their public profiles - which is totally understandable, their take on life is different.
That's where I think you would have more interest from an older age range where people have done their dreaming and are now in real life mode looking for a secure job which could give them the skills to one day be their own boss.
Another thing is a lot of young people are in families where they are actually doing alright, parents have money or can provide, they have high end goods. They don't NEED to work. The older generation who have previously been in work, I think would appreciate a job more. I know everyones circumstances are different and that's a generalisation but I do feel money meant more to the slightly older generation, most of them HAD to work, there were no parents with £1000 to spend on phones and £1000 to spend on branded clothing from brands with names you can't even pronounce
I feel , they think they could do better or want a better status job to put on their public profiles - which is totally understandable, their take on life is different.
That's where I think you would have more interest from an older age range where people have done their dreaming and are now in real life mode looking for a secure job which could give them the skills to one day be their own boss.
Another thing is a lot of young people are in families where they are actually doing alright, parents have money or can provide, they have high end goods. They don't NEED to work. The older generation who have previously been in work, I think would appreciate a job more. I know everyones circumstances are different and that's a generalisation but I do feel money meant more to the slightly older generation, most of them HAD to work, there were no parents with £1000 to spend on phones and £1000 to spend on branded clothing from brands with names you can't even pronounce
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So what you are saying is you want an 18 yo to be a tyre delivery person until you have trained them on fitting.
You have picked the single most hard skill (having a driving licence) to find and made that the crux of the job.
If you are going to do that run an ad something like this (as a sign in your signwritten van's window at the local car cruises)
"Do you like Cars ?"
"Do you like driving ?"
Come and work for me, initially you will be delivering tyres to my fitters and between jobs I will train you up to be a qualified tyre fitter (a skill that will never die even with electric vehicles), once trained you will earn £25k and in the meantime you will get a decent wage and a discount on tyres.
Why go to university and build up a debt when you can be earning a wage and gaining a skill ?
(Sorry i can only consider those with a full UK valid driving licence but welcome applications from candidates of any age or sex)
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(Sorry i can only consider those with a full, clean, valid UK driving licence but welcome applications from candidates of any age, disability, religion or belief, sexual orientation, gender reassignment, marital status, race, sex or pregnancy status)
It might be better just to state that you can only consider those with a full, clean, valid UK driving licence!
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I did think that but the bit about "why go and get a debt at uni" might be considered aiming at youngsters only
So what about
"Sorry i can only consider those with a full, clean, valid UK driving licence but welcome applications from candidates of any background otherwise"
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Thanks for that, The driving is only between training as its only a small part of the job and may only be once or twice a day depending where vans are working etc. But your right in that it's not a dying trade in fact its getting harder with the electric cars with jacking them up and in some cases the fitting of the tyres
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It is about catching their eye - the cars and driving bit are there to make them stop and read, you can explain the details when speaking/interviewing
When i did a course with the Institute of practitioners in advertising many many moons ago as a trainee recruitment consultant i was taught an acronym
AIDA
Attention (something to grab their eye and make them read the ad)
Interest (something to make them realise the ad applied to them)
Desire (something to make them think "yes i want that")
Action (a clear "do this next to apply/buy")
I didn't put the action part on as in your case that would be your direct line or mobile with a "ring me to discuss the role and yourself"
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Made myself laugh, reminded myself of the great Alec Baldwin scene in Glengarry Glen Ross film, which by coincidence I watched on three days ago. A must for any salesman to watch.
I have many a time took inspiration from Al Pacinos dressing down of his stupid managers intervention, quoting it literally word for word to various guys I have had the misfortune to work with over the years.
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Amazing how well Al Pacino knew Spacey back then lol.
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That's "when trained", what about now?
I suspect the problem is that you specifically want an 18-20 year old because you can pay them £6.83 an hour for a couple of years.
And, frankly, Tesco will give them £10.10 at 18. Its an employees market.
We all know that we've got a productivity crisis, and a demographic crisis, and the problem isn't that young people are lazy or aren't hard working, or want to become TikTokers as somebody else eluded to above. Its that there aren't enough of them, and lots of people are fighting over them.
Meanwhile I bet there are countless number of 50 year olds who would snap your hand off at the opportunity to retrain and then give you 16 years of loyalty in gratitude up to state pension age, but you'd turn them away because you'd have to pay them £9.50.
I know of a large construction company that is starting 18 year olds on £20k a year for 2 or 4 year apprenticeships, coming out at the end on £30k+
So they are going where the money is, and it isn't with you right now. I've just calculated the starting salary for my first full-time job as an 18 year old in 2003 by the way (in the provinces), and I earned £6.41 (as in, literally that, not inflation adusted).
Meanwhile the cost to insure my first car was £600, would be triple that now for an 18 year old. The average cost of a pint of beer was £2.15.
Plenty of people would be prepared to take your opportunity, but you are choosing to chase the same few percent of the population as thousands of other businesses who also want to benefit from their lower minimum wage rate, including pretty much every major retailer you can think of.
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No, he's struggling for applications because he specially wants 18-20 year olds for their £6.83 minimum wage rate.
If he were prepared to pay more, and subsequently invite applications from 21-67 year olds, he'd have a nice big stack of CVs to wade through.
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Oh right, why did youth unemployment hit records lows in 2022 then, substantially lower than at any point of the Brown-Blair government.
Or did you just fancy making it up to bash young people?
I swear that some people just bash young people out of jealousy and bitterness as they get older and are more conscious of their own mortality.
Its not like Bob Dylan didn't sing about this in 1964 is it...
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'
Literally every generation seems to do this when they age. And yet they don't ever stop to think "yeah our elders bashed us too, so I won't do that".
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Is it because, just like all the other ‘official’ employment figures, they are manipulated, warped and bent out of shape by jobs of 7 hours per week, ‘carers’ jobs, zero hours jobs, non-jobs, influencer jobs, Bob-a-jobs, part time jobs, jobs which get subsidised, and basically, a whole great pile of Arse?
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As I said, I was earning £6.41 as an 18 year old in a basic admin job in 2003 with no experience, a good 120 miles away from London. That was 20 years ago. Adjusted for inflation that is £10.73 an hour.
If the OP was offering £10.73 an hour he wouldn't have to limit himself to 18-20 year olds and would tap into the thousands of men aged 45+ needing a career change.
Nobody with a valid full driving license needs to take £6.83 an hour in 2023 on the promise that they'll earn slightly more than a customer service agent in a call centre a couple of years down the line.
I just googled "Trainee Tyre Fitter Jobs" and Kwik Fit are starting people with no experience on £23k in the North of England. That's what the OP is offering to pay once fully trained.
The OP will need to increase the starting pay and widen his net to not exclude 97% of the population based on age.
You clearly have a very low opinion of young people, but surely you don't think they are stupid enough to accept substantially under the market rate to work, why would you expect anything other than to be left with CVs from the dregs and unemployable.
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Young people have always been lefties or liberal and it has always been the case that people become more conservative as they get old.
That's nothing new.
ps. If this is the state that the country gets in when the right wing win all the elections for more than a decade, then bring on the lefties, can't come soon enough. I live in Harrogate. Not many people owning up to being Tories these days, they are finished.
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. . . as the UK Economy shifts from being reliant upon House Price Inflation, towards Fees, Fines and Penalties!
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You have my deepest sympathy!
I went into Betty's Tea Shop when I was just a mere callow youth of 50 (some time ago now!) and saw that I was the youngest person in the place by at least 15 years - and yes, I am including the waitresses!
I swear, just being in Harrowgate puts 20 years on one! It's not a town. It's some sort of open-air care facility!
As for going right-wing as one gets older - the older I get, the more left-wing I get. Young people today are far too serious and worry about their careers and some of the poor dears even start saving for their pensions! Heavens to Betsy! That's giving up before you've even won the race!
Have some fun! Live life to the full! See the world! Get out there and rock!
All you have on this planet is time. They don't give you any money coming in and you sure as F don't get any when you leave - so stop fretting over money! Money is not real money anyway - it's all just silly tokens. Fugazi. Pixie dust. Numbers in a ledger. A silly and pointless human invention to enslave the feeble-minded.
And to get back to the original subject - who the F wants to be a tyre fitter anyway? What a waste of precious time, when a young man should be out there raising hell and having a good time!
Anyway, being a tyre fitter will not help you pull the ladies. They want autonomy in a man. They want to hitch their wagon to someone who is going to carve out his own fate and follow his dreams. They sure as hell do not want to get lumbered with a tyre fitter.
After the military, I bummed around the world and ended up for nine months running a kibbutz chicken farm in Israel - just me and half a million chicken and some young volunteers that came there for a couple of months. Some of the young girls who volunteered from all over the world were away from home for the first time and needed comforting.
I took it upon myself to comfort as many as I could - so much so that some weeks I was even excused clothing. Nine months very well spent!
We live in hope - but so many youngsters I get to meet (and in my business, I get to meet a hell of a lot) seem to have been born at the age of 40. They write serious essays about the future of the country and run about, doing good deeds for the elderly and worrying about the planet.
When I was young, I was a dreamer. And step by step, I made all my dreams come true. But we can only fulfill our dreams if we have a dream to begin with.
It's time for the young to throw that stupid iPhone away and forget FaceOff and My-Face and TicFace and InstaFace and do something sensible like learning to live and learning to dream. You only get to be young once and you will only ever regret all the things you didn't do!
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“Have some fun! Live life to the full! See the world! Get out there and rock!
All you have on this planet is time.”
I was trying not to laugh at my youngest daughter this morning, who came home drunk last night from a night out. She apologised for disturbing everyone at 1am, interrupting the film I was watching, annoying the cat with her hugs and kisses etc etc. She was particularly worried at my potential reaction, knowing how much I admire her hard work ethic.
I pointed out at her age, I was doing so much worse, most weeks I rarely returned home from a night out, and literally every night was spent going out. She finds it near impossible to believe most of my reminiscences, even when my wife confirms their complete truth. Ashamed to say, I would be classed a naughty lad by todays standards, to the extent my mother even asked if I had left home without telling her.
Youth is truly wasted on the young, every generation thinks their parents etc never lived, and although I agree enjoy and live your life, nothing wrong in the suggested work. The hard part is finding the right person.
My local tyre company has the same guys working there after 20 years, so it can’t be as bad as many might think. The seem a great group, love their work and have a great laugh, so in my eyes are doing better than 99% of people.
All you have on this planet is time.”
I was trying not to laugh at my youngest daughter this morning, who came home drunk last night from a night out. She apologised for disturbing everyone at 1am, interrupting the film I was watching, annoying the cat with her hugs and kisses etc etc. She was particularly worried at my potential reaction, knowing how much I admire her hard work ethic.
I pointed out at her age, I was doing so much worse, most weeks I rarely returned home from a night out, and literally every night was spent going out. She finds it near impossible to believe most of my reminiscences, even when my wife confirms their complete truth. Ashamed to say, I would be classed a naughty lad by todays standards, to the extent my mother even asked if I had left home without telling her.
Youth is truly wasted on the young, every generation thinks their parents etc never lived, and although I agree enjoy and live your life, nothing wrong in the suggested work. The hard part is finding the right person.
My local tyre company has the same guys working there after 20 years, so it can’t be as bad as many might think. The seem a great group, love their work and have a great laugh, so in my eyes are doing better than 99% of people.
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Loads of all generations end up doing work they wish they did not. Having a dream and realising it are great, but for every success story there are thousands of failures.
How many bands have become bigger than the Beatles, the Rolling Stones?
How many action film stars have succeeded like Stallone?
How many artists earn as much as Hurst?
Most musicians are in an average band playing for pints, some of the better ones make a living etc. The same can be said in any career.
At least those Rita type husbands can buy a home and run a car, most of the dreamers cannot.
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My daugher called me from Uni
Telling me about the great times, loving it, drama, in loads of clubs and societies out at least three four times a week, having a ball - you got the picture
I said, how is the course side going, are you working hard at it to get your degree. Yes, dad, going really well she says. But oh good grief she says, do you know they scheduled one of my tutorials for 9.00am to 10.00 on the Friday. Well I’m not doing that she says, I mean seriously, 9.00. It means I have to be up at 8 do my hair, make up, get ready and it’s 10 min walk from the halls, well they can stuff that she says. Anyhow I can watch a video of the session so I’m doing it that way!
I said, you poor thing, must be awful
the audacity of it. And we wonder why they are not being prepared for working life, says it all
Telling me about the great times, loving it, drama, in loads of clubs and societies out at least three four times a week, having a ball - you got the picture
I said, how is the course side going, are you working hard at it to get your degree. Yes, dad, going really well she says. But oh good grief she says, do you know they scheduled one of my tutorials for 9.00am to 10.00 on the Friday. Well I’m not doing that she says, I mean seriously, 9.00. It means I have to be up at 8 do my hair, make up, get ready and it’s 10 min walk from the halls, well they can stuff that she says. Anyhow I can watch a video of the session so I’m doing it that way!
I said, you poor thing, must be awful
the audacity of it. And we wonder why they are not being prepared for working life, says it all
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No. For every success story, there are thousands of people who just dreamed but did little to fulfill that dream. @Porky's daughter seems to be a case in point!
Yes, they go to RADA and then do auditions. Yes, they are in a band and they do gigs on the weekend. Yes, they go to film school and make the obligatory short film, followed by band videos and maybe some other corporate work.
But then they sort of drift off and start doing other things that earn money. They have kids, they get tied down in relationships that don't work. They start to have a different career that leaves them cold and unfulfilled. They become something dreadful like marketing manager for inkjet inks for SE England or manager of a supermarket.
In other words, they fall into doing something that is less strenuous and a good deal easier. Like @Porky's daughter, they stay in bed and watch the video.
By all means, be a dreamer - but remember that it will take you at least ten years to get to any kind of first step in achieving that dream.
"It took us twelve years to become an overnight success!" one rock guitarist told me. "And that was twelve years of doing five gigs a week and sleeping in the back of a Transit van! At least now I don't 'ave to smell his feet anymore!" he said, pointing at the drummer.
The trick is to take daily steps that bring you closer and closer to your first step along the road to fulfilling that dream. Being a true dreamer is damn hard work and you have to work on your dream every day.
Or as Warren Buffett put it "I don't look for seven-foot hurdles to jump over, but one-foot bars I can step over."
Except that the house belongs to the mortgage company, the car belongs to the leasing company and Rita and her husband are both miserable.
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I recall as a youngster telling my pals father that I really, really wanted to own a Ferrari. "Go and buy yourself a Ferrari badged keyring", he said. "Then buy a Ferrari gear knob. Just keep going until you own the Ferrari."
Sound advice - but f*** knows how I'm going to get rid of this box of old Ferrari bits.
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